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Quote (martian @ Aug. 24 2010,04:51) Quote (Baker @ Aug. 23 2010,12:14) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 20 2010,15:29) Irene, You are perhaps answering the question posed by this thread when you state your belief that Jesus gave up much when he choose to become a human being.
What did he give up?
He is presently King of everything on earth and in heaven and from what you seem to imply has always been. He showed quite a bit of authority even as a human being. It is my understanding that you also believe that he shape changed from am immaterial being to a human being was resurrected as a human being and then shape changed back into an immaterial being. In short I nothing he surrendered.
I am wondering if you tested your beliefs as instructed to do by God.
kerwin! He had a glory with His Father, He was a Spirit Being. The reason I can say that is because in John 17:5 He said:” And now O Father glorify Me together with Yourself with the glory I had before the world was. To that glory He went back to. He came down from Heaven to do the will of Him who send Him.
John 6:38 “For I have come down from Heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who send Me.
I know that you don't believe that John 1:1 The Word of God is who became Jesus, however when you read in Rev. 19:13 it says this
“He was clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.”
verse 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen white and clean, followed Him on white horsed.
verse 15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the wine press of the fierceness and the wrath of Almighty God.
verse 16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:” KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. Is there anyone else that fits that description? I do not think so…..You know it is so amazing with all this Scriptures that shows us that Christ was before all. The firstborn of all creation Col. 1:15 and through Him all was created verse 16 and John 1:3 and in John 1:14 He became flesh and was called Jesus as a Human being. He went back and will come again as The Words of God and KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. kerwin, is it really that hard to grasp all of that? Or is it someones pride that just does not let one acknowledge that it is the truth, listed in Scriptures….. I do know how hard it was for me, to say I was wrong, and the person that told us, was right. But I did, and it was not easy…..but you know God helped us with all of it…..and it has nothing to do with the trinity or that Jesus had to be just like us….He was just like us that He was a Human being and hurt like us and was very scared when He was in the Garden, of I forgot the name of that Garden, where He went and prayed to God to let that cup pass Him by…. We should all be so thankful that He gave up His glory to die for us, and now He will never die, immortality was His reward…..
Peace to you Irene
Irene,
You have still not defined Spirit Being. How about just defining spirit.
Oh, yes I did. I gave you the example of Nicodemus, where the wind blows….John 1:8 .And what is our Heavenly Father like. The Word of God, is the image of the invisible God it says in Col. 1:15.
IreneIrene,
I agree that God knows all things and knows exactly what will happen in the future and has known such before he even created anything. With this knowledge he chose Jesus to be King of everything on Earth and in heaven before he even created either heaven of earth. In this way Yahweh glorified Jesus in God’s presence even before Jesus’ existed much like the President of the U.S. glorifies a Medal of Honor winner who is no longer present in this world. Jesus did ascend to heaven and take the place that God had prepared for him before the creation of the world and so received the glory God had waiting for him so long.
I realize you choose to disagree with my last two points though I am sure you agree with the rest as that is the nature of God.
I also agree that the true prophets of old come from Heaven for God sent them and if they did not come from heaven then they would be false prophets as they would not have been sent by God. As James 1:17 states every good and perfect gift is from above and the words of true prophets are good and perfect gifts from God.
The Jews of Jesus’ time were fond of mysticisms and so we find their speech vague or obscure. Jesus did this enough that his student-adherents and even he, himself were known to comment it, John 16:25. Be careful not to be distracted by the unspiritual meaning of words when Jesus was using the meaning according to God’s spirit.
I went the other way as I was always told and saw no reason to doubt that Jesus preexisted his conception until I took the other side in an argument and actually saw how the idea that Jesus was conceived in Mary’s reproductive system contradicted with the idea that he preexisted. It took me longer to understand how the belief in pre-existence in actually damaging to the faith of believers. It was when I was reading Hebrews that I came to realize that it is necessary to believe Jesus is a human being just like you and me but one who chose not to sin because his faith in God was and is complete . God rewarded Jesus’ faith by giving him the spirit of righteousness to live by, Isaiah 42:1.
Jesus was resurrected from the dead because death for him was an abomination in the eyes of God. God declared that the wages of sin is death and so only those who sin deserve death yet Jesus died. That should not be and so the Spirit of God transformed, i.e. recreated, Jesus’ body in a moment and he thus became immortal so death could not hold him nor could he be harmed anymore, Romans 1:3-4.
His death condemned the world which so unjustly put him too death but his choice to die created a pathway of escape for those who followed him and so obey all his teachings. It created a pathway because it is by his death and resurrection that we to can receive the spirit of righteousness by which he lived and overcame the world. It is through faith in Him and in God that we live by that Spirit and so overcome the world just as he said we will,, 1 John 5:4-5, John 16:33.
ED j………..That i do not know, in what (WAY) GOD Foreknew US, Was i it by the fact he created man to become son of His in the first place , or was it the he knew each one of Us individually, don't Know, but and (assumption) CAN BE MADE FOR BOTH CASES. For example lets say i wanted to start a fish farm so i planned it our did all the work in preparing it and put a couple of fish in it with the expectation of thousands of them in the further , then when that happened it could be said i foreknew it. follow what i am saying. So i am not totally convinced that scripture is say God foreknew (each) and everyone of us (individually) or (collectively), Just not sure would like more proof and explanation. You could be right just do not know at this time. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 23 2010,10:21) Terricca…………So what if your parents conceived you in Sin (LUST FOR SEX) that still does not Mean YOU were (Born) a SINNER. A Child is not a Sinner He or She is totally innocent of Sin. And except you become as a little Child you in no ways will enter the Kingdom of GOD, YOURSELF, does that reflect to you that the Child is a sinner. Terricca, your trying so hard to disprove me it is blinding you from the truth IMO.
peace and love……………..gene
To all, (concerning sin, and life)Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Hope promised before the ages is why Christ pre-exists:
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
The Professor
Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 25 2010,09:05) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 23 2010,10:21) Terricca…………So what if your parents conceived you in Sin (LUST FOR SEX) that still does not Mean YOU were (Born) a SINNER. A Child is not a Sinner He or She is totally innocent of Sin. And except you become as a little Child you in no ways will enter the Kingdom of GOD, YOURSELF, does that reflect to you that the Child is a sinner. Terricca, your trying so hard to disprove me it is blinding you from the truth IMO.
peace and love……………..gene
To all, (concerning sin, and life)Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Hope promised before the ages is why Christ pre-exists:
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
The Professor
hi Davidbfungene ,does not have those verses in his bible,
predetermination blind people where there is responsibility and guilt for what they do.
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2010,16:26) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 25 2010,09:05) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 23 2010,10:21) Terricca…………So what if your parents conceived you in Sin (LUST FOR SEX) that still does not Mean YOU were (Born) a SINNER. A Child is not a Sinner He or She is totally innocent of Sin. And except you become as a little Child you in no ways will enter the Kingdom of GOD, YOURSELF, does that reflect to you that the Child is a sinner. Terricca, your trying so hard to disprove me it is blinding you from the truth IMO.
peace and love……………..gene
To all, (concerning sin, and life)Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Hope promised before the ages is why Christ pre-exists:
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
The Professor
hi Davidbfungene ,does not have those verses in his bible,
predetermination blind people where there is responsibility and guilt for what they do.
Pierre
Pierre,I had a little “problem” with the following verse:
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Who is included in the ALL? Jesus?
The Bible says that he was made “sin” for us; and that he took on our sins, etc, which would mean that even though Christ may not have sinned on his part, he took on sin and had sins “in him”….and could be technically called a “sinner”.
Could be why he didn't have the same “glory” here on earth he had when he was with his Father before….but, he will have again.
And God will be faithful and just to forgive all sin…and make us perfect thru Christ.
1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
2 Cor 5:21 He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
This foreordained plan of Salvation was scripted in the OT of which Christ was sent from Heaven to fulfill.
The Professor
1Cr 2:10 [fn] For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God.
Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 25 2010,16:17) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2010,16:26) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 25 2010,09:05) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 23 2010,10:21) Terricca…………So what if your parents conceived you in Sin (LUST FOR SEX) that still does not Mean YOU were (Born) a SINNER. A Child is not a Sinner He or She is totally innocent of Sin. And except you become as a little Child you in no ways will enter the Kingdom of GOD, YOURSELF, does that reflect to you that the Child is a sinner. Terricca, your trying so hard to disprove me it is blinding you from the truth IMO.
peace and love……………..gene
To all, (concerning sin, and life)Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Hope promised before the ages is why Christ pre-exists:
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
The Professor
hi Davidbfungene ,does not have those verses in his bible,
predetermination blind people where there is responsibility and guilt for what they do.
Pierre
Pierre,I had a little “problem” with the following verse:
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Who is included in the ALL? Jesus?
The Bible says that he was made “sin” for us; and that he took on our sins, etc, which would mean that even though Christ may not have sinned on his part, he took on sin and had sins “in him”….and could be technically called a “sinner”.
Could be why he didn't have the same “glory” here on earth he had when he was with his Father before….but, he will have again.
And God will be faithful and just to forgive all sin…and make us perfect thru Christ.
1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
2 Cor 5:21 He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
This foreordained plan of Salvation was scripted in the OT of which Christ was sent from Heaven to fulfill.
The Professor
1Cr 2:10 [fn] For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God.
DBFread this verses;Mt 20:25 Jesus called them together and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them.
Mt 20:26 Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant,
Mt 20:27 and whoever wants to be first must be your slave—
Mt 20:28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”do you see the last sentence?Christ is the one who serves all creation.
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
this verse and 'ALL” means all human creation some knew and some did not.Christ could not be included because he is from above.
Sin= going away of God will,even not seeking God is sin.
(at no point did Christ wen away from Gods will)Christ ad no sins,but he got the sinner treatment that is what Paul means,because from the point of view of men he was a sinner and for some he still is one.
The Bible says that he was made “sin” for us;
he was innocent of all they accused him of,so HE WAS MADE SIN.
the return payment from God to Christ was the live of every men ,but for men to benefit of it, men has to accept him as is ransom for is sins , otherwise you are without bail.and stay in prison,so to speak.Pierre
Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 25 2010,09:17) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2010,16:26) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 25 2010,09:05) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 23 2010,10:21) Terricca…………So what if your parents conceived you in Sin (LUST FOR SEX) that still does not Mean YOU were (Born) a SINNER. A Child is not a Sinner He or She is totally innocent of Sin. And except you become as a little Child you in no ways will enter the Kingdom of GOD, YOURSELF, does that reflect to you that the Child is a sinner. Terricca, your trying so hard to disprove me it is blinding you from the truth IMO.
peace and love……………..gene
To all, (concerning sin, and life)Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Hope promised before the ages is why Christ pre-exists:
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
The Professor
hi Davidbfungene ,does not have those verses in his bible,
predetermination blind people where there is responsibility and guilt for what they do.
Pierre
Pierre,I had a little “problem” with the following verse:
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Who is included in the ALL? Jesus?
The Bible says that he was made “sin” for us; and that he took on our sins, etc, which would mean that even though Christ may not have sinned on his part, he took on sin and had sins “in him”….and could be technically called a “sinner”.
Could be why he didn't have the same “glory” here on earth he had when he was with his Father before….but, he will have again.
And God will be faithful and just to forgive all sin…and make us perfect thru Christ.
1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
2 Cor 5:21 He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
This foreordained plan of Salvation was scripted in the OT of which Christ was sent from Heaven to fulfill.
The Professor
1Cr 2:10 [fn] For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God.
Davidbfun,
You have a little problem with the following:
Quote Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Who is included in the ALL? Jesus?
That is completely understandable.
One of the things I learned is that the word, “all” as used in the scriptures as well as in English, has two possible meanings.
1. All = all without exception
2. All = all within a distinction
For instance, all men are descendants of Adam or all men are descendants of Noah and his wife. This is meaning number 1.
JC had twelve apostles whom he picked from the disciples , all of them where men. “All” is referring to apostles, therefore “all” disciples that he picked to be apostles were men. But not “all “disciples were men. Many were women and why not? Children.
Maybe,this one is clearer, All men are saved. Not all men without exception, but all with in the distinction of ones that believe God's word.
All with in the distinction of men, not including Jesus Christ.
Before Adam and Eve transgressed, I suppose it could have been said, All humans are perfect human beings. All without exception. They were certainly, “very good.”
Quote The Bible says that he was made “sin” for us; and that he took on our sins, etc, which would mean that even though Christ may not have sinned on his part, he took on sin and had sins “in him”….and could be technically called a “sinner”. Consider that a doctor takes on the illness of a patient. He does succumb to the illness, but takes it on like a challenge. His job is to help the body heal. He takes on the illness.
No one become a doctor if all doctors took on, literally, all the diseases, and injuries that doctors work to alleviate.
barley
DBF………..Then produce a single Scripture that say (ALL) are (BORN) Sinners. That will suffice i assure your. While scripture say all have sinned where does it say all are (BORN sinners. Forcing the text to meet preconceived dogmas is not wise. If you want to i will show you scripture where a Father and Mother is not responsible for the sins of there childern. So David being concieved in Sin, the lustful compassion of his mother and father had nothing to do with His sins did it? NO child is (BORN) a Sinner people become sinners as they mature. 'EXCEPT YOU BECOME AS A LITTLE CHILD YOU IN NO WISE SHALL ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN”. Think about it.
peace and love…………………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 25 2010,11:03) DBF………..Then produce a single Scripture that say (ALL) are (BORN) Sinners. That will suffice i assure your. While scripture say all have sinned where does it say all are (BORN sinners. Forcing the text to meet preconceived dogmas is not wise. If you want to i will show you scripture where a Father and Mother is not responsible for the sins of there childern. So David being concieved in Sin, the lustful compassion of his mother and father had nothing to do with His sins did it? NO child is (BORN) a Sinner people become sinners as they mature. 'EXCEPT YOU BECOME AS A LITTLE CHILD YOU IN NO WISE SHALL ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN”. Think about it. peace and love…………………………….gene
Gene,
It's just the old Catholic scare tactics. That is why they baptized infants in case they die as infants in their sins. Such nonsense.
Sin is a conscious choice to go against the will of God. It can be the will of God as decreed by your parents but still is the same. Children have to come to an age of choice to be accountable for sin.Quote (Baker @ Aug. 24 2010,10:41) Quote (martian @ Aug. 24 2010,04:51) Quote (Baker @ Aug. 23 2010,12:14) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 20 2010,15:29) Irene, You are perhaps answering the question posed by this thread when you state your belief that Jesus gave up much when he choose to become a human being.
What did he give up?
He is presently King of everything on earth and in heaven and from what you seem to imply has always been. He showed quite a bit of authority even as a human being. It is my understanding that you also believe that he shape changed from am immaterial being to a human being was resurrected as a human being and then shape changed back into an immaterial being. In short I nothing he surrendered.
I am wondering if you tested your beliefs as instructed to do by God.
kerwin! He had a glory with His Father, He was a Spirit Being. The reason I can say that is because in John 17:5 He said:” And now O Father glorify Me together with Yourself with the glory I had before the world was. To that glory He went back to. He came down from Heaven to do the will of Him who send Him.
John 6:38 “For I have come down from Heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who send Me.
I know that you don't believe that John 1:1 The Word of God is who became Jesus, however when you read in Rev. 19:13 it says this
“He was clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.”
verse 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen white and clean, followed Him on white horsed.
verse 15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the wine press of the fierceness and the wrath of Almighty God.
verse 16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:” KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. Is there anyone else that fits that description? I do not think so…..You know it is so amazing with all this Scriptures that shows us that Christ was before all. The firstborn of all creation Col. 1:15 and through Him all was created verse 16 and John 1:3 and in John 1:14 He became flesh and was called Jesus as a Human being. He went back and will come again as The Words of God and KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. kerwin, is it really that hard to grasp all of that? Or is it someones pride that just does not let one acknowledge that it is the truth, listed in Scriptures….. I do know how hard it was for me, to say I was wrong, and the person that told us, was right. But I did, and it was not easy…..but you know God helped us with all of it…..and it has nothing to do with the trinity or that Jesus had to be just like us….He was just like us that He was a Human being and hurt like us and was very scared when He was in the Garden, of I forgot the name of that Garden, where He went and prayed to God to let that cup pass Him by…. We should all be so thankful that He gave up His glory to die for us, and now He will never die, immortality was His reward…..
Peace to you Irene
Irene,
You have still not defined Spirit Being. How about just defining spirit.
Oh, yes I did. I gave you the example of Nicodemus, where the wind blows….John 1:8 .And what is our Heavenly Father like. The Word of God, is the image of the invisible God it says in Col. 1:15.
Irene
So then Jesus literally after his resurrection become a puff of air or a current of air?
If you are going to take the scripture literally that says Jesus becomes a quickening spirit then you must believe that he becomes a literal blowing wind.martian……….See it leaves them dumbfounded they simply have not answer, because they have no idea what a spirit (Being) really is. Because a Spirit is not a (BEING) but is what lives (IN) a Being. And all beings outside of GOD himself must have a Body that the Spiirt can live in and animate. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 26 2010,08:01) martian……….See it leaves them dumbfounded they simply have not answer, because they have no idea what a spirit (Being) really is. Because a Spirit is not a (BEING) but is what lives (IN) a Being. And all beings outside of GOD himself must have a Body that the Spiirt can live in and animate. IMO peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene
Gene, Martian,As a quick thought: There are at least four types of “spirits”:
Holy Spirit – omnipresent, is everywhere, invisible
“spirit beings” – 7 spirits in front of God's throne
demons (evil spirits) that possess others
spirit within each personAngels in Heaven have heavenly bodies of which I can't say what they are made of; only know that they don't die, and can take on human appearance.
Man has a human body made of flesh, bone, blood and a whole lot more stuff.
Only “ONE” spirit is explained as invisible and that is God's.
Others are said to have “spirit bodies” which obviously must be visible if you can count them as they are cast-out of a person….
Even the Holy Spirit's 7 spirits must be visible as they are counted as they are in front of God's throne…
What a spirit body consists of, who knows?
The Professor
DBF…………Hay i am not the one saying there exists a spirit (BODY) I believe a Spirit is what is (IN) a body remember. Jesus said a Spirit does not have flesh and bone as he did, (after his resurrection). So i believe Jesus did have a Spirit (IN) Him though , the one the father put back into his resurected Body.
peace and love…………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 26 2010,23:29) DBF…………Hay i am not the one saying there exists a spirit (BODY) I believe a Spirit is what is (IN) a body remember. Jesus said a Spirit does not have flesh and bone as he did, (after his resurrection). So i believe Jesus did have a Spirit (IN) Him though , the one the father put back into his resurected Body. peace and love…………………….gene
Gene,I can agree with that. I believe it is the same spirit that departed his body and then went back into it.
But that is where I also believe that is how in Phil 2 Jesus emptied a previous body and that his spirit was implanted by the Holy Spirit into Mary becoming Yahshua/Jesus.
Could this be possible?
The Professor
Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 27 2010,11:59) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 26 2010,23:29) DBF…………Hay i am not the one saying there exists a spirit (BODY) I believe a Spirit is what is (IN) a body remember. Jesus said a Spirit does not have flesh and bone as he did, (after his resurrection). So i believe Jesus did have a Spirit (IN) Him though , the one the father put back into his resurected Body. peace and love…………………….gene
Gene,I can agree with that. I believe it is the same spirit that departed his body and then went back into it.
But that is where I also believe that is how in Phil 2 Jesus emptied a previous body and that his spirit was implanted by the Holy Spirit into Mary becoming Yahshua/Jesus.
Could this be possible?
The Professor
DBFcould it be that angels have a ADN” as well ? i could believe that.
God is spirit ,the scriptures says that all the univers can not contain him ,it could mean because all is contained in him?
Pierre
The entire concept of “spirit” denoting a type of being is not possible within the Hebrew culture of the Old or New Testament. These people were concrete thinkers and named objects according to their function and not their appearance. God is a “spirit” which translated means breath or wind. It is name given God because it shows how he functions as seen by the Hebrew people. They cannot see him but they can see his effect on the world around them. Just like the wind cannot be seen but its effect can be seen. The nomadic people lived by the guidance of the wind to lead them to pasture lands and via the trade winds to winter pasture. Naming God as an invisible wind that guided them was the concrete way of seeing God by his function.
For more info on the Hebrew culture and language I would suggest this web page.
http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/12_home.htmlQuote (martian @ Aug. 28 2010,10:25) The entire concept of “spirit” denoting a type of being is not possible within the Hebrew culture of the Old or New Testament. These people were concrete thinkers and named objects according to their function and not their appearance. God is a “spirit” which translated means breath or wind. It is name given God because it shows how he functions as seen by the Hebrew people. They cannot see him but they can see his effect on the world around them. Just like the wind cannot be seen but its effect can be seen. The nomadic people lived by the guidance of the wind to lead them to pasture lands and via the trade winds to winter pasture. Naming God as an invisible wind that guided them was the concrete way of seeing God by his function.
Martianthis is wha Christ is saying about the Jews believes;Jn 8:42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.
Jn 8:43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say.
Jn 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Jn 8:45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!
Jn 8:46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?
Jn 8:47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 28 2010,04:16) Quote (martian @ Aug. 28 2010,10:25) The entire concept of “spirit” denoting a type of being is not possible within the Hebrew culture of the Old or New Testament. These people were concrete thinkers and named objects according to their function and not their appearance. God is a “spirit” which translated means breath or wind. It is name given God because it shows how he functions as seen by the Hebrew people. They cannot see him but they can see his effect on the world around them. Just like the wind cannot be seen but its effect can be seen. The nomadic people lived by the guidance of the wind to lead them to pasture lands and via the trade winds to winter pasture. Naming God as an invisible wind that guided them was the concrete way of seeing God by his function.
Martianthis is wha Christ is saying about the Jews believes;Jn 8:42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.
Jn 8:43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say.
Jn 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Jn 8:45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!
Jn 8:46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?
Jn 8:47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”Pierre
And your point is?
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