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Quote Hi Pierre: Because that spirit that was in the snake, the lying and deceiving spirit entered into the world through Adam, and not that same spirit is in evil men.
That spirit is the “dragon” spirit.
For example:
To whom does the following scripture refer?
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2.Revelation 12:4
And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.Love in Christ,
Martydo you understand that those figures are symbols ; and so what his said is said in an allegorical way ;but they really representing real being ,
REV 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.,
THERE ARE IN THOSE SCRIPTURES FOUR NAMES MEANING THE SAME BEING ;GREAT DRAGON – THE SERPENT OF OLD – THE DEVIL- SATAN –
AND IN OTHER PLACES ;THE DECEIVER – THE FATHER OF LIES – AND SOME OTHERS
SO IF YOU SAY THAT THE SERPENT WAS THE REAL TARGET ,WHAT ABOUT THE DRAGON ;
AND WHO HIS THE DEVIL AND SATAN Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 09 2014,00:12) T. So what is new in your supossed explanations?
We all know that.:Dwakeup.
WREAD MARTY 'S QUOTE FIRST
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2014,05:26) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 09 2014,00:12) T. So what is new in your supossed explanations?
We all know that.:Dwakeup.
WREAD MARTY 'S QUOTE FIRST
T.Marty's quote was correct,
You did not deed to explain any further.
Al you had to say is: I agree.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 09 2014,01:11) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2014,05:26) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 09 2014,00:12) T. So what is new in your supossed explanations?
We all know that.:Dwakeup.
WREAD MARTY 'S QUOTE FIRST
T.Marty's quote was correct,
You did not deed to explain any further.
Al you had to say is: I agree.wakeup.
wi should have said read all the discussion between Marty and me on this subject
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 09 2014,05:03) Quote (942767 @ Feb. 08 2014,10:20) Hi Wakeup: You say:
Quote Jacob did not deceive his father,but God made it happen
what Esau had done.How can you blame God for what happened here, he is not a partaker of evil, he fore-saw that it would happen that way, but please read the scriptures and quit adding your opinion to what is being stated.
Quote Hebrews 12:15-17 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears. Quote Gen 27:34-36And when Esau heard the words of his father, he cried with a great and exceeding bitter cry, and said unto his father, Bless me, even me also, O my father.And he said, Thy brother came with subtilty, and hath taken away thy blessing.And he said, Is not he rightly named Jacob? for he hath supplanted me these two times: he took away my birthright; and, behold, now he hath taken away my blessing. And he said, Hast thou not reserved a blessing for me? Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.No, I dont blame God.
God knew that Esau made a deal with his brother,
And he made sure that deall is honoured.
Without God's help;that deal would not have been honoured by Esau.Esau would have his meal, and his inheritance.
Because Isaac loved Esau,and he is much stronger physically than Jacob.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:Adam became a living soul, with a mind, a will, and emotions, but he was in innocence before he sinned. He had done neither good or evil.
The temptation comes to the mind first, and then once you yield to the temptation and you obey it, it becomes a part of your spirit.
Love in Christ,
MartyMarty.
God breathed the breath of life,and adam BECAME a living soul. We are all living souls with only two choices.
1. Go for the desires of the flesh.
2.Go for the desires of the spirit.Temptations comes from the outside;what we see and hear.
To stimulate the desires of the flesh.The spirit of wanting
to have,or do.
We can only reject those temptations by being faithful to God.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 09 2014,15:32) Marty. God breathed the breath of life,and adam BECAME a living soul. We are all living souls with only two choices.
1. Go for the desires of the flesh.
2.Go for the desires of the spirit.Temptations comes from the outside;what we see and hear.
To stimulate the desires of the flesh.The spirit of wanting
to have,or do.
We can only reject those temptations by being faithful to God.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:We are all living persons, but we are spiritually dead to God, because of our transgressions if we have not come to God with a repentant heart through Jesus Christ who is the propitiation for our sins, and the example by the life of Christ, in how we should live our lives in right standing with God. We must be born again to see or enter the kingdom of God.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2014,05:06) Marty Quote Hi Pierre: Because that spirit that was in the snake, the lying and deceiving spirit entered into the world through Adam, and not that same spirit is in evil men.
That spirit is the “dragon” spirit.
For example:
To whom does the following scripture refer?
Quote
2.Revelation 12:4
And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.Love in Christ,
Martydo you understand that those figures are symbols ; and so what his said is said in an allegorical way ;but they really representing real being ,
REV 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.,
THERE ARE IN THOSE SCRIPTURES FOUR NAMES MEANING THE SAME BEING ;GREAT DRAGON – THE SERPENT OF OLD – THE DEVIL- SATAN –
AND IN OTHER PLACES ;THE DECEIVER – THE FATHER OF LIES – AND SOME OTHERS
SO IF YOU SAY THAT THE SERPENT WAS THE REAL TARGET ,WHAT ABOUT THE DRAGON ;
AND WHO HIS THE DEVIL AND SATAN
Hi Pierre:I answered your questions by giving you the scriptures which show that God was speaking to the serpent in Genesis 3, and I can only give you what the scriptures state.
The snake was judged by God and was sentenced crawl on the ground on his belly and eat dust for the rest of his life, but I said:
Quote Because that spirit that was in the snake, the lying and deceiving spirit entered into the world through Adam, and not that same spirit is in evil men. That spirit is the “dragon” spirit
(THAT SPIRIT ENTERED INTO THE WORLD BY ADAM)
That spirit which is called the devil or satan or the dragon, will be bound for a thousand years when the Lord comes for the church, and at the end it will be destroyed by fire in the day of judgment.
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Rev 20:2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3
And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
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Rev 20:10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Wakeup @ Feb. 08 2014,08:36) Quote (942767 @ Feb. 08 2014,05:16) Hi Journey: The reason that God called him a worm is because of the way that he deceived his Father into blessing him instead of the older son, Esau.
The name Jacob means:
Quote Jacob = “heel holder” or “supplanter” Quote sup·plant [suh-plant, -plahnt] Show IPA verb (used with object)
1.
to take the place of (another), as through force, scheming, strategy, or the like.
2.
to replace (one thing) by something
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.Jacob did not deceive his father,but God made it happen
what Esau had done.
And that is to sell his birthright to Jacob for food.
Esau sold his birthright,and God gave it to Jacob.
And that was how God made it happen,for Esau is stronger that Jacob.wakeup.
Wakeup……….Jacob grabbed Esau's by the heel when they were being born, hence the name Sur-planter, or Tripper, in Hebrew, Jacob, and he did conspire with his mother Rebecca, to trick his Father old man Issac, into giving him the blessings of the firstborn son, he also took advantage of his brother Esau, when he was dying of hunger, and made him sale him his berth right, so he was obviously a sneaky person, but when he prevailed with God, his name was changed to Israel or (over-comer). It probably was in the plan and will of God , but Jacob was did take advantage and did conspire to deceive Issac his Father with the sheep skin on his arm. IMOpeace and love to you and yours………………………gene
Quote (942767 @ Feb. 10 2014,01:43) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 09 2014,15:32) Marty. God breathed the breath of life,and adam BECAME a living soul. We are all living souls with only two choices.
1. Go for the desires of the flesh.
2.Go for the desires of the spirit.Temptations comes from the outside;what we see and hear.
To stimulate the desires of the flesh.The spirit of wanting
to have,or do.
We can only reject those temptations by being faithful to God.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:We are all living persons, but we are spiritually dead to God, because of our transgressions if we have not come to God with a repentant heart through Jesus Christ who is the propitiation for our sins, and the example by the life of Christ, in how we should live our lives in right standing with God. We must be born again to see or enter the kingdom of God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Wakeup……….Paul said that good thing “I” would do, “I” do not, but that thing “I” would not do that “I” do, O wretched man that “I” am who can deliver me of “THIS” BODY of DEATH he thanked God, that through Jesus Christ he would be delivered for his present BODY OF DEATH.In another scripture he said That there was no good thing that dwelt in his Body, because to “WILL” was present in it. So we hope for that body to come that will not have any sin or driven by “SELF- WILL, but will conform to the WILL of GOD always. A body without Lusts (inordinate desires) at work in it.
This is a New body created by God the Father where the Lust of (or from) the flesh will not exist. But as long as we have these bodies sin will exist in it , or why would we even need “GRACE” if that were not the case, if we were already perfected.
Therefore it says we hope for that righteousness to come, and again, we look forward to the Resurrection that will witness the redemption of our “BODIES” yes a New body with Spirt in it, an eternal living Soul just like Jesus has. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 10 2014,02:37) Quote (942767 @ Feb. 10 2014,01:43) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 09 2014,15:32) Marty. God breathed the breath of life,and adam BECAME a living soul. We are all living souls with only two choices.
1. Go for the desires of the flesh.
2.Go for the desires of the spirit.Temptations comes from the outside;what we see and hear.
To stimulate the desires of the flesh.The spirit of wanting
to have,or do.
We can only reject those temptations by being faithful to God.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:We are all living persons, but we are spiritually dead to God, because of our transgressions if we have not come to God with a repentant heart through Jesus Christ who is the propitiation for our sins, and the example by the life of Christ, in how we should live our lives in right standing with God. We must be born again to see or enter the kingdom of God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Wakeup……….Paul said that good thing “I” would do, “I” do not, but that thing “I” would not do that “I” do, O wretched man that “I” am who can deliver me of “THIS” BODY of DEATH he thanked God, that through Jesus Christ he would be delivered for his present BODY OF DEATH.In another scripture he said That there was no good thing that dwelt in his Body, because to “WILL” was present in it. So we hope for that body to come that will not have any sin or driven by “SELF- WILL, but will conform to the WILL of GOD always. A body without Lusts (inordinate desires) at work in it.
This is a New body created by God the Father where the Lust of (or from) the flesh will not exist. But as long as we have these bodies sin will exist in it , or why would we even need “GRACE” if that were not the case, if we were already perfected.
Therefore it says we hope for that righteousness to come, and again, we look forward to the Resurrection that will witness the redemption of our “BODIES” yes a New body with Spirt in it, an eternal living Soul just like Jesus has. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………gene
Hi Gene:Paul was talking about his life under the Law when he was relating how he struggled to keep the Law, but yes, he does say that he will be delivered from this body of this death through Jesus Christ our Lord. Under the Law he was under condemnation, because he did not and could not keep the Law with out sinning, but in the body of Christ, he states the following:
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Rom 8:1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:5
For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6
For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8
So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:10
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Rom 8:12
Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
But even when we are walking in obedience to God in the body of Christ, we still fall short of perfect obedience, and sin as we become what God has intended for us, and so, we have not earned our salvation by the works we have done in Christ, it is by grace, or unmerited. The difference between our walk in obedience to God now, is that we now have an example of how to walk in righteousness with God through the example of our Lord Jesus, and we have his shed blood to wash away our sins, and keep us in right standing with God. With out his sacrifice, no one could be saved.
And so, we are not saying that we are self-righteous, but we do have the freedom to live our lives however we want to live it. I love God and want to obey Him because He first loved me, and has demonstrated His love for me. It is a privilege and honor to be a son of the most High God, and so, yes, like you I will forever be grateful to Him.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 10 2014,02:37) Quote (942767 @ Feb. 10 2014,01:43) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 09 2014,15:32) Marty. God breathed the breath of life,and adam BECAME a living soul. We are all living souls with only two choices.
1. Go for the desires of the flesh.
2.Go for the desires of the spirit.Temptations comes from the outside;what we see and hear.
To stimulate the desires of the flesh.The spirit of wanting
to have,or do.
We can only reject those temptations by being faithful to God.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:We are all living persons, but we are spiritually dead to God, because of our transgressions if we have not come to God with a repentant heart through Jesus Christ who is the propitiation for our sins, and the example by the life of Christ, in how we should live our lives in right standing with God. We must be born again to see or enter the kingdom of God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Wakeup……….Paul said that good thing “I” would do, “I” do not, but that thing “I” would not do that “I” do, O wretched man that “I” am who can deliver me of “THIS” BODY of DEATH he thanked God, that through Jesus Christ he would be delivered for his present BODY OF DEATH.In another scripture he said That there was no good thing that dwelt in his Body, because to “WILL” was present in it. So we hope for that body to come that will not have any sin or driven by “SELF- WILL, but will conform to the WILL of GOD always. A body without Lusts (inordinate desires) at work in it.
This is a New body created by God the Father where the Lust of (or from) the flesh will not exist. But as long as we have these bodies sin will exist in it , or why would we even need “GRACE” if that were not the case, if we were already perfected.
Therefore it says we hope for that righteousness to come, and again, we look forward to the Resurrection that will witness the redemption of our “BODIES” yes a New body with Spirt in it, an eternal living Soul just like Jesus has. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………gene
Gene B.Yes,We are all living persons/souls.
An atheist dont believe in any god but in himself.
Therefore He does not have to choose,but to follow his own
spirit.
He just do whatever his spirit tells him.
It will lead to death in the end.
The spirit of the flesh always pleases the desires of the flesh.A God believing/fearing person with desires, have to consider what the spirit tells him.
1.Is it according to God's will?
Or is it not acceptable to God.
2.He has to make that decision.
His choice will be according to how much he loves God;
and how much he loves to satisfy himself.
Most will chose what is good for the flesh.
Because the love for himself is greater than his love for
God.
3.The more we are in the truth, and know our God;
The more we follow the will of God rather than the will of
the flesh. The more also our reward will be.wakeup.
but we cannot say that God created evil ,based on the faulty translators using the wrong words in their interpretation FOR GOD IS LOVE AND RIGHTEOUS AND TRUE
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 11 2014,00:09) but we cannot say that God created evil ,based on the faulty translators using the wrong words in their interpretation FOR GOD IS LOVE AND RIGHTEOUS AND TRUE
T.It depends of Which God you are speaking of.
The God of our Lord Jesus can create evil.
And many other nasty things,like the plagues;floods;
fire and sulphur from heaven.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 11 2014,01:36) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 11 2014,00:09) but we cannot say that God created evil ,based on the faulty translators using the wrong words in their interpretation FOR GOD IS LOVE AND RIGHTEOUS AND TRUE
T.It depends of Which God you are speaking of.
The God of our Lord Jesus can create evil.
And many other nasty things,like the plagues;floods;
fire and sulphur from heaven.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:Yes, God can create some of this in order to influence man to turn to Him for salvation. Most of us do not have any need for God if all is going well. Maybe you have seen some in a moment when a tornado is coming start praying to God. And so, yes, God can do some of these things, but His intent is not to create these things to do evil.
If HE does anything like this it is always with the intent that man should repent.
But yes, if man, after he has heard the gospel, does not want his free gift of salvation offered to him, and chooses to live his own life in this world however he wants, then he will be destroyed in the day of judgment. This world is temporary, and no one who is not written in the book of life will be saved. Is this God's fault? No, it is not. If you do not want to continue to live in God's house for an eternity. You have made your choice as foolish as it may be.
Love in Christ,
MartyI can see than wakeup and Marty make the judgement of God on the wicked 'evil” so now justice ,and truth as become suddenly THE EVIL ONE ,
YOU GUY'S REALLY MAKE ME WANDERING
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 10 2014,02:37) Quote (942767 @ Feb. 10 2014,01:43) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 09 2014,15:32) Marty. God breathed the breath of life,and adam BECAME a living soul. We are all living souls with only two choices.
1. Go for the desires of the flesh.
2.Go for the desires of the spirit.Temptations comes from the outside;what we see and hear.
To stimulate the desires of the flesh.The spirit of wanting
to have,or do.
We can only reject those temptations by being faithful to God.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:We are all living persons, but we are spiritually dead to God, because of our transgressions if we have not come to God with a repentant heart through Jesus Christ who is the propitiation for our sins, and the example by the life of Christ, in how we should live our lives in right standing with God. We must be born again to see or enter the kingdom of God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Wakeup……….Paul said that good thing “I” would do, “I” do not, but that thing “I” would not do that “I” do, O wretched man that “I” am who can deliver me of “THIS” BODY of DEATH he thanked God, that through Jesus Christ he would be delivered for his present BODY OF DEATH.In another scripture he said That there was no good thing that dwelt in his Body, because to “WILL” was present in it. So we hope for that body to come that will not have any sin or driven by “SELF- WILL, but will conform to the WILL of GOD always. A body without Lusts (inordinate desires) at work in it.
This is a New body created by God the Father where the Lust of (or from) the flesh will not exist. But as long as we have these bodies sin will exist in it , or why would we even need “GRACE” if that were not the case, if we were already perfected.
Therefore it says we hope for that righteousness to come, and again, we look forward to the Resurrection that will witness the redemption of our “BODIES” yes a New body with Spirt in it, an eternal living Soul just like Jesus has. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………gene
Gene b.Yes; The flesh is always in opposition to the spirit.
By eating the flesh of Christ; one can deadened the will of the flesh. We are dead to the flesh as Paul said.wakeup.
Quote (942767 @ Feb. 11 2014,03:21) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 11 2014,01:36) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 11 2014,00:09) but we cannot say that God created evil ,based on the faulty translators using the wrong words in their interpretation FOR GOD IS LOVE AND RIGHTEOUS AND TRUE
T.It depends of Which God you are speaking of.
The God of our Lord Jesus can create evil.
And many other nasty things,like the plagues;floods;
fire and sulphur from heaven.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:Yes, God can create some of this in order to influence man to turn to Him for salvation. Most of us do not have any need for God if all is going well. Maybe you have seen some in a moment when a tornado is coming start praying to God. And so, yes, God can do some of these things, but His intent is not to create these things to do evil.
If HE does anything like this it is always with the intent that man should repent.
But yes, if man, after he has heard the gospel, does not want his free gift of salvation offered to him, and chooses to live his own life in this world however he wants, then he will be destroyed in the day of judgment. This world is temporary, and no one who is not written in the book of life will be saved. Is this God's fault? No, it is not. If you do not want to continue to live in God's house for an eternity. You have made your choice as foolish as it may be.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.The scripture says THAT: the great flood and sodom
is for an ensample.2 Peter 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
wakeup.
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