Why don&#39;t christians believe tha god sent muhammad

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Speaking of Morman

I had an experience regarding Mormanism a couple years back,

I had a book of Morman on a shelf in amongst many other books,

Something got me thinking about Mormanism, probably something id read or seen on tv, so I asked God in prayer if being a Morman was for me, and to please show me if it was.
Very next morning, I went out for my morning coffee where I always sit, and on my seat was I couldnt believe it- The book of Morman with a flower, from my little son. Ha! He had picked it out from amongst all those books and put it there and he said happy mothers day (It wasnt even mothers day). (and its not something he usually did either)

And theres other things that happened too

I will tell you the deeper someone digs into Christianity the will be led to Islam, I too read the book of Mormon and the books of the Jehovah Witnesses which are Very Islamic in nature. After all of this is when I found Islam because in Islam I was free from the division of all the denominations and could finally embrace the Brotherhood/Sisterhood of all mankind.

So to me quibbling over semantics is a waste of our time.

Why do atheist try to tell believers about what we feel for Jesus when they have relegated the authority and love of Jesus to be meaningless to them.

The fact is I see people like KM as true believers who constantly seeks to find the common ground, this is Islam

I agree, just look at all the different views over in believers place! I think to be born and raised in Islam would be much easier though than being born and raised in Christianity, then thinking about Islam, to follow what the heart says, or the head says- so confusing.

In Islam the head and the heart become one because both are given to ALLAH as it is the greatest commandment to love God with ALL of your HEART, ALL of your SOUL and ALL of your MIND.

There is no confusion.

Christians cannot agree on the nature of God, the number of persons of God, the relations of God…etc

How can you give ALL to God when the belief is so fractured?

Even when they talk to each other it is difficult because someone will be talking to you about God and suddenly you realize they are talking about Jesus calling him “God”

There is none of this confusion in Islam.

January 30, 2010 at 5:50 pm#174552

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Why is it so important for Christians to deny Muhammad Prophethood? Is there any scripture in the Bible that says Christ is the Final Prophet?

Hi BD:

Jesus is the head of the church at the right hand of God our Father, and without his death, burial and resurrection there is no resurrection from the dead.

God could not have said one thing in the bible and another in the Quran, and that is why Christians cannot accept that Muhammad was a true prophet of God.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Amen Marty.

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T8 doesn't that second sentence say

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All who came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.

How does this apply to Muhammad who was after Jesus? Was Muhammad wrong for turning away his people from Idols and turning them towards God Almighty?

The Quran is Pro-Christ and anyone who denies this is not being truthful.

January 30, 2010 at 5:55 pm#174553

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Speaking of Morman

I had an experience regarding Mormanism a couple years back,

I had a book of Morman on a shelf in amongst many other books,

And theres other things that happened too

So to me quibbling over semantics is a waste of our time.

Why do atheist try to tell believers about what we feel for Jesus when they have relegated the authority and love of Jesus to be meaningless to them.

The fact is I see people like KM as true believers who constantly seeks to find the common ground, this is Islam

To k.

We will all do what our heart desires in the end.

Not all are of the truth however. We know the sons of God as they are the ones who are led by the Spirit. Not all are led by the Spirit. But it is ultimately our own choice what we decide.

She said she was drawn to Islam and I do believe she has the Holy Spirit

Yet, I ask you what do you say to people who strongly believe that God is a trinity and that Jesus is God are you saying that they are led by the Holy Spirit? Do you believe that the Holy Spirit leads people to the conclusion that God is 3 or that God is 1?

January 30, 2010 at 6:18 pm#174557

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Why is it so important for Christians to deny Muhammad Prophethood? Is there any scripture in the Bible that says Christ is the Final Prophet?

Hi BD:

Jesus is the head of the church at the right hand of God our Father, and without his death, burial and resurrection there is no resurrection from the dead.

God could not have said one thing in the bible and another in the Quran, and that is why Christians cannot accept that Muhammad was a true prophet of God.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Amen Marty.

Hi t8:

Amen brother,

And so, having preached the truth, there is nothing left for us to do but pray.

Love in Christ,
Marty

The Quran does not preach against God's anointed in any way. Jesus is The Christ.

January 30, 2010 at 9:10 pm#174573

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The Quran does not preach against God's anointed in any way.

Then why does it teach to hate the Jews?
Are they Not God's anointed?

January 31, 2010 at 12:50 am#174595

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The Quran does not preach against God's anointed in any way.

Then why does it teach to hate the Jews?
Are they Not God's anointed?

The Quran teaches no such thing:

In-fact if what you say is true then why do they call Jesus who is a Jew “Messiah/Christ” isn't it true that Jews have been persecuted and hated by Christians blaming them for the death of Christ?

Don't you and people like T8 and nick believe that every Jew is destined for hell because every orthodox Jew living today DENIES that Jesus is CHRIST and most call him a false prophet.

Yet you have a problem with those who agree that Jesus is Christ.

So tell me ED are you willing to call every Jew antichrist based on the fact that they deny Jesus as Christ?

January 31, 2010 at 7:15 am#174648

Stu

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Both the Judeo-christian and islamic books of mythology have vitriolic descriptions that outline those who deserve to be punished by fire.

I don't think anyone is going to hell (whatever the hell it is supposed to be anyway).

Abrahamism: The suite of religions for the vindictive.

Stuart

January 31, 2010 at 10:02 am#174666

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
http://www.israelversusjudaism.org/
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/

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The Quran does not preach against God's anointed in any way.

Then why does it teach to hate the Jews?
Are they Not God's anointed?

The remnant?

January 31, 2010 at 10:43 am#174669

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In Islam the head and the heart become one because both are given to ALLAH as it is the greatest commandment to love God with ALL of your HEART, ALL of your SOUL and ALL of your MIND.

There is no confusion.

Christians cannot agree on the nature of God, the number of persons of God, the relations of God…etc

How can you give ALL to God when the belief is so fractured?

Even when they talk to each other it is difficult because someone will be talking to you about God and suddenly you realize they are talking about Jesus calling him “God”

There is none of this confusion in Islam.

34Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together.
35One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:
36“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’
38This is the first and greatest commandment.

39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’
40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

January 31, 2010 at 11:00 am#174670

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
http://www.israelversusjudaism.org/
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/

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The Quran does not preach against God's anointed in any way.

Then why does it teach to hate the Jews?
Are they Not God's anointed?

The remnant?

Oh and I forgot this one

http://www.nkusa.org/

January 31, 2010 at 6:39 pm#174709

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/antisem….ann.cfm

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The Quran does not preach against God's anointed in any way.

Then why does it teach to hate the Jews?
Are they Not God's anointed?

ED,

Torah believing Jews are not Zionists, The Zionists are the synagogue of Satan

THE ROLE OF ZIONISM IN THE HOLOCAUST
Article by Rabbi Gedalya Liebermann – Australia
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“Spiritually and Physically Responsible ”

From its' inception, many rabbis warned of the potential dangers of Zionism and openly declared that all Jews loyal to G-d should stay away from it like one would from fire. They made their opinions clear to their congregants and to the general public. Their message was that Zionism is a chauvinistic racist phenomenon which has absolutely naught to do with Judaism. They publicly expressed that Zionism would definitely be detrimental to the well being of Jews and Gentiles and that its effects on the Jewish religion would be nothing other than destructive. Further, it would taint the reputation of Jewry as a whole and would cause utter confusion in the Jewish and non-Jewish communities. Judaism is a religion. Judaism is not a race or a nationality. That was and still remains the consensus amongst the rabbis.

We were given the Holy Land by G-d in order to be able to study and practice the Torah without disturbance and to attain levels of holiness difficult to attain outside of the Holy Land. We abused the privilege and we were expelled. That is exactly what all Jews say in their prayers on every Jewish festival, “Umipnay chatoenu golinu mayartsaynu” – “Because of our sins we were expelled from our land”.

We have been forsworn by G-d “not to enter the Holy Land as a body before the predestined time”, “not to rebel against the nations”, to be loyal citizens, not to do anything against the will of any nation or its honour, not to seek vengeance, discord, restitution or compensation; “not to leave exile ahead of time.” On the contrary; we have to be humble and accept the yoke of exile. To violate the oaths would result in “your flesh will be made prey as the deer and the antelope in the forest,” and the redemption will be delayed.

(Talmud Tractate Ksubos p. 111a).

To violate the oaths is not only a sin, it is a heresy because it is against the fundamentals of our Belief. Only through complete repentance will the Almighty alone, without any human effort or intervention, redeem us from exile. This will be after G-d will send the prophet Elijah and Moshiach who will induce all Jews to complete repentance. At that time there will be universal peace.

THE UNHEEDED CRY

Read the gripping story of Rabbi Weissmandl, valiant holocaust leader who battled both Allied indifference and Nazi hatred.
Available in our BookstoreAll of the leading Jewish religious authorities of that era predicted great hardship to befall humanity generally and the Jewish People particularly, as a result of Zionism. To be a Jew means that either one is born to a Jewish mother or converts to the religion with the condition that he or she make no reservations with regard to Jewish Law. Unfortunately there are many Jews who have no inkling whatsoever as to the duties of a Jew. Many of them are not to blame, for in many cases they lacked a Jewish education and upbringing. But there are those who deliberately distort the teachings of our tradition to suit their personal needs. It is self understood that not just anyone has the right or the ability to make a decision regarding the philosophy or law of a religion. Especially matters in which that person has no qualification. It follows then that those individuals who “decided” that Judaism is a nationality are to be ignored and even criticized. It is no secret that the founders of Zionism had never studied Jewish Law nor did they express interest in our holy tradition. They openly defied Rabbinical authority and self-appointed themselves as leaders of the Jewish “nation”. In Jewish history, actions like those have always spelled disaster. To be a Jew and show open defiance of authority or to introduce “amendment” or “innovation” without first consulting with those officially appointed as Jewish spiritual leaders is the ideal equation to equal catastrophe. One can not just decide to “modernize” ancient traditions or regulations. The spiritual leaders of contemporary Judaism better known as Orthodox rabbis have received ordination to judge and interpret matters pertaining to the Jewish faith. These rabbis have received their rights and responsibilities and form a link in the unbroken chain of the Jewish tradition dating all the way back to Moses who received the Torah from Almighty G-d Himself. It was these very rabbis who, at the time of the formation of the Zionist movement, foresaw the pernicious outcome that was without a doubt lined up. It was a man possessing outstanding Judaic genius, and a level of uncontested holiness who enunciated the Jewish stance regarding Zionism.

Grand Rebbe TeitelbaumThis charismatic individual, the Rebbe of Satmar, Grand Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum, did not mince any words. Straight to the point he called Zionism “the work of Satan”, “a sacrilege” and “a blasphemy”. He forbade any participation with anything even remotely associated with Zionism and said that Zionism was bound to call the wrath of G-d upon His people. He maintained this stance with unwavering bravery from the onset of Zionism whilst he was still in Hungary up until his death in New York where he lead a congregation numbering in the hundreds of thousands. Grand Rabbi Teitelbaum, scion to a legacy of holy mystics and Hassidic Masters unfortunately had his prediction fulfilled. We lost more than six million of our brothers, sisters, sons and daughters in a very horrible manner. This, more than six million holy people had to experience as punishment for the Zionist stupidity. The Holocaust, he wept, was a direct result of Zionism, a punishment from G-d.

IT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT ALL THE SAGES AND SAINTS IN EUROPE AT THE TIME OF HITLER'S RISE DECLARED THAT HE WAS A MESSENGER OF DIVINE WRATH, SENT TO CHASTEN THE JEWS BECAUSE OF THE BITTER APOSTASY OF ZIONISM AGAINST THE BELIEF IN THE EVENTUAL MESSIANIC REDEMPTION.

But it doesn't end there. It wasn't enough for the Zionist leaders to have aroused the wrath of G-d. They made a point of displaying abysmal contempt for their Jewish brothers and sisters by actively participating in their extermination. Just the idea alone of Zionism, which the rabbis had informed them would cause havoc, was not enough for them. They made an effort to pour fuel on an already burning flame. They had to incite the Angel of Death, Adolf Hitler. They took the liberty of telling the world that they represented World Jewry. Who appointed these individuals as leaders of the Jewish People?? It is no secret that these so-called “leaders” were ignoramuses when it came to Judaism. Atheists and racists too. These are the “statesmen” who organized the irresponsible boycott against Germany in 1933. This boycott hurt Germany like a fly attacking an elephant – but it brought calamity upon the Jews of Europe. At a time when America and England were at peace with the mad-dog Hitler, the Zionist “statesmen” forsook the only plausible method of political amenability; and with their boycott incensed the leader of Germany to a frenzy. Genocide began, but these peo
ple, if they can really be classified as members of the human race, sat back.

“No Shame”

President Roosevelt convened the Evian conference July 6-15 1938, to deal with the Jewish refugee problem. The Jewish Agency delegation headed by Golda Meir (Meirson) ignored a German offer to allow Jews to emigrate to other countries for $250 a head, and the Zionists made no effort to influence the United States and the 32 other countries attending the conference to allow immigration of German and Austrian Jews. [Source]

On Feb 1, 1940 Henry Montor executive vice-President of the United Jewish Appeal refused to intervene for a shipload of Jewish refugees stranded on the Danube river, stating that “Palestine cannot be flooded with… old people or with undesirables.” [Source]

Read “The Millions That Could Have Been Saved” by I.DombIt is an historical fact that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all their property in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that: a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the Jews living there; and c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate of 1000 families daily.

The Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with the clear understanding that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination for the deportees was based on an agreement between the Gestapo and the Mufti.

The answer of the Zionist leaders was negative, with the following comments: a) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for the deportees. b) The European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a “Jewish State” at the end of the war. c) No ransom will be paid This response to the Gestapo's offer was made with the full knowledge that the alternative to this offer was the gas chamber.

These treacherous Zionist leaders betrayed their own flesh and blood. Zionism was never an option for Jewish salvation. Quite the opposite, it was a formula for human beings to be used as pawns for the power trip of several desperadoes. A perfidy! A betrayal beyond description!

In 1944, at the time of the Hungarian deportations, a similar offer was made, whereby all Hungarian Jewry could be saved. The same Zionist hierarchy again refused this offer (after the gas chambers had already taken a toll of millions).

The British government granted visas to 300 rabbis and their families to the Colony of Mauritius, with passage for the evacuees through Turkey. The “Jewish Agency” leaders sabotaged this plan with the observation that the plan was disloyal to Palestine, and the 300 rabbis and their families should be gassed.

On December 17, 1942 both houses of the British Parliament declared its readiness to find temporary refuge for endangered persons. The British Parliament proposed to evacuate 500,000 Jews from Europe, and resettle them in British colonies, as a part of diplomatic negotiations with Germany. This motion received within two weeks a total of 277 Parliamentary signatures. On Jan. 27, when the next steps were being pursued by over 100 M.P.'s and Lords, a spokesman for the Zionists announced that the Jews would oppose the motion because Palestine was omitted. [Source]

On Feb. 16, 1943 Roumania offered 70,000 Jewish refugees of the Trans-Dniestria to leave at the cost of $50 each. This was publicized in the New York papers. Yitzhak Greenbaum, Chairman of the Rescue Committee of the Jewish Agency, addressing the Zionist Executive Council in Tel Aviv Feb. 18 1943 said, “when they asked me, “couldn't you give money out of the United Jewish Appeal funds for the rescue of Jews in Europe, I said NO! and I say again, NO!…one should resist this wave which pushes the Zionist activities to secondary importance.” On Feb. 24, 1943 Stephen Wise, President of the American Jewish Congress and leader of the American Zionists issued a public refusal to this offer and declared no collection of funds would seem justified. In 1944, the Emergency Committee to Save the Jewish People called upon the American government to establish a War Refugee Board. Stephen Wise testifying before a special committee of Congress objected to this proposal. [Source]

During the course of the negotiations mentioned above, Chaim Weizman, the first “Jewish statesman” stated: “The most valuable part of the Jewish nation is already in Palestine, and those Jews living outside Palestine are not too important”. Weizman's cohort, Greenbaum, amplified this statement with the observation “One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe”.

And then, after the bitterest episode in Jewish history, these Zionist “statesmen” lured the broken refugees in the DP camps to remain in hunger and deprivation, and to refuse relocation to any place but Palestine; only for the purpose of building their State.

In 1947 Congressman William Stration sponsored a bill to immediately grant entry to the United States of 400,000 displaced persons. The bill was not passed after it was publicly denounced by the Zionist leadership. [Source]

These facts are read with consternation and unbearable shame. How can it be explained that at a time during the last phase of the war, when the Nazis were willing to barter Jews for money, partly because of their desires to establish contact with the Western powers which, they believed, were under Jewish influence, how was it possible one asks that the self-proclaimed “Jewish leaders” did not move heaven and earth to save the last remnant of their brothers?

On Feb. 23, 1956 the Hon. J. W. Pickersgill, Minister for Immigration was asked in the Canadian House of Commons “would he open the doors of Canada to Jewish refugees”. He replied “the government has made no progress in that direction because the government of Israel….does not wish us to do so”. [Source]

In 1972, the Zionist leadership successfully opposed an effort in the United States Congress to allow 20,000-30,000 Russian refugees to enter the United States. Jewish relief organizations, Joint and HIAS, were being pressured to abandon these refugees in Vienna, Rome and other Europiean cities. [Source]
The pattern is clear!!! Humanitarian rescue efforts are subverted to narrow Zionist interests.

There were many more shocking crimes committed by these abject degenerates known as “Jewish statesmen”, we could list many more example, but for the time being let anyone produce a valid excuse for the above facts.

Zionist responsibility for the Holocaust is threefold.

1. The Holocaust was a punishment for disrespecting The Three Oaths (see Talmud, Tractate Kesubos p. 111a).

2. Zionist leaders openly withheld support, both financially and otherwise, to save their fellow brothers and sisters from a cruel death.

3. The leaders of the Zionist movement cooperated with Hitler and his cohorts on many occasions and in many ways.

Zionists Offer a Military Alliance with Hitler

It would be wishful thinking if it could be stated that the leaders of the Zionist movement sat back and ignored the plight of their dying brothers and sisters. Not only did they publicly refuse to assist in their rescue, but they actively participated with Hitler and the Nazi regime. Early in 1935, a passenger ship bound for Haifa in Palestine left the German port of Bremerhaven. Its stern bore the Hebrew letter for its name, “Tel Aviv”, while a swastika banner fluttered from the mast. And although the ship was Zionist owned, its captain was a National Socialist Party (Nazi) member. Many years later a traveler aboard the ship recalled this symbolic combination as a “metaphysical absurdit
y”. Absurd or not, this is but one vignette from a little-known chapter of history: The wide ranging collaboration between Zionism and Hitler's Third Reich. In early January 1941 a small but important Zionist organization submitted a formal proposal to German diplomats in Beirut for a military-political alliance with wartime Germany. The offer was made by the radical underground “Fighters for the Freedom of Israel”, better known as the Lehi or Stern Gang. Its leader, Avraham Stern, had recently broken with the radical nationalist “National Military Organization” (Irgun Zvai Leumi – Etzel) over the group's attitude toward Britain, which had effectively banned further Jewish settlement of Palestine. Stern regarded Britain as the main enemy of Zionism.

This remarkable proposal “for the solution of the Jewish question in Europe and the active participation on the NMO [Lehi] in the war on the side of Germany” is worth quoting at some length:

“The NMO which is very familiar with the goodwill of the German Reich government and its officials towards Zionist activities within Germany and the Zionist emigration program takes the view that: 1.Common interests can exist between a European New Order based on the German concept and the true national aspirations of the Jewish people as embodied by the NMO. 2.Cooperation is possible between the New Germany and a renewed, folkish-national Jewry. 3.The establishment of the Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, and bound by treaty, with the German Reich, would be in the interest of maintaining and strengthening the future German position of power in the Near East.

“On the basis of these considerations, and upon the condition that the German Reich government recognize the national aspirations of the Israel Freedom Movement mentioned above, the NMO in Palestine offers to actively take part in the war on the side of Germany.

“This offer by the NMO could include military, political and informational activity within Palestine and, after certain organizational measures, outside as well. Along with this the “Jewish” men of Europe would be militarily trained and organized in military units under the leadership and command of the NMO. They would take part in combat operations for the purpose of conquering Palestine, should such a front be formed.

The Seventh Million

The Israelis and the Holocaust “The indirect participation of the Israel Freedom Movement in the New Order of Europe, already in the preparatory stage, combined with a positive-radical solution of the European-Jewish problem on the basis of the national aspirations of the Jewish people mentioned above, would greatly strengthen the moral foundation of the New Order in the eyes of all humanity.

“The cooperation of the Israel Freedom Movement would also be consistent with a recent speech by the German Reich Chancellor, in which Hitler stressed that he would utilize any combination and coalition in order to isolate and defeat England”.

(Original document in German Auswertiges Amt Archiv, Bestand 47-59, E224152 and E234155-58. Complete original text published in: David Yisraeli, The Palestinian Problem in German Politics 1889-1945 (Israel: 1947) pp. 315-317).

On the basis of their similar ideologies about ethnicity and nationhood, National Socialists and Zionists worked together for what each group believed was in its own national interests.

This is just one example of the Zionist movements' collaboration with Hitler for the purpose of possibly receiving jurisdiction over a minute piece of earth, Palestine.

And to top it all up, brainwashing!

How far this unbelievable Zionist conspiracy has captured the Jewish masses, and how impossible it is for any different thought to penetrate their minds, even to the point of mere evaluation, can be seen in the vehemence of the reaction to any reproach. With blinded eyes and closed ears, any voice raised in protest and accusation is immediately suppressed and deafened by the thousandfold cry: “Traitor,” “Enemy of the Jewish People.”

Source for paragraphs marked “[Source]”: The Wall Street Journal December 2, 1976

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January 31, 2010 at 10:03 pm#174769

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ED,

Torah believing Jews are not Zionists

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I know that is why (a sign of maturity) you have asked for everybody’s input in these matters,
with everybody’s input here I know you will be able to know what our “GOD” (YHVH) wants you to do.
I believe you will make the right choice, because HE works inside you as well as inside all us!

The right choice has indeed been made! You are no longer allowed to 'pollute'
the believers section with all your satanic propaganda!

January 31, 2010 at 10:15 pm#174771

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 01 2010,05:39)

ED,

Torah believing Jews are not Zionists

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 13 2009,13:55)

The right choice has indeed been made! You are no longer allowed to 'pollute'
the believers section with all your satanic propaganda!

Ed, you are saying these Torah believing Jews are just satanic propaganda? Why?
It was actually me that started that, Bd just added to it. So attack me ok.

January 31, 2010 at 10:20 pm#174774

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 01 2010,05:39)

ED,

Torah believing Jews are not Zionists

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 13 2009,13:55)

The right choice has indeed been made! You are no longer allowed to 'pollute'
the believers section with all your satanic propaganda!

Are you saying that Jews against Zionism are incorrect about their own religion and history?

Did you even go to any of the links Karmarie provided?

January 31, 2010 at 10:31 pm#174779

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Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2010,09:03)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 01 2010,05:39)

ED,

Torah believing Jews are not Zionists

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 13 2009,13:55)

The right choice has indeed been made! You are no longer allowed to 'pollute'
the believers section with all your satanic propaganda!

Are you saying that Jews against Zionism are incorrect about their own religion and history?

Did you even go to any of the links Karmarie provided?

Hi BD,

Not at all interested in satanic propaganda!
The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.

You gave up on me and you having a bible study together.
In it you could have offered your views along with “One Question”.
It's to bad, because you might have learned something about God.

Ed J

January 31, 2010 at 10:46 pm#174786

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Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2010,09:03)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 01 2010,05:39)

ED,

Torah believing Jews are not Zionists

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 13 2009,13:55)

The right choice has indeed been made! You are no longer allowed to 'pollute'
the believers section with all your satanic propaganda!

Are you saying that Jews against Zionism are incorrect about their own religion and history?

Did you even go to any of the links Karmarie provided?

Hi BD,

Not at all interested in satanic propaganda!
The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.

You gave up on me and you having a bible study together.
In it you could have offered your views along with “One Question”.
It's to bad, because you might have learned something about God.

Ed J

I dont mean to interfair Ed but I thought the discussions between you and Bod were interesting, why did they stop?

February 1, 2010 at 12:08 am#174788

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Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2010,09:31)

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Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2010,09:03)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 01 2010,05:39)

ED,

Torah believing Jews are not Zionists

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 13 2009,13:55)

The right choice has indeed been made! You are no longer allowed to 'pollute'
the believers section with all your satanic propaganda!

Are you saying that Jews against Zionism are incorrect about their own religion and history?

Did you even go to any of the links Karmarie provided?

Hi BD,

Not at all interested in satanic propaganda!
The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.

You gave up on me and you having a bible study together.
In it you could have offered your views along with “One Question”.
It's to bad, because you might have learned something about God.

Ed J

I dont mean to interfair Ed but I thought the discussions between you and Bod were interesting, why did they stop?

Hi Karmarie,

Because instead of BD wanting to learn about God, he
seems 'only' interested in propagating the 'book of fraud'.

I'm saddened that you are beginning to drift farther and farther into it as well.
I did read a lot of it, but had to put it down because of the satanic nature of it.

Ed J

February 1, 2010 at 12:40 am#174795

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Well I think it would of been fairer if Bod had still been allowed in the believers place, but rather that quoting from the Quran should of been stopped.

Thrown out for believing in another perception of Jesus

-And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him:

-Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful. Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

To close the door to him was sad and all it has done for me is prove something I always knew anyway.
No wonder he has stood by his faith even more.

February 1, 2010 at 12:42 am#174796