Why don't christians believe tha god sent muhammad

[bodhitharta]

Quote (JustAskin @ May 22 2010,23:21)

Bod, God's said to Moses, “I am that I am” or others translate it: 'I will Be What I Will Be'. This is not what one actually says. God went on to say, 'therefore, tell them (The Hebrews) that 'I Am' ('I Will Be') has sent you'. He then went on to say, 'This is my name for everlasting'. That is quite emphatic, I think. But, that name spoken to Moses is a statement of completeness, of totality, of unshakeable firmness: – He Is What He Is (and there can be nothing more, God, All in All). – He Has Always Been What He Will Be. – He Will Always Be What He Has Was. Names meant something in times past. It wasn't given willynilly like today. God's name is not pronounced 'YHVH' in English because that is Hebrew. As in any language, things are either adopted or translated. In English, it was chosen by some to translate it as Jehovah, others say, Yehovah. Because it didn't sit comfortably with the English speaking nations, the English translation, 'I Am' is not widely used. It feels uncomfortable because saying 'I am' is an every day term and hence doesn't fit against the feeling if calling God's name out of sorts. For this reason also, Trinitarians try to use 'I Am' as proof that Jesus is God, because Jesus said, once, 'I Am', meaning, 'I have been', 'I Was', 'I existed'… Further, everytime Jesus said 'I am…' in the Beatitudes, trinis claim that he was further proving that he was God (Note the use of 'was God'…I wonder what happened then…was God..is God…was God…is God…) So, Yahweh, Jehovah, God, is the common English way of refering to 'Him', God the Father. But, of course, this brings into contention other places where the 'TITLE' of 'God' is used relating to other persons, Men of Might, Angels of Power, who are also refered to as 'gods'. Trinitarians should now be thoroughly confused as now God is/always is God, Jesus was/is sometimes God and all men of power and Angels are also Gods…so they spin their way out of the latter aspect and never respond. And for the Jesus anomoly, they claim he was both God AND Man! Truly though, God's name is universally a translation of the Hebrew Tetragramaton: “YHVH”: Yahveh, Jehovah, 'I Am'. Interesting….Did Jesus speak his Father's name when reading the Scriptures in the Temple, or did he 'spellout' his Father's name or did he use 'LORD'? After all, it was only Jewish fear that made them stop actually pronouning  God's name: Did Jesus have that fear?

You mentioned the usage of names and how they meant something and what they meant usually referred to their Nature

God also said his name was Jealous do you disregard that very direct statement?

For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
Exodus 34:13-15

Exodus 23:20-22 (King James Version)

20Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.

21Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.

How do you think God's name is in him? It is his nature

This is why Islam addresses God with complete truth before each Chapter in The Quran

In the Name of ALLAH/The God, The Merciful, The Compassionate

here is something very interesting:

One of the names of Allah

Al-Quddoos

The Holy, The One who is pure from any imperfection and clear from children and adversaries

Now you admit yourself that Holy means set-apart so how can God have a son when He is far removed from such needs?

The Bible states something remarkable:

And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
Isaiah 6:2-4

This means that God is set-apart, set-apart and further still set-apart

another name of ALLAH

Al-Mu'min
Guardian of Faith, The One who witnessed for Himself that no one is God but Him. And He witnessed for His believers that they are truthful in their belief that no one is God but Him.

You asked also did Jesus have the fear of God?

Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
Hebrews 5:6-8

[bodhitharta]

Quote (JustAskin @ May 22 2010,23:59)

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Bod, There are not two 'separate' Lords and Saviours. Everything such as this is inituated from God. God, then delegated the duty to another – Jesus in this case.

Yes, and Jesus returned those he trained directly back to their One and Only LORD and Saviour when Jesus said this:

Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
John 15:14-16

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Imagine… If you are building a house, you say, ' I am building a house' Then you employ a builder and that builder ACTUALLY builds the house, brick by brick. Now ask the question: “who built the house”? Houseowner to friend, 'Do you like the house I JUST BUILT'… Housebuilder's family and friends to other friends,'Hey, there is that house HE BUILT?'..

Who OWNs the House, Who paid for the materials and Who has the right to destroy the House whenever He chooses? Who can also have many other houses built by many other builders? The Owner is the ONLY TRUE LORD

[karmarie]

Quote (bodhitharta @ May 23 2010,05:57)

So you don't believe that life will continue without end?

Bod, you didnt get it.

Its like iv always believed the only thing is I proved it using youngs literal translation.

People go to either punishment or peace for a time (not eternity)

(Why do we use punishment? Isnt it to try and teach a lesson, to correct bad behaviour?)

Then is the judgment

At judgment a final decision is made

Either eternal life or eternal death.

Just as the bible says.

Please read what I said again.

I also believe in Theosis or drawing ever closer to or further away from God as is in Eastern Orthodox beliefs. (look it up).

[karmarie]

Also, you asked Ja about God being Jealous dont you remember the word was translated wrong its supposed to say ZEALOUS which means something completly different. (you have a really bad memory). You should take fish oil and thiamine its good for memory:)

[karmarie]

Good point about the house Ja. Bod wont understand though?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (karmarie @ May 23 2010,10:34)

Also, you asked Ja about God being Jealous dont you remember the word was translated wrong its supposed to say ZEALOUS which means something completly different. (you have a really bad memory). You should take fish oil and thiamine its good for memory:)

So you agree that HIS name is ZEALOUS?

[karmarie]

God is Zealous… enthusiast interest zeal love fervor devoted intense pursuit warmth … I know God is Zealous.

Whats this got to do with Gods name? Everything.

I could give you a good or bad 'name' by saying good or bad things about you true?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (karmarie @ May 23 2010,12:13)

God is Zealous… enthusiast interest zeal love fervor devoted intense pursuit warmth … I know God is Zealous. Whats this got to do with Gods name? Everything. I could give you a good or bad 'name' by saying good or bad things about you true?

You said that the name of God is YHVH or “I will be” and I have shown you that the name of God is ZEALOUS.

Do you understand what I am teaching you?

[karmarie]

Hi.

Qanna.. (Zealous)

Qanna appears 6 times in the original text

YHVH (Or YHWH, Yahwey, Jehovah) appears 6518 times.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (karmarie @ May 23 2010,14:11)

Hi. Qanna.. (Zealous) Qanna appears 6 times in the original text YHVH (Or YHWH, Yahwey, Jehovah) appears 6518 times.

How many times is Elohim mentioned?

[bodhitharta]

By the way Elohim is the first mention of God in the Bible and it is the Hebrew version of the word ALLAH

[karmarie]

Hi.

Elohim is a title Allah is a Title

Elohim appears in Youngs literal this many times….0

http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword….ype=all

And here… 0

http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword….nend=73

Iv already said this here

http://www.yahweh.com/Booklets/Whois/Whois.htm

Your still avoiding something….Why do you choose to prostrate yourself to a god who tortures people forever ? Do you think thats ok?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (karmarie @ May 24 2010,09:04)

Hi. Elohim is a title Allah is a Title Elohim appears in Youngs literal this many times….0 http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword….ype=all And here… 0 http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword….nend=73 Iv already said this here http://www.yahweh.com/Booklets/Whois/Whois.htm Your still avoiding something….Why do you choose to prostrate yourself to a god who tortures people forever ? Do you think thats ok?

So Elohim is not God?

[bodhitharta]

In contrast to most of Mainstream Christianity, Latter-day Saints (Mormons) believe that God the Father is Elohim and Jesus Christ (the actual creator in Mormon view) is Jehovah, both of whom have physical tangible bodies of flesh and bone.

When one speaks of God, it is generally the Father who is referred to; that is, Elohim. All mankind are his children. The personage known as Jehovah in Old Testament times, and who is usually identified in the Old Testament as LORD (in capital letters), is the Son, known as Jesus Christ, and who is also a God. Jesus works under the direction of the Father and is in complete harmony with him. Many of the things that the scripture says were done “by God” were actually done by the LORD (Jesus).[10]

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[bodhitharta]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim

[karmarie]

What kind of a queston is that?  Elohim is not God (You ask)?..I dont get it.

I think your trying to set up a trap for me…:)

[karmarie]

God is a Spirit so when Mormans say theres 2 beings both with flesh and blood it doesnt fit scripture they also say after death we stay married to the same person forever keep on having kids well thats not scriptual. They have a lot of strange ideas. Best to stick with just the Bible.

[JustAskin]

Bod,

God, our God, has many names.

I'm inclined to 'trust' Jealous… God does not want to see us 'looking at other Gods'… geddit? We are his – his alone…just like a ….!
I don't see how 'Zealous' fits “God is Zealous if we look at other Gods”? But maybe I'm missing something – I'm open to be taught here.

As for God having a Son. God calls ALL Sentient creatures with Spirit “Sons” – all Angels are “Sons of God” but there are special angels that are higher Sons of God.

And Man is Son of God – if He follows in the ways of God, that is, if he HAS the Holy Spirit in Him.

Why should God want a Son? To glorify Him. To show how great He is. That he can allow another also to be great and wondrous and still remain that same glorified God.

I write Computer business applications and give them away free to my work colleagues – Even though the apps are works of my own hands and they glorify me in their execution they glorify me even more when someone else uses them.

Giving them away for free does not diminish my glory, in fact it enhances it because I have even more that I have NOT given away.

I would be Jealous if I saw someone else using a similar application and not mine … All I require is that when another application requires writing is that they remember ME to write it for them.

Now, Suppose I have an apprentice (Always Two there are: An Apprentice and a Master) What a wonderful thing that would be to see him follow my pattern of work, doing the exact same thing as me under my tutillage. That Apprentice, when qualified can carry on my original work while i go on to do even greater works.

That, New Master, in turns acquires apprentices to himself that I point out to him and that he recognises for himself and acquires his own Mastership…

Sound familiar – Ok, not totally but do you see AN Analogy anywhere?

What then is God giving away for Free – His Spirit to Man.
What does he require from Man? to offer back that Spirit to Him in dedicated Service
What God has given to man in freeness is only a minute part of what God can offer – indeed, he wants us to ask for more – look what Jesus did in his Flesh state: Walk on Water, Quell the Storm, kill a tree just because it didn't produce fruit when 'it' should have known he wanted it's fruit…(Bad fig tree!!) Made a thousand loaves of bread from one single loaf… go on?
God made us as gods – He gave us the ability to be LIKE HIM, 'In His Image' but wisely limited our ability to accommodate our fleshly state (Something Satan is striving to break down our bounds and make us Supermen – in our imagination, perhaps!)
We do great works in our flesh and glorify ourselves in it and require others to  glorify us: The Hero, the Athlete, the Head of State, the Company Boss, the Father, the head boy, the gang leader. And there is always an Apprentice, a 'SON', an Heir – the glorious Heir waiting (Sometimes NOT!!!) to acquire his inheritance and doing good works to maintain his hand on his inheritanace so that it is not removed from him and given to another…(For He takes away from the First in order to establish the Second: Adam-; Ishmael-Isaac; Esau-Jacob; Haman-Mordecai; Saul-David; -Jesus)

Similarly then, God requires of us – ONLY TO WORSHIP HIM (In [Holy] Spirit – for that is True Worship) – To Worship Him means dedicating to Him  our Spiritual life and giving Him Sacred and reverential service and,  by such, all other Godly things follow naturally: Love of our fellow; Union of Purpose; and all the rest of the ten commandments.

[JustAskin]

Bod, it might be wise NOT to delve into studying or even acknowledging 'pagan' Christian sects like Mormons – they are CLEARLY WRONG and deserve no place in Holy Scriptural debate – as wrong as, perhaps, discussing the rights and wrong of Mayan human Sacrifice to their Sun God.

There can be no good come from it except to show by way of the wrong, by WHAT NOT TO DO – it is very obvious that “IT IS / WAS WRONG” – and must never be Emulated – like Pentecostalism, Voodooism, uejiism, palmistry, Spiritism, the boogeyman, big foot,the Locness Monster and Trinitarianism.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (JustAskin @ May 24 2010,11:36)

Bod, God, our God, has many names. I'm inclined to 'trust' Jealous… God does not want to see us 'looking at other Gods'… geddit? We are his – his alone…just like a ….! I don't see how 'Zealous' fits “God is Zealous if we look at other Gods”? But maybe I'm missing something – I'm open to be taught here. As for God having a Son. God calls ALL Sentient creatures with Spirit “Sons” – all Angels are “Sons of God” but there are special angels that are higher Sons of God. And Man is Son of God – if He follows in the ways of God, that is, if he HAS the Holy Spirit in Him. Why should God want a Son? To glorify Him. To show how great He is. That he can allow another also to be great and wondrous and still remain that same glorified God. I write Computer business applications and give them away free to my work colleagues – Even though the apps are works of my own hands and they glorify me in their execution they glorify me even more when someone else uses them. Giving them away for free does not diminish my glory, in fact it enhances it because I have even more that I have NOT given away. I would be Jealous if I saw someone else using a similar application and not mine … All I require is that when another application requires writing is that they remember ME to write it for them. Now, Suppose I have an apprentice (Always Two there are: An Apprentice and a Master) What a wonderful thing that would be to see him follow my pattern of work, doing the exact same thing as me under my tutillage. That Apprentice, when qualified can carry on my original work while i go on to do even greater works. That, New Master, in turns acquires apprentices to himself that I point out to him and that he recognises for himself and acquires his own Mastership… Sound familiar – Ok, not totally but do you see AN Analogy anywhere? What then is God giving away for Free – His Spirit to Man. What does he require from Man? to offer back that Spirit to Him in dedicated Service What God has given to man in freeness is only a minute part of what God can offer – indeed, he wants us to ask for more – look what Jesus did in his Flesh state: Walk on Water, Quell the Storm, kill a tree just because it didn't produce fruit when 'it' should have known he wanted it's fruit…(Bad fig tree!!) Made a thousand loaves of bread from one single loaf… go on? God made us as gods – He gave us the ability to be LIKE HIM, 'In His Image' but wisely limited our ability to accommodate our fleshly state (Something Satan is striving to break down our bounds and make us Supermen – in our imagination, perhaps!) We do great works in our flesh and glorify ourselves in it and require others to  glorify us: The Hero, the Athlete, the Head of State, the Company Boss, the Father, the head boy, the gang leader. And there is always an Apprentice, a 'SON', an Heir – the glorious Heir waiting (Sometimes NOT!!!) to acquire his inheritance and doing good works to maintain his hand on his inheritanace so that it is not removed from him and given to another…(For He takes away from the First in order to establish the Second: Adam-; Ishmael-Isaac; Esau-Jacob; Haman-Mordecai; Saul-David; -Jesus) Similarly then, God requires of us – ONLY TO WORSHIP HIM (In [Holy] Spirit – for that is True Worship) – To Worship Him means dedicating to Him  our Spiritual life and giving Him Sacred and reverential service and,  by such, all other Godly things follow naturally: Love of our fellow; Union of Purpose; and all the rest of the ten commandments.

I agree and that was one of the best posts I have read is it all your work? It is brilliant!

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