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NIck……….Good advice , make sure you don't offer any of your poison to the lambs either brother.
peace and love to you and yours………….gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 27 2009,12:55) Hi Georg,
Your speculations are not helpful.
Just show us what is written and find witnessing verses.
NickYou know if your name is not in the book of life you end up in the lake of fire, so I am asking you again;
“how do all those people coming up in the second resurrection, never heard the name Jesus, get their name into the book of life?”
You also know their is no other name by which they can be saved.
Is that question to complicated?Georg
1Cor.15:22
22 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified.1Ti.4:9-11
9 Faithful is the saying and worthy of all welcome
10 (for for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind,
11 especially of believers. These things be charging and teaching.Eph.2:8-10
8 For in grace, through faith, are you saved, and this is not out of you; it is God's approach present,
9 not of works, lest anyone should be boasting.
10 For His achievement are we, being created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God makes ready beforehand, that we should be walking in them.Ro.14:11
11 for it is written: Living am I, the Lord is saying, For to Me shall bow every knee, And every tongue shall be acclaiming God!Isaiah 46:10
Saying, All My councel shall be confirmed,
And all My desire will I do.Is Gods Own Words not sufficient?
Blessings.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 27 2009,18:52) Hi GM,
If God grants them mercy they are found as sheep of the flock.
In other words, you're saying God is a respecter of person.Georg
Quote (Cindy @ April 27 2009,07:47) “how do all those people coming up in the second resurrection, never heard the name Jesus, get their name into the book of life?”
Hi GeorgeWe can only speculate how people, who have not heard
about our Lord Jesus Christ, will be saved.As you know we will be judged by our works and if our Lord
judges you in a positive light He will ask you, “Do you accept
Jesus Christ as your King.” The humbled will answer in the
affirmative, the arrogant will not answer or give a negative answer.The Lords coming and our future Kingdom can be shown
in many ways.lineon.
Those who are chosen in the 'church', the “Body of Christ”, will not be judged. They will be 'snatched away' …”For this we are saying to you by the word of the Lord, that we, the living, who are surviving to the presence of the Lord, should by no means outstrip those who are put to repose,
16 for the Lord Himself will be descending from heaven with a shout of command, with the voice of the Chief Messenger, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ shall be rising first,
17 Thereupon we, the living who are surviving, shall at the same time be snatched away together with them in clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. And thus shall we always be together with the Lord.
18 So that, console one another with these words”. (1Thes.4:15-18)Blessings.
Quote (chosenone @ May 04 2009,17:27) lineon.
Those who are chosen in the 'church', the “Body of Christ”, will not be judged. They will be 'snatched away' …”For this we are saying to you by the word of the Lord, that we, the living, who are surviving to the presence of the Lord, should by no means outstrip those who are put to repose,
16 for the Lord Himself will be descending from heaven with a shout of command, with the voice of the Chief Messenger, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ shall be rising first,
17 Thereupon we, the living who are surviving, shall at the same time be snatched away together with them in clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. And thus shall we always be together with the Lord.
18 So that, console one another with these words”. (1Thes.4:15-18)Blessings.
CO,
First I want to ask you which translation you used? Second, all the Church saints are in heaven already. Saints today are not part of the Church.thinker
Hi TT,
Saints are the ones made holy by the indwelling Holy Spirit .
The promise of that Spirit remains [acts 2.38-40]and some of servants yet walk the earth.Quote (thethinker @ May 04 2009,17:56) Quote (chosenone @ May 04 2009,17:27) lineon.
Those who are chosen in the 'church', the “Body of Christ”, will not be judged. They will be 'snatched away' …”For this we are saying to you by the word of the Lord, that we, the living, who are surviving to the presence of the Lord, should by no means outstrip those who are put to repose,
16 for the Lord Himself will be descending from heaven with a shout of command, with the voice of the Chief Messenger, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ shall be rising first,
17 Thereupon we, the living who are surviving, shall at the same time be snatched away together with them in clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. And thus shall we always be together with the Lord.
18 So that, console one another with these words”. (1Thes.4:15-18)Blessings.
Lineon,
First I want to ask you which translation you used? Second, all the Church saints are in heaven already. Saints today are not part of the Church.thinker
Hi ThinkerI think you meant “chosenone.”
Quote (thethinker @ May 05 2009,03:56) Quote (chosenone @ May 04 2009,17:27) lineon.
Those who are chosen in the 'church', the “Body of Christ”, will not be judged. They will be 'snatched away' …”For this we are saying to you by the word of the Lord, that we, the living, who are surviving to the presence of the Lord, should by no means outstrip those who are put to repose,
16 for the Lord Himself will be descending from heaven with a shout of command, with the voice of the Chief Messenger, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ shall be rising first,
17 Thereupon we, the living who are surviving, shall at the same time be snatched away together with them in clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. And thus shall we always be together with the Lord.
18 So that, console one another with these words”. (1Thes.4:15-18)Blessings.
CO,
First I want to ask you which translation you used? Second, all the Church saints are in heaven already. Saints today are not part of the Church.thinker
Hi TT,
Saints are not part of the church???.
They are of ours so which is your odd church?Quote (thethinker @ May 05 2009,03:56) Quote (chosenone @ May 04 2009,17:27) lineon.
Those who are chosen in the 'church', the “Body of Christ”, will not be judged. They will be 'snatched away' …”For this we are saying to you by the word of the Lord, that we, the living, who are surviving to the presence of the Lord, should by no means outstrip those who are put to repose,
16 for the Lord Himself will be descending from heaven with a shout of command, with the voice of the Chief Messenger, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ shall be rising first,
17 Thereupon we, the living who are surviving, shall at the same time be snatched away together with them in clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. And thus shall we always be together with the Lord.
18 So that, console one another with these words”. (1Thes.4:15-18)Blessings.
CO,
First I want to ask you which translation you used? Second, all the Church saints are in heaven already. Saints today are not part of the Church.thinker
Hi tt, I use the “Concordant Version ” of scripture, it is the most accurate translation, most versions are rather 'interpetations' and not really translations.
Also the church, 'ecclesia' are those that are of the “body of Christ”, and have not yet met the Lord in the air. (1Thess.4:15-18)Blessings.
AS GOD is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of those who believe (1 Tim.4:10), we may confidently rest on one grand and glorious foundation truth–that all salvation is of God, and neither believer nor unbeliever has any part in it. On the one hand this assures us of the possibility of saving all men, for God alone is able, and, on the other, it bars out all human schemes for their restoration, whether by works, or suffering, by giving them a second chance, or by any cause whatever which originates in man. Those who believe are saved by His grace (Rom.4:16); those who do not believe are saved through His judgments, but in both it is He alone Who is Saviour.
Faith is but the channel of grace; it does not produce salvation. Judgment is but a means He uses, a process which leads to the opening of the unbeliever’s eyes. It does not remove his guilt or cleanse a single sin. That is done wholly and solely by the blood of Christ. Every effort to bring about the ultimate salvation of all through the purgatorial or penitential sufferings of the sinner is a denial of this great truth. Judgments do not save, but the God Who judges is also the Saviour, and all His dealings with mankind are governed by the grand goal which He has set before Him–to become All in all His creatures.
In setting forth the process by means of which God brings the unbeliever back to Himself we must remember that few believers are able to analyze the method used in their own salvation. Now, if we are not able to explain our own experience, how shall we understand His method with others? Yet, strange as it may seem, God’s dealings with the unbeliever are much more easily apprehended than His way with us. The very simplicity of faith baffles us. Most theological systems seek to base belief on evidence, and speak of “Christian evidences” as the foundation of the believer’s salvation. This is, rather, the method He uses in the deliverance of the unbeliever.Partial copy of “The Salvation of ALL Mankind”.
Blessings.
Quote (chosenone @ May 06 2009,17:06) AS GOD is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of those who believe (1 Tim.4:10), Those who believe are saved by His grace (Rom.4:16); those who do not believe are saved through His judgments, but in both it is He alone Who is Saviour.
Faith is but the channel of grace; it does not produce salvation.
Judgments do not save, but the God Who judges is also the Saviour,
and all His dealings with mankind are governed by the grand goal which He has set before Him–to become All in all His creatures.
God’s dealings with the unbeliever are much more easily apprehended than His way with us.
Partial copy of “The Salvation of ALL Mankind”.Blessings.
If God saves all mankind, how does he especially save those who believe?Those who believe, believe in what? saved through what judgment?
If faith does not save, what does?
We are saved by the grace of God, but it is through our faith.God judges no one, he has given all judgment to his Son.
Our sins have separated us from God, not until all sin, and evil are removed, will God be all in all; after the millennium, and after Satan has been cast into the lake of fire.
God does not deal with any unbeliever, his son does; after the millennium, there are no more unbelievers.
Irene……….you know some few are saved now, but later all will, YET as BY FIRE (intense judgments). God is not willing that any parish and He does all thing after the council of his own (WILL). SO if God is not willing any parish why should we be ? The problem is in the symbolic language used throughout scripture. Remember where it save (EVERY MANS WORK SHALL BE TRIED) and if He has build with silver and gold, etc, he shall recieve a reward, but if he has built with straw, hay of stubble, He shall suffer Loss , (BUT) he himself shall be save (YET AS BY FIRE) intense Judgments of GOD. I know Nick like to make this only about the elect, but scripture say every man shall give and account of what he has done in the flesh. So i disagree with his narrow view here. IMO
love and peace to you and yours…………………….gene
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