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You believe what your masters say.
What ever they say is the whole truth to you.
The Holy Spirit chose the wrong word, it should be what terra's masters says.wakeup.
Seeking truth………Check it out for yourself, the same word used in Isiah 45:7…. is the exact same word used for Evil in Genesis 2:9 , where it describes the tree of the Knowledge of good and evil.
“rah, raw-aw' ….> bad, or (as a noun) “EVIL” (naturally or morally). This “INCLUDES” the second (feminine) form; as adjective or noun:-adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, + displease (-ure), distress, evil………>
To say God did not create Evil is denying his absolute “Sovereignty” in all things as the ALMIGHTY GOD. Just as if you were to say He did not CREATE GOOD ALSO> IMO
Think about it Seeking truth.
peace and love to you and yours………………………………….gene
some people believe that GOD CREATED EVIL ;WELL BUT WHAT DOES THIS WORD MEAN ANY WAY
wicked, trouble, harm, wrong, sick, bad, worthless, wickedness, ill, crimes, sore, loathsome, envious, wrongly, evildoer, malignant, cruelly, miserable, malice, wretched, man, great, destroyed, surely, disaster, broken, break, destruction, false, iniquity, guilty, distress, mourning, friend, ruin, idol, sorrow, afflicted, vain, unjust, worse, calamity, affliction, breaks, smash, sad, wickedly, base, destroying, displeased, afflict,ECT
NOW WHAT AS RIGHTEOUSNESS ,KINDNESS,TRUTH,LOVE,FAITHFULNESS,HONESTY,JUSTICE ,HOLINESS TO DO WITH THE ABOVE
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2014,12:09) some people believe that GOD CREATED EVIL ;WELL BUT WHAT DOES THIS WORD MEAN ANY WAY wicked, trouble, harm, wrong, sick, bad, worthless, wickedness, ill, crimes, sore, loathsome, envious, wrongly, evildoer, malignant, cruelly, miserable, malice, wretched, man, great, destroyed, surely, disaster, broken, break, destruction, false, iniquity, guilty, distress, mourning, friend, ruin, idol, sorrow, afflicted, vain, unjust, worse, calamity, affliction, breaks, smash, sad, wickedly, base, destroying, displeased, afflict,ECT
NOW WHAT AS RIGHTEOUSNESS ,KINDNESS,TRUTH,LOVE,FAITHFULNESS,HONESTY,JUSTICE ,HOLINESS TO DO WITH THE ABOVE
No, Pierre:God did not create evil, He created all of the angels, and mankind, and apparently the serpent with a free will, and therefore, the serpent tempted Eve, and in doing so, became Satan which Adversary, God's adversary, and one whom tempts the entire human race to do evil.
Quote Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Love in Christ,
MartyMarty
Quote No, Pierre: God did not create evil, He created all of the angels, and mankind, and apparently the serpent with a free will, and therefore, the serpent tempted Eve, and in doing so, became Satan which Adversary, God's adversary, and one whom tempts the entire human race to do evil.
the serpent is a animal it as nothing to do with it he was used in a purpose of the one hiding behind ;Rev 20:2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.
so it was the angel in Eden that tempted Eve ;Eze 28:13 You were in Eden,
the garden of God;
every precious stone adorned you:
ruby, topaz and emerald,
chrysolite, onyx and jasper,
sapphire, turquoise and beryl.
Your settings and mountings were made of gold;
on the day you were created they were prepared.
Eze 28:14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for so I ordained you.
You were on the holy mount of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
Eze 28:15 You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.this is Satan the adversary of God he is the creator of evil
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 06 2014,02:41) Marty Quote No, Pierre: God did not create evil, He created all of the angels, and mankind, and apparently the serpent with a free will, and therefore, the serpent tempted Eve, and in doing so, became Satan which Adversary, God's adversary, and one whom tempts the entire human race to do evil.
the serpent is a animal it as nothing to do with it he was used in a purpose of the one hiding behind ;Rev 20:2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.
so it was the angel in Eden that tempted Eve ;Eze 28:13 You were in Eden,
the garden of God;
every precious stone adorned you:
ruby, topaz and emerald,
chrysolite, onyx and jasper,
sapphire, turquoise and beryl.
Your settings and mountings were made of gold;
on the day you were created they were prepared.
Eze 28:14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for so I ordained you.
You were on the holy mount of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
Eze 28:15 You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.this is Satan the adversary of God he is the creator of evil
Hi Pierre:I know that the serpent is an animal, but I posted the scripture that says that God created or made the serpent. Can't you read? Why do you want to argue the scriptures when it plainly states that God created this animal or beast.
You want to add your opinion that the serpent was used, but that is not what the scriptures state.
To whom is God speaking when He renders judgement in the scripture below:
Quote Gen 3:13
And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.Gen 3:14
And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Love in Christ,
MartyTo All……….What is LIFE, is it not a balance between good and Evil, If God did not want evil to exist he simply could remove it, as he will in the Millennial reign of Jesus and the Saints, for a time period, And if Evil will not always be a factor, then why so much of life consists of it. Why Did God even allow Satan to tempt Adam and Eve in the first place, if it was not needful for them to experience both Good and Evil, He could have just removed it for ever and and not even put the tree of the knowledge of good and evil there in the first place and it would never existed in the first place.
All of this has nothing to do with our “so-called” Freewill Choices, it only proves our choices are influenced ones, and therefore not “FREE” at all. Scripture shows unless God himself abides in a Person to guide him he will always yield to the good and evil's influencing him. The thousand year rule of Jesus and the Saints is absolute proof of that. Notice how After Evil is released back on the earth again all those who were born and raised with only Good existing in that kingdom, turn and begin to makes war with Jesus and the Saints,and come against them at Jerusalem. Scripture shows, we must be kept by God's Spirit itself, in order to not do evil, therefore it says 'The LORD BLESS YOU “AND” KEEP YOU, now if we could do it ourselves, by are so-called “freewill” choices then, why would we even need the God Spirit to abide in us for ever, in the first place. Common Sense should tell us that. The reason it must abide in us “FOREVER” is because Evil will always exist and we must be Kept by God in order to not commit evil or let it influence us , just as it must be Now, “FREE” WILL Choices have nothing to do with it , it is GODS the FATHER SPIRIT, that has everything to do with our Choices, and that is not a “FREE” WILL working at all, but but God's Spirit influencing our Choices working in us>
Scripture says , Rom 3:12….> there is “NONE” righteous, no not “ONE”, (11) There is “NONE” that understands, there is “NONE” that seeks after God. (12) They are “ALL” gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is “NONE” that does “GOOD”, no, “NOT ONE”.
We are Justified to life not by our so-called FREEWILL Choices but by our Faith in Jesus Christ ,
Rom 3:24….> Being justified “FREELY” by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus (25) Whom “GOD” has set forth to be a “propitiation” through faith in his blood, to declare his (GOD”S) righteousness for the “REMISSION” of Sins that are past, through the forbearance of GOD. (26) To declare, I say at this time His (God's) righteousness: that he (GOD) might be just, and the justifier of him which believes in Jesus.
So then not so-called “FREEWILL” Choices here, why? Rom 3:27…> Where is “boasting” (by freewill choices”) it is excluded by what LAW? of WORKS “NO” but by the law of “FAITH” and Faith is no a Choice, it is a Gift from GOD. Therefore, it is a work of God, from start to finish. Man will is totally excluded , because it all, is a work of God himself and God himself will get “ALL” the Credit for our salvation, it has nothing to do with our choices, but God's Choice. IMO
peace and love to you all…………………….gene
Hi Gene:
Quote 1Jo 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.1Jo 3:3
And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.1Jo 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1Jo 3:5
And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.1Jo 3:6
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.1Jo 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.1Jo 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.1Jo 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Tools specific to 1Jo 3:10
1Jo 3:10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Quote Rom 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?Love in Christ,
MartyHi Pierre:
Because Adam and Eve obeyed the serpent rather than God, the spirit of disobedience to God's commandments, or sin, entered into the world, and now, the temptation to do evil comes through man.
Quote Pro 1:10
My son, if sinners entice thee, consent thou not.Quote Rom 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:Love in Christ,
MartyMarty………All of that Marty is a WORK of GOD, not of a mans so-called “freewill choices, there exists no such thing as a will the is free, but wills that are influenced by spirits, IMO. Now if the spirit of God be in you, you will be influenced by it, and your fruits or works will come from that Spirit, that is working in you. Now if it is the Spirit of God, then you will walk, as He does.
Remember what it says it is not of him that WILLS, but of God that calls. and again Jesus said not my will but they will be done, and again “thy Kingdom come “thy Will” be done” and again Paul says “I find no good thing in my body for to “WILL” is Present with me.
Marty we are being “CREATED,” unto Good works, it has nothing to do with our own so-called wills, that are “FREE” because no such thing exists as a Will that is “FREE”, If we had the capacity to Chose to live Gods way, we would not need God to do that , but the fact is we can't, without God himself guiding us, and Keeping our minds by his spirit working in us. IMO
peace and love to you and your brother……………………………….gene
Quote (942767 @ Feb. 05 2014,22:19) To whom is God speaking when He renders judgement in the scripture below:
Quote Gen 3:13
And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.Gen 3:14
And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty,Satan and the serpent both though there are still flying snakes.
Other parts of Scripture call Satan the ancient serpent or declare he was the serpent that struck the hell of Eve's offspring and whose head was crushed by that offspring.
Quote (942767 @ Feb. 05 2014,22:19) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 06 2014,02:41) Marty Quote No, Pierre: God did not create evil, He created all of the angels, and mankind, and apparently the serpent with a free will, and therefore, the serpent tempted Eve, and in doing so, became Satan which Adversary, God's adversary, and one whom tempts the entire human race to do evil.
the serpent is a animal it as nothing to do with it he was used in a purpose of the one hiding behind ;Rev 20:2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.
so it was the angel in Eden that tempted Eve ;Eze 28:13 You were in Eden,
the garden of God;
every precious stone adorned you:
ruby, topaz and emerald,
chrysolite, onyx and jasper,
sapphire, turquoise and beryl.
Your settings and mountings were made of gold;
on the day you were created they were prepared.
Eze 28:14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for so I ordained you.
You were on the holy mount of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
Eze 28:15 You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.this is Satan the adversary of God he is the creator of evil
Hi Pierre:I know that the serpent is an animal, but I posted the scripture that says that God created or made the serpent. Can't you read? Why do you want to argue the scriptures when it plainly states that God created this animal or beast.
You want to add your opinion that the serpent was used, but that is not what the scriptures state.
To whom is God speaking when He renders judgement in the scripture below:
Quote Gen 3:13
And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.Gen 3:14
And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyQuote To whom is God speaking when He renders judgement in the scripture below:
Gen 3:14
And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
God was talking to Satan the one that uses the animal to deceive ,
now I know what you going to say to me that is not what scriptures says right
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 06 2014,05:59) Quote (942767 @ Feb. 05 2014,22:19) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 06 2014,02:41) Marty Quote No, Pierre: God did not create evil, He created all of the angels, and mankind, and apparently the serpent with a free will, and therefore, the serpent tempted Eve, and in doing so, became Satan which Adversary, God's adversary, and one whom tempts the entire human race to do evil.
the serpent is a animal it as nothing to do with it he was used in a purpose of the one hiding behind ;Rev 20:2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.
so it was the angel in Eden that tempted Eve ;Eze 28:13 You were in Eden,
the garden of God;
every precious stone adorned you:
ruby, topaz and emerald,
chrysolite, onyx and jasper,
sapphire, turquoise and beryl.
Your settings and mountings were made of gold;
on the day you were created they were prepared.
Eze 28:14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for so I ordained you.
You were on the holy mount of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
Eze 28:15 You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.this is Satan the adversary of God he is the creator of evil
Hi Pierre:I know that the serpent is an animal, but I posted the scripture that says that God created or made the serpent. Can't you read? Why do you want to argue the scriptures when it plainly states that God created this animal or beast.
You want to add your opinion that the serpent was used, but that is not what the scriptures state.
To whom is God speaking when He renders judgement in the scripture below:
Quote Gen 3:13
And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.Gen 3:14
And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyQuote To whom is God speaking when He renders judgement in the scripture below:
Gen 3:14
And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
God was talking to Satan the one that uses the animal to deceive ,
now I know what you going to say to me that is not what scriptures says right
The scripture states that God was speaking to the serpent.And so, right the scriptures do not say that.
Love in Christ,
MartyMarty
Quote The scripture states that God was speaking to the serpent. And so, right the scriptures do not say that.
Love in Christ,
Martywhat kind of animal you think the serpent was I mean physically ,sins he was on the tree
To all ……..Remember Genesis is full of “SYMBOLIC” and “METAPHORIC” language , like the book of Revelation is.
Like the word Tree………is not a physical tree, but means (that which brings forth from self) IMO
Like the word Eat……….is a “metaphor” for (that which one take to hims or her self) IMO
The serpent could also be a Metaphor for a spirit of some kind. Man has a propensity of rebellion already in him, he is called a Worm in some scriptures like where it say of Jacob (thy worm Jacob) and of course a worm does eat dust or dirt, also Jesus said, describing people who do not cast off whats preventing them from going into the kingdom of God, it say they will be cast into the fire where their “WORM” dies not, (and as a result), the Fire is not quenched. So go figure, there seem to be a worm side of man, Metaphorically speaking anyway. IMO
We need to be careful drawing conclusions based on scriptures the are written in a Symbolic and Metaphoric language, it is the cause of much debate and divisions. We can speculate but until full disclosure comes, we need to take those speculations with a grain of salt IMO. Were still all learning and hopefully growing, and a time will come, when every thing written will be put in perfect order and given full understanding to us all. So until then we should not get caught up in to much debate, and remember where it says “no one has all knowledge” and all truth and all the understanding either, except God. IMO
peace and love to you all……………………………….gene
Gene,
I agree that God can and does use evil, but disagree that God can be the source or creator of evil.Wm
God as to do nothing to men or angels evilness it will just developed in a progressive way left unchecked it has no limit of corruption ,
God only control it so that it is not cut in ,in his plan ,we also can notice that the evil in this world goes from one end to the other all depending were you are looking ,it also seems that in some countries there is little evil ,and it seems much good is done ,this could be that THE EVIL ONE AS CHANGE HIMSELF INTO A ANGEL OF LIGHT ,???
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 06 2014,23:09) To all ……..Remember Genesis is full of “SYMBOLIC” and “METAPHORIC” language , like the book of Revelation is. Like the word Tree………is not a physical tree, but means (that which brings forth from self) IMO
Like the word Eat……….is a “metaphor” for (that which one take to hims or her self) IMO
The serpent could also be a Metaphor for a spirit of some kind. Man has a propensity of rebellion already in him, he is called a Worm in some scriptures like where it say of Jacob (thy worm Jacob) and of course a worm does eat dust or dirt, also Jesus said, describing people who do not cast off whats preventing them from going into the kingdom of God, it say they will be cast into the fire where their “WORM” dies not, (and as a result), the Fire is not quenched. So go figure, there seem to be a worm side of man, Metaphorically speaking anyway. IMO
We need to be careful drawing conclusions based on scriptures the are written in a Symbolic and Metaphoric language, it is the cause of much debate and divisions. We can speculate but until full disclosure comes, we need to take those speculations with a grain of salt IMO. Were still all learning and hopefully growing, and a time will come, when every thing written will be put in perfect order and given full understanding to us all. So until then we should not get caught up in to much debate, and remember where it says “no one has all knowledge” and all truth and all the understanding either, except God. IMO
peace and love to you all……………………………….gene
GeneB.The tree of knowledge, and the tree of life; they are physical
for Adam; but also have a spiritual meaning.
The serpent is physical for adam.
At that time ,Adam did not know anything about the spiritual.Isaiah 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock:
***and dust shall be the serpent's meat***.
They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.Dust shall be the serpent's meat.
This has a deeper meaning to it.wakeup.
CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHICH SERPENT LIVES ON DUST
Ge 3:14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,
“Cursed are you above all the livestock
and all the wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.
Ge 3:15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel.”CAN ANYONE TELL ME ANY SNAKE THAT AS ENMITY WITH A WOMEN
DOES THE SERPENT IS CURSED ABOVE ALL LIVE STOCK AND WILD ANIMALS ;WOULD THIS MEAN THAT ALL THE OTHER ANIMALS WERE ALREADY CURSED
BUT THAT THE SERPENT WAS TO BE CURSED MORE
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