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Mark 16:9-20 (New International Version)
((The most reliable early manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20.))
9When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had driven seven demons. 10She went and told those who had been with him and who were mourning and weeping. 11When they heard that Jesus was alive and that she had seen him, they did not believe it.
12Afterward Jesus appeared in a different form to two of them while they were walking in the country. 13These returned and reported it to the rest; but they did not believe them either.14Later Jesus appeared to the Eleven as they were eating; he rebuked them for their lack of faith and their stubborn refusal to believe those who had seen him after he had risen.
15He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”
19After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God. 20Then the disciples went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked with them and confirmed his word by the signs that accompanied it.
Catholic Encyclopedia adds to this:
“…There are missing, however, from the manuscript of the original scribe, in the Greek, Matt., i, 1-20; [iii, 7-16]; vi, 20-ix, 2; xxvii, 2-12; John i, 16-iii, 26; [xviii, 14-xx, 13]; [Mk. xvi, 15-20]; Acts, viii, 29-x, 14; xxi, 2-10, 16-18; xxii, 10-20; xxii, 29-xxviii, 31; in the Latin, Matt., i, 1-11; [ii, 21-iii, 7]; vi,8-viii, 27; xxvi, 65-xxvii, 1; John, i, 1-iii, 16; [xviii, 2-xx, 1]; [Mk., xvi, 6-20]; Acts viii, 20-x, 4; xx, 31-xxi, 2, 7-10; xxii, 2-10; xxiii, 20- xxviii, 31. The passages in brackets have been supplied by a tenth-century hand.” [16]
Example 2. 1 John 5:6-8
1 John 5:6-8
Corrupted verse
This is He who came by water and blood–Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. 8And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.
As it is found in other manuscripts
This is He who came by water and blood–Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth. 8And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.
Example 3. Matthew 28:19
Matthew 28:19
Corrupted verse
“Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”
As it is found in other manuscripts
“Therefore go and make disciples of all nations in my name
Hi BD,
We know of these.
The Spirit guides us into all truth.
The bible is inspired but the same cannot be said of your master's teachings.OUR MASTERS TEACH THE SAME THING NICK! THATS HOW WE TRUST THEM. WHAT VERSION ARE YOU READING?
Christianity has never been the religion of a book. It is the faith of the Church. The Church was used to pen an inspired set of books (the Bible). The Bible did not found the Church.
Your arguments can be easily refuted on their own merits. However, this is the real issue. It is one that transcends all of your faulty argumentation.
Hi CA,
You are confusing the church with catholicism.
It follows men and lets the book get dusty on the shelf.DB……You brought out a good point , “this is he who came by water and Blood” another words a purely human being this is the point John was always driving at , Jesus came (into existence) as a purely flesh and Blood Human through water and Blood as any normal berth takes place. John was describing Jesus' Berth as pure HUMAN. But DB remember we are talking about our bible not the Koran or any Islam teachings. IMO
peace and love……………..gene
Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 14 2009,15:10) Christianity has never been the religion of a book. It is the faith of the Church. The Church was used to pen an inspired set of books (the Bible). The Bible did not found the Church. Your arguments can be easily refuted on their own merits. However, this is the real issue. It is one that transcends all of your faulty argumentation.
Hi CA:Christianity is not a religion at all, but is a personal relationship with God through our Lord Jesus His Only Begotten Son and His Christ.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Gene @ Sep. 14 2009,15:22) DB……You brought out a good point , “this is he who came by water and Blood” another words a purely human being this is the point John was always driving at , Jesus came (into existence) as a purely flesh and Blood Human through water and Blood as any normal berth takes place. John was describing Jesus' Berth as pure HUMAN. But DB remember we are talking about our bible not the Koran or any Islam teachings. IMO peace and love……………..gene
Simply by adding a little here and there and taking away a little here and there we have a problem even reasoning together because someone will show you corrupted words and if you do not know the changes that have been made what do you say when they show you verses that lead you to believe wrongly about Jesus?Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 14 2009,15:10) Christianity has never been the religion of a book. It is the faith of the Church. The Church was used to pen an inspired set of books (the Bible). The Bible did not found the Church. Your arguments can be easily refuted on their own merits. However, this is the real issue. It is one that transcends all of your faulty argumentation.
What argument, I simply said these are examples of corruption in a book that many hold as infallible.The Bible was extremely valuable to the Church but there is no doubt that elevating Christ to God required corrupting the text and this works very well for the CC who were the original organized version of the Church because if we consider The Pope as representing Christ on Earth and we believe that Christ is God what would that make the Pope?
I don't think the church ever conceived of wide spread literacy.
Quote (942767 @ Sep. 15 2009,15:00) Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 14 2009,15:10) Christianity has never been the religion of a book. It is the faith of the Church. The Church was used to pen an inspired set of books (the Bible). The Bible did not found the Church. Your arguments can be easily refuted on their own merits. However, this is the real issue. It is one that transcends all of your faulty argumentation.
Hi CA:Christianity is not a religion at all, but is a personal relationship with God through our Lord Jesus His Only Begotten Son and His Christ.
Love in Christ,
Marty
“Religion clean and undefiled before God and the Father, is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their tribulation: and to keep one's self unspotted from this world.” – Jas. 1:27Did you want to say that again?
Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 16 2009,16:56) Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 14 2009,15:10) Christianity has never been the religion of a book. It is the faith of the Church. The Church was used to pen an inspired set of books (the Bible). The Bible did not found the Church. Your arguments can be easily refuted on their own merits. However, this is the real issue. It is one that transcends all of your faulty argumentation.
What argument, I simply said these are examples of corruption in a book that many hold as infallible.The Bible was extremely valuable to the Church but there is no doubt that elevating Christ to God required corrupting the text and this works very well for the CC who were the original organized version of the Church because if we consider The Pope as representing Christ on Earth and we believe that Christ is God what would that make the Pope?
I don't think the church ever conceived of wide spread literacy.
No one in the world probably conceived of widespread literacy. But this is a temporal governmental and societal problem. Not a problem with the Christian faith. The Christian faith was propagated by preaching, not reading.BTW, which is better, reading or knowing God and living a holy life before Him?
You can keep wandering if you like. We're going to know, love, and serve the Lord our God.
The Bengali Hindu sage Ramakrishna once said, “Be not like the frog in the well. The frog in the well knows nothing bigger and grander than its well. So are all bigots: they do not see anything better than their own creeds.”
Quote (Cato @ Sep. 16 2009,23:38) The Bengali Hindu sage Ramakrishna once said, “Be not like the frog in the well. The frog in the well knows nothing bigger and grander than its well. So are all bigots: they do not see anything better than their own creeds.”
G.K. Chesterton once said:“A thing may be too sad to be believed or too wicked to be believed or too good to be believed; but it cannot be too absurd to be believed in this planet of frogs and elephants, of crocodiles and cuttle-fish.” – Maycock, The Man Who Was Orthodox
hi
were is God glory in this discution?
If you are anything, but gloryfing God the creater with all your heart and spirit and acting in that respect.
to me your in good possition.you accomplish the law in your nature.
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