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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 16 2009,06:45) Hi CO,
Thank you for the limited scientific viewpoint.Who are you quoting?
Lk16 suggests sensation is not just a bodily thing.
NH.
Strange you could not recognise this as a scriptual viewpoint, which it is. Search the word of God, not just your own opinion.Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 16 2009,05:01) Cindy,May wrote:(((The new body is imperishable)))
That's right Nick, but it is still flesh; only the group that comes up in the first resurrection will be spirit. They are the once Jesus was referring too.
Georg
Souls do not need a physical world.
NickWhat do you think a soul is?
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Georg
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 16 2009,06:50) Hi CO,
There are souls under the altar in Revelation.
Are the bodies?Flesh cannot inherit the kingdom.
Who will rid us of this body of flesh?
NickThe dead souls under the altar are all the saints that would give their life for a testimony of their faith. John was shown the future, not only that, but he was told there would be two persecution.
Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
These saints (souls) would be killed by the Romans.
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
The waiting for the other saints to be killed, began in 313 AD when Constantine stopped all persecution.
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
The white robes they were given is the righteousness of Jesus Christ, without it they would be naked.
The other persecution began in 565 AD by Antichrist.
The “souls” that John was given to see were not alive or conscious, it was only to his benefit, and assurance; because all the saints had not even been martyred yet.
It would be at their resurrection from the dead, that they would receive their new body, spirit body.Georg
Georg……..Man (became) a living SOUL, after the combination of Flesh and Spirit. It does not say anything else was added to the mix. Now we know Spirit can not die, but flesh and blood can die, so when a man dies the spirit goes back to its source, but the flesh goes to corruption and by back to the dust from which it came. Now with that understanding lets add some understanding to it , One Jesus told the disciples that even the every hairs on their head was numbered, that interesting in itself, Why would there be a need to number their Hairs, if it was not for a future event, of reconstruction of some kind.
I believe GOD has a body prepared for us that is exactly the resemblance of our present bodies but maybe in a more glorified state. Jesus said after the resurrection he was Flesh and (BONE) he did not say BLOOD, and he ascended up into heaven with it. Perhaps our new bodies will be like that. Don't really know but it is interesting that their is some kind of recording of our physical body going on. IMO
peace and love to you and Irene………………gene
Gene
There is no mentioning of mixing soul and spirit; the breath of God gave man life, nothing more.
The only spirit that goes back to God, is the spirit that God gave man, his Holy Spirit; that is the Spirit Adam rejected by eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
A glorified body is not flesh. Jesus took on human (flesh) form, and eat with them, to show his disciples it was really him, because they never recognized him by sight, why? because his former human body was the ransom, the exchange that freed Adam from the grave and all of us.
A ransom means, you give something for something. Jesus changed places with Adam in the grave, Adam was freed, Jesus flesh (human) body had to remain. When Jesus was resurrected, he was given back his true nature, spirit body, his flesh body had to remain in the grave. As prophesied, God would not allow “his holy one to see corruption”, God disposed of the body, it had taken on all of our sins and was no longer needed.
Yes, all of us who will not be in the first resurrection will have a new body, Job believed that too.Job 33:24 Then he is gracious unto him, and saith, Deliver him from going down to the pit: I have found a ransom.
Job 33:25 His flesh shall be fresher than a child's: he shall return to the days of his youth:Georg
Ps, as expected, Nick as usual conked out.
Quote (Cindy @ April 22 2009,03:10) Quote (chosenone @ April 21 2009,17:14) 1Cor.15:21-28 …21 For since, in fact, through a man came death, through a Man, also, comes the resurrection of the dead.
22 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified.
23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence;
24 thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power.
25 For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy is being abolished: death.
27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him.
28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.)Notice in verse 24, speaking of the “consummation”, this goes far past the book of revelation. It speaks of the “completeness' of Gods creation. When God will be “All in all”.
Will all mankind be saved? Absolutely!
Blessings.
God will be all in all of those that have obeyed and listened to the prophet, Jesus.Act 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Mal 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.God's desire is to save all mankind, but not all will obey.
Georg
Hi Georg.
You say “God will be all in all of those that have obeyed and listened to the prophet, Jesus.”Scripture says “God will be All in all”. You have added the rest, which is of course, Non-scripurel!
You also say “God's desire is to save all mankind, but not all will obey”
Scripture says: Isaiah46:10 …All my councel shall be confirmed,
And all My desire will I do.
(God describing His workings), who can deny?Blessings.
chosenone
What do these scriptures tell you?
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.Georg
Georg
They don't say God can not do what He desires! “All mankind will be saved” God will be “ALL in all”. (1Cor.15)
Blessings.
chosenone
You are making God a liar. These scriptures tell us what “will” happen in the end, not what you would like to happen.
Georg
Georg.
Is quoting scripture making God a liar? This message by the apostle Paul takes us far beyond the book of 'Revelation', It refers to the “Consummation”, the completion of His creation. “THE END”1Cor.15:21-28 … For since, in fact, through a man came death, through a Man, also, comes the resurrection of the dead.
22 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified.
23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence;
24 thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power.
25 For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy is being abolished: death.
27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him.
28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.)Notice this is about the “consummation”, the completion of Gods' creation. The conclusion states that God will be “All in all”.
Can you deny scripture?Blessings.
Chosenone………you have said it correctly brother, if only those here who preach and teach fear could understand it. But that takes the Spirit of Truth and many do not have it. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………..gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 04 2009,18:32) Hi CO,
If you among those left at that time you too will be saved.
NH.
Explain what you mean?Hi CO,
At the time of the end after the judgement and the casting of the rebellious residue of mankind into the lake of fire God will be in all. May you be there too.Quote (chosenone @ June 04 2009,17:32) Georg.
Is quoting scripture making God a liar? This message by the apostle Paul takes us far beyond the book of 'Revelation', It refers to the “Consummation”, the completion of His creation. “THE END”1Cor.15:21-28 … For since, in fact, through a man came death, through a Man, also, comes the resurrection of the dead.
22 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified.
23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence;
24 thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power.
25 For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy is being abolished: death.
27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him.
28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.)Notice this is about the “consummation”, the completion of Gods' creation. The conclusion states that God will be “All in all”.
Can you deny scripture?Blessings.
chosenoneYou can quote me the whole bible, that would still not explain what you make out of Rev. 20:9, or are you trying to ignore it?
Georg
Georg.
Rev.20:9-10 …9 And they went up over the breadth of the earth, and surround the citadel of the saints and the beloved city. And fire descended from God out of heaven and devoured them.
10 And the Adversary who is deceiving them was cast into the lake of fire and sulphur, where the wild beast and where the false prophet are also. And they shall be tormented day and night for the eons of the eons.Notice “And they shall be tormented day and night for the eons of the eons”. an “eon”, is a period of time, never
everlasting or eternal.God will be “All in all”, at the consummation.
Blessings.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2009,08:35) Hi CO,
At the time of the end after the judgement and the casting of the rebellious residue of mankind into the lake of fire God will be in all. May you be there too.
NH.
The “lake of fire” is the “second death”. At the “consummation”, death is abolished, all will live. God will have 'opened their eyes' to the truth. And God will be “All in all”.Chosenone……….> you have stated it correctly. Look i see we both wear the same color tile, a (NICK) tile, pun intended
Peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene
Quote (chosenone @ June 05 2009,17:00) Georg.
Rev.20:9-10 …9 And they went up over the breadth of the earth, and surround the citadel of the saints and the beloved city. And fire descended from God out of heaven and devoured them.
10 And the Adversary who is deceiving them was cast into the lake of fire and sulphur, where the wild beast and where the false prophet are also. And they shall be tormented day and night for the eons of the eons.Notice “And they shall be tormented day and night for the eons of the eons”. an “eon”, is a period of time, never
everlasting or eternal.God will be “All in all”, at the consummation.
Blessings.
chosenoneLet me see how you spinn these scriptures.
Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.That day is Rev. 20:9.
Georg
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