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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 12 2012,01:25) Quote (942767 @ Feb. 15 2012,01:44) Quote (t8 @ Feb. 14 2012,18:48) I have said this a number of times and no one can refute this because I am really just quoting scripture, albeit I have abbreviated it into my own words. Yet men here grit their teeth when I say this and it can all be shown as scripture. He existed in the form of God, emptied himself, partook of flesh, humbled himself, died, rose from the dead, and went back to the glory that he had with the Father before the world began.
Who among you gritted your teeth or became irritated?
What spirit becomes irritated when you speak from scripture.
Did not Jesus speak scripture or what was written to the tempter to overcome him?
Again, what spirit becomes irritated by the truths in scripture because if you are irritated, then it is likely that this spirit has a measure of control over you?
Hi t8:What you have posted is scripture, but there is nothing in that scripture that states that he was “in the form of God prior to becoming a man”.
No, I have misread what you stated. What you have done in modified the Scripture to give your interpretation of scripture.
And so, let's just state the scriptures the way they are written:
Quote Phl 2:5 ¶ Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Phl 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Phl 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Phl 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Phl 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Phl 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth;
Quote John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
John 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou loved me before the foundation of the world.Love in Christ,
Marty
Terricca………..You mean like you and your Co-harts do, as Marty has shown here.There has been many many that have came here and gone who have stated the TRUTH about Jesus , Like for instance Martian, Not3in1, Marty, Chosenone, kajon, Adam, Frank, Barley, Ed j, Kerwin, Astri, No matter how mwnny over the many years i have been here come and give you proofs over and over, you and Mike and T8, fail to even acknowledge it. You would rather take the view you have received from the Trinitarians about Jesus' “PREEXISTENCE” a view started b y the Gnostic's at the time of the disciples, who John and Paul fought against . They also believed in the “PREEXISTENCE of Jesus and that He was sent from the Pleuora of GODS.
You have all bought into the bigest lie ever taught, and that is the preexistence of Jesus You like the trinitarians will all be put to shame in the time to come, by Jesus himself, unless you repent of these false teaching of yours. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene
Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the FIRST BORN OF EVERY CREATURE:Colossians 1:16 For by him were ALL THINGS CREATED, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were CREATED BY HIM, AND FOR HIM:
Colossians 1:17 And he is BEFORE ALL THINGS, and by HIM ALL THINGS CONSIST.
In the BEGINNING was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 The same was IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD.
wakeup..
5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, FROM EVERLASTING.
Hi Wakeup,
“God The Father” is the “Subject” in Col.1:12-20 and Jesus is the Object; English 101.
I will take the liberty to insert both the subject and object into the text for 'your' understanding.
Normally I remove the numbers, but for explanation purposes, my “Free Will” will leave them in for you.
There is no inconsistencies with the rest of “The Bible” viewing Col.1:12-20 in the light of my view. (Eph.5:13)Col.1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet
to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light (Romans 8:17):
13: Who (YHVH our God) hath delivered us from the power of darkness,
and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son(switching to object):
14: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15: Who(Jesus) is the image of the invisible God(YHVH), the firstborn of every creature:
16: For by him(YHVH)(switching back to the subject) were all things created, that are in heaven,
and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities,
or powers: all things were created by him(YHVH), and for him(YHVH):
17: And he(YHVH) is before all things, and by him(YHVH) all things consist.
18: And he(Jesus)(switching back to the object) is the head of the body, the church:
who is the beginning(the preeminence of God), the firstborn from the dead (Romans 1:4);
that in all things he(Jesus) might have the preeminence(over all his brethren).
19: For it pleased the Father that in him(Jesus) should all fulness dwell;
20: And, having made peace through the blood of his(Jesus) cross,
by him(YHVH) to reconcile all things unto himself(2Cor.5:18);
by him, whether things in earth, or things in heaven.Lets now look at verse 16 and verse 17 with greater scrutiny…
16: For by him(YHVH) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth,
visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities,
or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: (Rev.4:11)Would 'you' have us to believe Jesus (falsely) created these things “in Heaven”…
1. God's throne
2. God's dominion
3. God's principality
4. God's power
5. God himselfCan you not see the flaw in 'your' assertion?
Now let's take a closer look at verse 17…
17: And he(YHVH) is before all things, and by him(YHVH) all things consist.
Would 'you' have us to believe Jesus (falsely) is before YHVH himself?
Would 'you' have us to believe by Jesus (falsely) all things consist?
How can you reconcile this belief without saying Jesus is God?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEdJ.The wise MAN.
Oh man,you are using the wisdom of man; not yet understanding who the son is, and who the father is.
You can not see that deep, into scripture yet.The WORD proceeded out of the father;the breath of the father comes out of his lungs.(so to speak).
Oh how deep are the mysteries of God,that man can not understand it,unless it is given to him.
10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man KNOWETH who the Son is, but the Father; and who the FATHER is, BUT THE SON, *AND HE TO WHOM THE SON WILL REVEAL HIM.*
You are putting too much of your own wisdom into the scriptures old boy.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,
“all things were created by him(YHVH), and for him(YHVH)” (Col 1:16)
“Thou art worthy, O LORD(YHVH), to receive glory and honor and power: for thou
hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.” (Rev 4:11)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Nov. 20 2012,05:18) Hi Wakeup, “all things were created by him(YHVH), and for him(YHVH)” (Col 1:16)
“Thou art worthy, O LORD(YHVH), to receive glory and honor and power: for thou
hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.” (Rev 4:11)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjQuote “all things were created by him(YHVH), and for him(YHVH)” (Col 1:16) God does not need any thing HE HIS COMPLETE BY HIMSELF ,HIS LOVE FOR HIS SON HIS WHAT MADE HIM CREATE AND FOR WHOM HE MADE ALL THINGS ,
THERE IS NO LOVE IN DOING ALL THINGS FOR YOURSELF IS THERE
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 20 2012,09:23) Hi Wakeup, “God The Father” is the “Subject” in Col.1:12-20 and Jesus is the Object; English 101.
I will take the liberty to insert both the subject and object into the text for 'your' understanding.
Normally I remove the numbers, but for explanation purposes, my “Free Will” will leave them in for you.
There is no inconsistencies with the rest of “The Bible” viewing Col.1:12-20 in the light of my view. (Eph.5:13)Col.1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet
to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light (Romans 8:17):
13: Who (YHVH our God) hath delivered us from the power of darkness,
and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son(switching to object):
14: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15: Who(Jesus) is the image of the invisible God(YHVH), the firstborn of every creature:
16: For by him(YHVH)(switching back to the subject) were all things created, that are in heaven,
and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities,
or powers: all things were created by him(YHVH), and for him(YHVH):
17: And he(YHVH) is before all things, and by him(YHVH) all things consist.
18: And he(Jesus)(switching back to the object) is the head of the body, the church:
who is the beginning(the preeminence of God), the firstborn from the dead (Romans 1:4);
that in all things he(Jesus) might have the preeminence(over all his brethren).
19: For it pleased the Father that in him(Jesus) should all fulness dwell;
20: And, having made peace through the blood of his(Jesus) cross,
by him(YHVH) to reconcile all things unto himself(2Cor.5:18);
by him, whether things in earth, or things in heaven.Lets now look at verse 16 and verse 17 with greater scrutiny…
16: For by him(YHVH) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth,
visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities,
or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: (Rev.4:11)Would 'you' have us to believe Jesus (falsely) created these things “in Heaven”…
1. God's throne
2. God's dominion
3. God's principality
4. God's power
5. God himselfCan you not see the flaw in 'your' assertion?
Now let's take a closer look at verse 17…
17: And he(YHVH) is before all things, and by him(YHVH) all things consist.
Would 'you' have us to believe Jesus (falsely) is before YHVH himself?
Would 'you' have us to believe by Jesus (falsely) all things consist?
How can you reconcile this belief without saying Jesus is God?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ………..Very well and acurately put brother. But it was not your “FREE WILL” that “Caused you to post it though.
Gene and others.
Can you honestly repeat this scripture and mean it with all your heart.
No you cannot. You absolutely 100% do not agree with this scripture.
Jude 1:25
to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.Gene 1:25
to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, now and forevermore! (but not before all ages), Amen.So do you believe Jude 1:25 or Gene 1:25?
Colossians 1:17
He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.Again I can say this with no reservation. Gene cannot. In order for Gene to say this, he would need to add an additional paragraph to change it into something like this:
Gene 1:17
He is before all things, (in God's memory only) and in him all things hold together (that is the coming new world but not the preceding ages).So which do you choose?
Colossians 1:17 or Gene 1:17?
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 28 2012,07:38) Gene and others. Can you honestly repeat this scripture and mean it with all your heart.
No you cannot. You absolutely 100% do not agree with this scripture.
Jude 1:25
to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.Gene 1:25
to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, now and forevermore! (but not before all ages), Amen.So do you believe Jude 1:25 or Gene 1:25?
Hi T8,It is funny how people always seem to use corrupted text
to make their points (of contention with others) with.Here is what Jude 1:25 actually says: (Note: it's talking about “God”, rather than Jesus Christ our Lord)
Jude 1:25 To the only wise God our Savior, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgJohn 1:3
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.Gene 1:3
Through him all things (to come) Will be made; without him nothing (that is to come) WILL be made that WILL BE made.Which one do you believe: John 1:3 or Gene 1:3?
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 28 2012,02:52) Quote (t8 @ Nov. 28 2012,07:38) Gene and others. Can you honestly repeat this scripture and mean it with all your heart.
No you cannot. You absolutely 100% do not agree with this scripture.
Jude 1:25
to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.Gene 1:25
to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, now and forevermore! (but not before all ages), Amen.So do you believe Jude 1:25 or Gene 1:25?
Hi T8,It is funny how people always seem to use corrupted text
to make their points (of contention with others) with.Here is what Jude 1:25 actually says: (Note: it's talking about “God”, rather than Jesus Christ our Lord)
Jude 1:25 To the only wise God our Savior, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Jude 1:25
Context
NETBible to the only God our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, power, and authority, before all time, and now, and for all eternity. Amen.NETBible Word Freq.
to 21983
the 52518
only 377
God 3769
our 1128
Savior 23
through 674
Jesus 1206
Christ 526
our 1128
Lord 6894
be 5087
glory 195
majesty 32
power 350
and 26315
authority 172
before 1280
all 4582
time 950
and 26315
now 554
and 26315
for 6681
all 4582
eternity 2
Amen 43
GREEK Word Strong # POS Freq. KJV usages
monw 3441 A-DSM 48 only 24, alone 21 …
yew 2316 N-DSM 1312 God 1320, god 13 …
swthri 4990 N-DSM 24 Saviour 24
hmwn 2257 P-1GP 398 our 313, us 82 …
dia 1223 PREP 668 by 241, through 88 …
ihsou 2424 N-GSM 913 Jesus 972, Jesus (Joshua) 2 …
cristou 5547 N-GSM 531 Christ 569
tou 3588 T-GSM 19765 which 413, who 79 …
kuriou 2962 N-GSM 718 Lord 667, lord 54 …
hmwn 2257 P-1GP 398 our 313, us 82 …
doxa 1391 N-NSF 166 glory 145, glorious 10 …
megalwsunh 3172 N-NSF 3 Majesty 2, majesty 1
kratov 2904 N-NSN 12 power 6, dominion 4 …
kai 2532 CONJ 8970 and 8173, also 514 …
exousia 1849 N-NSF 102 power 69, authority 29 …
pro 4253 PREP 47 before 44, above 2 …
pantov 3956 A-GSM 1239 all 748, all things 170 …
tou 3588 T-GSM 19765 which 413, who 79 …
aiwnov 165 N-GSM 122 ever 71, world 38 …
kai 2532 CONJ 8970 and 8173, also 514 …
nun 3568 ADV 149 now 120, present 4 …
kai 2532 CONJ 8970 and 8173, also 514 …
eiv 1519 PREP 1765 into 573, to 281 …
pantav 3956 A-APM 1239 all 748, all things 170 …
touv 3588 T-APM 19765 which 413, who 79 …
aiwnav 165 N-APM 122 ever 71, world 38 …
amhn 281 HEB 125 verily 101, amen 51you can figured it out
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 28 2012,10:52) Hi T8, It is funny how people always seem to use corrupted text
to make their points (of contention with others) with.Here is what Jude 1:25 actually says: (Note: it's talking about “God”, rather than Jesus Christ our Lord)
Jude 1:25 To the only wise God our Savior, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Thanks for that.I will look into that.
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 29 2012,14:02) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 29 2012,07:40)
edjdid you check my quote
PIERREYes I did, but you need to clearly say what your point is
so that we will know what you are trying to convey; OK?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Nov. 29 2012,09:08) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 29 2012,14:02) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 29 2012,07:40)
edjdid you check my quote
PIERREYes I did, but you need to clearly say what your point is
so that we will know what you are trying to convey; OK?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edyou showed t8 Jude 1;25 in a different version that he did ,and i check it out and in some way you right but it is not related to all we know ,
this is why i posted this quote from netbible ,comments on Jude 1;25
so my question is why is it different from your version versus netbible and NIV
Hi terraricca. Without researching this particular example yet, I know the KJV is different to other bibles. For example it includes the most blatant fraudulent addition of all, the Comma Johanneum and I suspect that Ed J's quoted version can likely be explained by what I am saying below.
The reason for the discrepancies between the KJV and modern translations is because the KJV was translated from the Textus Receptus which was collated from a relatively small collection of Byzantine-era Greek texts dating back to around the twelfth to fourteenth century AD. That is over a millennia of copying allowing errors to creep into the text during the copying process and with little cross checking with other families of texts it is harder to spot errors that crept in.
Most other translations use a wider range of texts and much older texts too. This includes the Dead Sea Scrolls. The earliest manuscripts are generally considered more accurate for obvious reasons and do not contain some verses and extra phrases that the KJV does. Also using more texts gives translators more ability to cross check which helps eliminate errors because it is not that probable that copying errors are the same with different families of texts.
The other problem with the KJV is that it uses Old English which is sometimes confusing to us as some words have changed meaning.
Additional verses that exist in the KJV and not in most other translations include: Matt 17:21, Mark 7:16, Mark 11:26, Acts 8:37, Acts 9:6. I haven't got time to check this list. I copied it from another site. There are also verses that are shorter in other translations compared to the KJV, implying that words have also been added to the KJV.
So the earliest manuscripts do not contain these verses and extra phrases which are additions to the KJV, rather than subtractions in later translations.
So it is well accepted that the KJV has shortcomings due to this. However, for some reason there is a movement of KJV only people out there. So far all persons I have met with this view were quite superstitious people.
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