Why don't christians believe tha god sent muhammad

[bodhitharta]

Quote (karmarie @ May 16 2010,12:37)

Hi Bod Quote (bodhitharta @ May 15 2010,13:29) Adultery is the act of a man having intercourse with another mans wife. “Matthew 5:27;..  “You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery.' But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Quote No I don't believe it is acceptable to behead someone for what they believe in and there is no compulsion for someone to believe in what I believe in . ok so if the Religeon which you follow the Quran which you believe says the last days wont happen untill all are forced to convert to Islam or face being beheaded, (forgive me if I have that wrong) do you not accept those parts of the Quran then? take some leave the rest? (I could paste those verses again if you want.) Quote I never said the commandments were not perfect I said that the commandments given to the Jews which far exceed 10 were not meant for you. God had already gave all of mankind the structure of law to Noah and they are the Noahide laws. Jesus taught the Word of God it was not his own doctrine. Stop trying to take God's Authority and Glory away from Him as if all mankind was floundering not knowing what to do and then Jesus was born and taught them something new. The Jews had already known how they were supposed to behave. Jesus was sent to those who were the lost sheep of Israel so that they could worship God and know God because the corrupt priests and politicians in that day were dishonest about God and what God wanted of them. Matthew 5:17-20;..“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Now behold, one came and said to Him, 'Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?' So He said to him, 'Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments'” (Matthew 19:16-17). “He who says, 'I know Him,' and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him” (1 John 2:4). And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Revelation 12:17. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Revelation 14:12. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. Revelation 22:14

First of all Adultery is to have sex with another mans wife or for that matter Master Jesus is saying even lusting after another mans wife, obviously any man looking at any woman with lust is not committing adultery otherwise a man could look at his own wife and commit adultery so let's really see things clearly.

Second of all, no such phrase is in the Quran as you showed it was taken from some outside source and I have shown you from the Quran that there is no compulsion in religion.

Third “commandments” is not a set term for the decalogue i.e. 10 commandments what you don't understand is that different people were issued different commands and I can prove to you that you don't accept “ALL” the commandments of God.

Do you believe in circumcision if so your husband and son should be circumcised and if not you should demand it.

If you keep the sabbath you should have not done any household chores including cooking from friday evening till saturday evening.

There are 613 commandments in the Torah Jews must keep them all and as you say Jesus didn't come to say “forget 603 of them just follow 10”

We also see that in the days of Noah the commandments were basically 7

These laws that were given to Noah were pretty much the same imposed on the gentiles because these were given to all mankind. Jesus did not come for the gentiles and so he is talking to the Jewish peoples about the commandments they were given.

When Jesus was born:

Luke 2:24 (King James Version)

24And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons

These sacrifices were offered for Jesus did you do these for your children?

[Laurel]

Quote (bodhitharta @ May 15 2010,10:28)

Quote (Laurel @ May 15 2010,08:54) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 13 2010,08:23) Quote (Laurel @ May 13 2010,05:48) Another thing B”, there is big difference between a person who does the will of YHWH and a person who boasts and say Do what ever i tell you to do.  There is only one Elohim and His Name one.  It is impossible to follow man “the vicer of christ (the pope)” and the Messiah Himself. Look at the catholic church who even forsakes the Sabbath. How can a catholic serve YHWH “and” the pope who claims to be in place of Messiah Yahuhsua? It is impossible! Choose one or the other! I know that following in the footsteps of Yahushua leads to YHWH, the pope is going to another place of his own imagination, thinking to change the times of YHWH. Actually you are incorrect no gentile need follow the laws of the Jews according to Paul: Acts 15:28-30 (King James Version) 28For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. Acts 15:19-20 (King James Version) 19Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. This is what Paul meant when he said: As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:8-10 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:7-9 The gentiles are not Jews and they are the uncircumcised: But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; Galatians 2:6-8 This was the gospel that was taught to the galatians and therefore Paul says: As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:8-10 So you preaching that a gentile should keep the Sabbath or any other Jewish law excepting what was told that pertained to them is preaching another Gospel which in this case is the gospel of the circumcised. No one must follow the Torah, Jew or Gentile, UNLESS they want to be in the Kingdom of Heaven! You “misunderstand” Shaul's words as do most Christians.  Shaul never said that we were exempt from keeping the Torah. He taught that our salvation comes from YHWH, and once we enter the covenant we too must keep the commands.  Yahuhsua the Messiah said it, “If you love Me keep My commands.” Enough said. I never met a Gentile who fully understood Shaul. Laurel, What does this mean? Acts 15:19-21 (King James Version) 19Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.” Acts 21:24-26

First off Shaul was never given any authority to add to or diminish from The Torah. It never changes, and there is one Torah for all of mankind. One Torah for all.

What Shaul is saying is that Gentiles should not be kept out of the places where the Jews worshipped. Because Jews did not associate with “dogs” as they were so called because of their “unleaness” according to Torah.

So what SHaul was saying is that there needs to be a beginning at which the Gentiles could come and learn and be a part of the Jewish life where is the worship of YHWH ELohim, the El of Isiac, Abraham, and Jacob.

To start wtih the Gentiles need to quit fornicating with other elohim, and worship only YHWH. They could be expected to quite offering to idols, in which they ate of those sacrifices. The food laws in Torah taught not to eat the blood from KOSHER animals, so this was good for the Gentiles to learn straight away, as well as not eating anything found dead, like road kill, or what ever dies of itself because these animals died with their blood and according to Torah, all the blood was supposed to drained out before consumption.

So SHaul is saying that the KOSHER laws are a good place for the Gentiles believers to start, and the Jews couldtherefore associate with them as long as they were learning to adhere to Torah, showing it by keeping Kosher, which means clean as far as food consumption.

This list was not exclusive, it was a good place to begin, and guess what the Jews could know who was being genuine about their belief, by whether they were keeping Kosher or not.

You will know them by their works.

Just to remind you, no man is allowed to add to the commands nor diminish from the commands, or this person is plainly a fraud.

Even the Messiah Himself taught Torah, and to adhere to it, as Torah is life to them who do it. I know it.

One Torah for all.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Laurel @ May 16 2010,14:47)

Quote (bodhitharta @ May 15 2010,10:28) Quote (Laurel @ May 15 2010,08:54) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 13 2010,08:23) Quote (Laurel @ May 13 2010,05:48) Another thing B”, there is big difference between a person who does the will of YHWH and a person who boasts and say Do what ever i tell you to do.  There is only one Elohim and His Name one.  It is impossible to follow man “the vicer of christ (the pope)” and the Messiah Himself. Look at the catholic church who even forsakes the Sabbath. How can a catholic serve YHWH “and” the pope who claims to be in place of Messiah Yahuhsua? It is impossible! Choose one or the other! I know that following in the footsteps of Yahushua leads to YHWH, the pope is going to another place of his own imagination, thinking to change the times of YHWH. Actually you are incorrect no gentile need follow the laws of the Jews according to Paul: Acts 15:28-30 (King James Version) 28For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. Acts 15:19-20 (King James Version) 19Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. This is what Paul meant when he said: As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:8-10 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:7-9 The gentiles are not Jews and they are the uncircumcised: But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; Galatians 2:6-8 This was the gospel that was taught to the galatians and therefore Paul says: As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:8-10 So you preaching that a gentile should keep the Sabbath or any other Jewish law excepting what was told that pertained to them is preaching another Gospel which in this case is the gospel of the circumcised. No one must follow the Torah, Jew or Gentile, UNLESS they want to be in the Kingdom of Heaven! You “misunderstand” Shaul's words as do most Christians.  Shaul never said that we were exempt from keeping the Torah. He taught that our salvation comes from YHWH, and once we enter the covenant we too must keep the commands.  Yahuhsua the Messiah said it, “If you love Me keep My commands.” Enough said. I never met a Gentile who fully understood Shaul. Laurel, What does this mean? Acts 15:19-21 (King James Version) 19Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.” Acts 21:24-26 First off Shaul was never given any authority to add to or diminish from The Torah. It never changes, and there is one Torah for all of mankind. One Torah for all. What Shaul is saying is that Gentiles should not be kept out of the places where the Jews worshipped. Because Jews did not associate with “dogs” as they were so called because of their “unleaness” according to Torah. So what SHaul was saying is that there needs to be a beginning at which the Gentiles could come and learn and be a part of the Jewish life where is the worship of YHWH ELohim, the El of Isiac, Abraham, and Jacob. To start wtih the Gentiles need to quit fornicating with other elohim, and worship only YHWH. They could be expected to quite offering to idols, in which they ate of those sacrifices.  The food laws in Torah taught not to eat the blood from KOSHER animals, so this was good for the Gentiles to learn straight away, as well as not eating anything found dead, like road kill, or what ever dies of itself because these animals died with their blood and according to Torah, all the blood was supposed to drained out before consumption. So SHaul is saying that the KOSHER laws are a good place for the Gentiles believers to start, and the Jews couldtherefore associate with them as long as they were learning to adhere to Torah, showing it by keeping Kosher, which means clean as far as food consumption. This list was not exclusive, it was a good place to begin, and guess what the Jews could know who was being genuine about their belief, by whether they were keeping Kosher or not. You will know them by their works. Just to remind you, no man is allowed to add to the commands nor diminish from the commands, or this person is plainly a fraud. Even the Messiah Himself taught Torah, and to adhere to it, as Torah is life to them who do it. I know it. One Torah for all.

So you say Paul is a fraud?

What you are saying is incorrect though Paul was not telling them that is a good place to start nor was he teaching them to convert to Judaism.

If he was telling them to convert they would no longer be considered gentiles they would be Jews ut Paul says:

But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Romans 2:9-11

So we see no attempt at conversion as you say if what you say were true these gentiles would have been asked to be circumcised for no one who follows Torah is uncircumcised.

[Laurel]

Quote (bodhitharta @ May 16 2010,15:22)

Quote (Laurel @ May 16 2010,14:47) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 15 2010,10:28) Quote (Laurel @ May 15 2010,08:54) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 13 2010,08:23) Quote (Laurel @ May 13 2010,05:48) Another thing B”, there is big difference between a person who does the will of YHWH and a person who boasts and say Do what ever i tell you to do.  There is only one Elohim and His Name one.  It is impossible to follow man “the vicer of christ (the pope)” and the Messiah Himself. Look at the catholic church who even forsakes the Sabbath. How can a catholic serve YHWH “and” the pope who claims to be in place of Messiah Yahuhsua? It is impossible! Choose one or the other! I know that following in the footsteps of Yahushua leads to YHWH, the pope is going to another place of his own imagination, thinking to change the times of YHWH. Actually you are incorrect no gentile need follow the laws of the Jews according to Paul: Acts 15:28-30 (King James Version) 28For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. Acts 15:19-20 (King James Version) 19Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. This is what Paul meant when he said: As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:8-10 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:7-9 The gentiles are not Jews and they are the uncircumcised: But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; Galatians 2:6-8 This was the gospel that was taught to the galatians and therefore Paul says: As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:8-10 So you preaching that a gentile should keep the Sabbath or any other Jewish law excepting what was told that pertained to them is preaching another Gospel which in this case is the gospel of the circumcised. No one must follow the Torah, Jew or Gentile, UNLESS they want to be in the Kingdom of Heaven! You “misunderstand” Shaul's words as do most Christians.  Shaul never said that we were exempt from keeping the Torah. He taught that our salvation comes from YHWH, and once we enter the covenant we too must keep the commands.  Yahuhsua the Messiah said it, “If you love Me keep My commands.” Enough said. I never met a Gentile who fully understood Shaul. Laurel, What does this mean? Acts 15:19-21 (King James Version) 19Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.” Acts 21:24-26 First off Shaul was never given any authority to add to or diminish from The Torah. It never changes, and there is one Torah for all of mankind. One Torah for all. What Shaul is saying is that Gentiles should not be kept out of the places where the Jews worshipped. Because Jews did not associate with “dogs” as they were so called because of their “unleaness” according to Torah. So what SHaul was saying is that there needs to be a beginning at which the Gentiles could come and learn and be a part of the Jewish life where is the worship of YHWH ELohim, the El of Isiac, Abraham, and Jacob. To start wtih the Gentiles need to quit fornicating with other elohim, and worship only YHWH. They could be expected to quite offering to idols, in which they ate of those sacrifices.  The food laws in Torah taught not to eat the blood from KOSHER animals, so this was good for the Gentiles to learn straight away, as well as not eating anything found dead, like road kill, or what ever dies of itself because these animals died with their blood and according to Torah, all the blood was supposed to drained out before consumption. So SHaul is saying that the KOSHER laws are a good place for the Gentiles believers to start, and the Jews couldtherefore associate with them as long as they were learning to adhere to Torah, showing it by keeping Kosher, which means clean as far as food consumption. This list was not exclusive, it was a good place to begin, and guess what the Jews could know who was being genuine about their belief, by whether they were keeping Kosher or not. You will know them by their works. Just to remind you, no man is allowed to add to the commands nor diminish from the commands, or this person is plainly a fraud. Even the Messiah Himself taught Torah, and to adhere to it, as Torah is life to them who do it. I know it. One Torah for all. So you say Paul is a fraud? What you are saying is incorrect though Paul was not telling them that is a good place to start nor was he teaching them to convert to Judaism. If he was telling them to convert they would no longer be considered gentiles they would be Jews ut Paul says: But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: Romans 2:9-11 So we see no attempt at conversion as you say if what you say were true these gentiles would have been asked to be circumcised for no one who follows Torah is uncircumcised.

Shaul was a genuine believer after his conversion from Phariseeisim (Orthodox Judaisim) to the True belief, which does not teach the man made commands and traditions, the Takanot and Ma'asim of the Pharisees, which are in opposition of the Torah of Mosheh.

It is men who twist Shaul's words to their own destruction and teach their twisted versions who are the counterfeits. Like
MOST Christian pastors, wolves in sheeps clothing, who teach contrary to Torah and the Messiah Yahushua, and YHWH Elohim.

I swear in the Name of YHWH this is the truth. Can you believe Him?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Laurel @ May 16 2010,15:45)

Quote (bodhitharta @ May 16 2010,15:22) Quote (Laurel @ May 16 2010,14:47) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 15 2010,10:28) Quote (Laurel @ May 15 2010,08:54) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 13 2010,08:23) Quote (Laurel @ May 13 2010,05:48) Another thing B”, there is big difference between a person who does the will of YHWH and a person who boasts and say Do what ever i tell you to do.  There is only one Elohim and His Name one.  It is impossible to follow man “the vicer of christ (the pope)” and the Messiah Himself. Look at the catholic church who even forsakes the Sabbath. How can a catholic serve YHWH “and” the pope who claims to be in place of Messiah Yahuhsua? It is impossible! Choose one or the other! I know that following in the footsteps of Yahushua leads to YHWH, the pope is going to another place of his own imagination, thinking to change the times of YHWH. Actually you are incorrect no gentile need follow the laws of the Jews according to Paul: Acts 15:28-30 (King James Version) 28For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. Acts 15:19-20 (King James Version) 19Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. This is what Paul meant when he said: As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:8-10 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:7-9 The gentiles are not Jews and they are the uncircumcised: But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; Galatians 2:6-8 This was the gospel that was taught to the galatians and therefore Paul says: As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:8-10 So you preaching that a gentile should keep the Sabbath or any other Jewish law excepting what was told that pertained to them is preaching another Gospel which in this case is the gospel of the circumcised. No one must follow the Torah, Jew or Gentile, UNLESS they want to be in the Kingdom of Heaven! You “misunderstand” Shaul's words as do most Christians.  Shaul never said that we were exempt from keeping the Torah. He taught that our salvation comes from YHWH, and once we enter the covenant we too must keep the commands.  Yahuhsua the Messiah said it, “If you love Me keep My commands.” Enough said. I never met a Gentile who fully understood Shaul. Laurel, What does this mean? Acts 15:19-21 (King James Version) 19Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.” Acts 21:24-26 First off Shaul was never given any authority to add to or diminish from The Torah. It never changes, and there is one Torah for all of mankind. One Torah for all. What Shaul is saying is that Gentiles should not be kept out of the places where the Jews worshipped. Because Jews did not associate with “dogs” as they were so called because of their “unleaness” according to Torah. So what SHaul was saying is that there needs to be a beginning at which the Gentiles could come and learn and be a part of the Jewish life where is the worship of YHWH ELohim, the El of Isiac, Abraham, and Jacob. To start wtih the Gentiles need to quit fornicating with other elohim, and worship only YHWH. They could be expected to quite offering to idols, in which they ate of those sacrifices.  The food laws in Torah taught not to eat the blood from KOSHER animals, so this was good for the Gentiles to learn straight away, as well as not eating anything found dead, like road kill, or what ever dies of itself because these animals died with their blood and according to Torah, all the blood was supposed to drained out before consumption. So SHaul is saying that the KOSHER laws are a good place for the Gentiles believers to start, and the Jews couldtherefore associate with them as long as they were learning to adhere to Torah, showing it by keeping Kosher, which means clean as far as food consumption. This list was not exclusive, it was a good place to begin, and guess what the Jews could know who was being genuine about their belief, by whether they were keeping Kosher or not. You will know them by their works. Just to remind you, no man is allowed to add to the commands nor diminish from the commands, or this person is plainly a fraud. Even the Messiah Himself taught Torah, and to adhere to it, as Torah is life to them who do it. I know it. One Torah for all. So you say Paul is a fraud? What you are saying is incorrect though Paul was not telling them that is a good place to start nor was he teaching them to convert to Judaism. If he was telling them to convert they would no longer be considered gentiles they would be Jews ut Paul says: But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: Romans 2:9-11 So we see no attempt at conversion as you say if what you say were true these gentiles would have been asked to be circumcised for no one who follows Torah is uncircumcised. Shaul was a genuine believer after his conversion from Phariseeisim (Orthodox Judaisim) to the True belief, which does not teach the man made commands and traditions, the Takanot and Ma'asim of the Phari sees, which are in opposition of the Torah of Mosheh. It is men who twist Shaul's words to their own destruction and teach their twisted versions who are the counterfeits. Like MOST Christian pastors, wolves in sheeps clothing, who teach contrary to Torah and the Messiah Yahushua, and YHWH Elohim. I swear in the Name of YHWH this is the truth. Can you believe Him?

Matthew 5:33-37 (King James Version)

33Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:

34But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:

35Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.

36Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.

37But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

Now can you believe him?

It is you that wish to twist the words of Paul, I am siply repeating the words of Paul and Paul says clearly:

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Colossians 2:13-15

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Galatians 3:9-11

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Galatians 3:12-14

Paul says that the Law was a curse and that Christ was made a curse for us so that we would be free from the curse of the Law.

This is what is written do you disagree with Paul?

[Laurel]

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Quote (Laurel @ May 16 2010,15:45) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 16 2010,15:22) Quote (Laurel @ May 16 2010,14:47) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 15 2010,10:28) Quote (Laurel @ May 15 2010,08:54) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 13 2010,08:23) Quote (Laurel @ May 13 2010,05:48) Another thing B”, there is big difference between a person who does the will of YHWH and a person who boasts and say Do what ever i tell you to do.  There is only one Elohim and His Name one.  It is impossible to follow man “the vicer of christ (the pope)” and the Messiah Himself. Look at the catholic church who even forsakes the Sabbath. How can a catholic serve YHWH “and” the pope who claims to be in place of Messiah Yahuhsua? It is impossible! Choose one or the other! I know that following in the footsteps of Yahushua leads to YHWH, the pope is going to another place of his own imagination, thinking to change the times of YHWH. Actually you are incorrect no gentile need follow the laws of the Jews according to Paul: Acts 15:28-30 (King James Version) 28For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. Acts 15:19-20 (King James Version) 19Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. This is what Paul meant when he said: As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:8-10 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:7-9 The gentiles are not Jews and they are the uncircumcised: But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; Galatians 2:6-8 This was the gospel that was taught to the galatians and therefore Paul says: As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:8-10 So you preaching that a gentile should keep the Sabbath or any other Jewish law excepting what was told that pertained to them is preaching another Gospel which in this case is the gospel of the circumcised. No one must follow the Torah, Jew or Gentile, UNLESS they want to be in the Kingdom of Heaven! You “misunderstand” Shaul's words as do most Christians.  Shaul never said that we were exempt from keeping the Torah. He taught that our salvation comes from YHWH, and once we enter the covenant we too must keep the commands.  Yahuhsua the Messiah said it, “If you love Me keep My commands.” Enough said. I never met a Gentile who fully understood Shaul. Laurel, What does this mean? Acts 15:19-21 (King James Version) 19Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.” Acts 21:24-26 First off Shaul was never given any authority to add to or diminish from The Torah. It never changes, and there is one Torah for all of mankind. One Torah for all. What Shaul is saying is that Gentiles should not be kept out of the places where the Jews worshipped. Because Jews did not associate with “dogs” as they were so called because of their “unleaness” according to Torah. So what SHaul was saying is that there needs to be a beginning at which the Gentiles could come and learn and be a part of the Jewish life where is the worship of YHWH ELohim, the El of Isiac, Abraham, and Jacob. To start wtih the Gentiles need to quit fornicating with other elohim, and worship only YHWH. They could be expected to quite offering to idols, in which they ate of those sacrifices.  The food laws in Torah taught not to eat the blood from KOSHER animals, so this was good for the Gentiles to learn straight away, as well as not eating anything found dead, like road kill, or what ever dies of itself because these animals died with their blood and according to Torah, all the blood was supposed to drained out before consumption. So SHaul is saying that the KOSHER laws are a good place for the Gentiles believers to start, and the Jews couldtherefore associate with them as long as they were learning to adhere to Torah, showing it by keeping Kosher, which means clean as far as food consumption. This list was not exclusive, it was a good place to begin, and guess what the Jews could know who was being genuine about their belief, by whether they were keeping Kosher or not. You will know them by their works. Just to remind you, no man is allowed to add to the commands nor diminish from the commands, or this person is plainly a fraud. Even the Messiah Himself taught Torah, and to adhere to it, as Torah is life to them who do it. I know it. One Torah for all. So you say Paul is a fraud? What you are saying is incorrect though Paul was not telling them that is a good place to start nor was he teaching them to convert to Judaism. If he was telling them to convert they would no longer be considered gentiles they would be Jews ut Paul says: But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: Romans 2:9-11 So we see no attempt at conversion as you say if what you say were true these gentiles would have been asked to be circumcised for no one who follows Torah is uncircumcised. Shaul was a genuine believer after his conversion from Phariseeisim (Orthodox Judaisim) to the True belief, which does not teach the man made commands and traditions, the Takanot and Ma'asim of the Pharisees, which are in opposition of the Torah of Mosheh. It is men who twist Shaul's words to their own destruction and teach their twisted versions who are the counterfeits. Like MOST Christian pastors, wolves in sheeps clothing, who teach contrary to Torah and the Messiah Yahushua, and YHWH Elohim. I swear in the Name of YHWH this is the truth. Can you believe Him? Matthew 5:33-37 (King James Version) 33Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: 34But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: 35Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. 36Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. 37But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil. Now can you believe him? It is you that wish to twist the words of Paul, I am siply repeating the words of Paul and Paul says clearly: Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; Colossians 2:13-15 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. Galatians 3:9-11 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: Galatians 3:12-14 Paul says that the Law was a curse and that Christ was made a curse for us so that we would be free from the curse of the Law. This is what is written do you disagree with Paul?

Lev 19:11 ‘Do not steal, do not lie, do not deceive one another.
Lev 19:12 ‘And do not swear falsely by My Name and so profane the Name of your Elohim. I am יהוה.

1Sa 24:21 “And now, swear to me by יהוה that you do not cut off my seed after me, nor destroy my name from my fatherʼs house.”
1Sa 24:22 And Dawiḏ swore to Shaʼul. Then Shaʼul went home, and Dawiḏ and his men went up to the stronghold.

Jer 12:14 Thus said יהוה, “As for all My evil neighbours who touch the inheritance which I have caused My people Yisraʼĕl to inherit; see, I am plucking them out of their land, and I shall pluck out the house of Yehuḏah from their midst.
Jer 12:15 “And it shall be, after My plucking them out, I shall return, and have compassion on them and bring them back, everyone to his inheritance and everyone to his land.
Jer 12:16 “And it shall be, if they learn well the ways of My people, to swear by My Name, ‘As יהוה lives,ʼ as they taught My people to swear by Baʽal, then they shall be established in the midst of My people.
Jer 12:17 “But if they do not obey, I shall pluck up, pluck up and destroy that nation,” declares יהוה.

Zec 5:1 And I lifted up my eyes again, and looked and saw a flying scroll.
Zec 5:2 And he said to me, “What do you see?” And I answered, “I see a flying scroll, twenty cubits long and ten cubits wide.”
Zec 5:3 And he said to me, “This is the curse that goes forth over the face of all the earth: ‘everyone who is stealing shall go unpunished,ʼ on the one side, according to it, and, ‘everyone who has sworn falsely shall go unpunished,ʼ on the other side, according to it.”
Zec 5:4 “I shall send it out,” declares יהוה of hosts, “and it shall come into the house of the thief and the house of the one who shall swear falsely by My Name. And it shall remain in the midst of his house and shall consume it, both its timber and stones.”

Do not swear falsly, let your yes be yes and you no mean no.

I find it amusing that you call yourself a Muslim, and yet you study the Messianic Writings, as if you were a mislead Christian, one who has been very indoctrinated into one of the churches, because you use Shaul's words just like they do, and not the way the Set-apart Spirit has taught me to understand.

The way i see all of the Bible agrees with all of the Bible. It does not contradict itself, because it was inspired by YHWH.

1Co 14:33 For Elohim is not Elohim of disorder (confusion) but of peace, as in all the assemblies of the set-apart ones.

[karmarie]

But only 10 commandments were written by Gods finger. On stone.

And he gave unto Moses two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.”
“And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables.” Exodus 31:18; 32:16.

[karmarie]

Are God's and Moses' law the same ?
Answer: No, they are not the same.

Moses' law was the temporary, ceremonial law of the Old Testament.

It regulated the priesthood, sacrifices, rituals, meat and drink offerings, yearly Sabbaths or feast days, etc, all of which foreshadowed the cross.

This law was added “till the seed should come,” and that seed was Christ (Galatians 3:16, 19).

The ritual and ceremony of Moses' law pointed forward to Christ's sacrifice.

When He died, this law came to an end, but the Ten Commandments (God's law) “stand fast for ever and ever.” Psalm 111:8.

That there are two laws is made crystal clear in Daniel 9:10, 11.

Two separate laws are involved: God's law and Moses' law.

http://www.alltencommandments.com/all/bible_study.phtml

[bodhitharta]

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Quote (bodhitharta @ May 16 2010,16:12) Quote (Laurel @ May 16 2010,15:45) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 16 2010,15:22) Quote (Laurel @ May 16 2010,14:47) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 15 2010,10:28) Quote (Laurel @ May 15 2010,08:54) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 13 2010,08:23) Quote (Laurel @ May 13 2010,05:48) Another thing B”, there is big difference between a person who does the will of YHWH and a person who boasts and say Do what ever i tell you to do.  There is only one Elohim and His Name one.  It is impossible to follow man “the vicer of christ (the pope)” and the Messiah Himself. Look at the catholic church who even forsakes the Sabbath. How can a catholic serve YHWH “and” the pope who claims to be in place of Messiah Yahuhsua? It is impossible! Choose one or the other! I know that following in the footsteps of Yahushua leads to YHWH, the pope is going to another place of his own imagination, thinking to change the times of YHWH. Actually you are incorrect no gentile need follow the laws of the Jews according to Paul: Acts 15:28-30 (King James Version) 28For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. Acts 15:19-20 (King James Version) 19Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. This is what Paul meant when he said: As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:8-10 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:7-9 The gentiles are not Jews and they are the uncircumcised: But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; Galatians 2:6-8 This was the gospel that was taught to the galatians and therefore Paul says: As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:8-10 So you preaching that a gentile should keep the Sabbath or any other Jewish law excepting what was told that pertained to them is preaching another Gospel which in this case is the gospel of the circumcised. No one must follow the Torah, Jew or Gentile, UNLESS they want to be in the Kingdom of Heaven! You “misunderstand” Shaul's words as do most Christians.  Shaul never said that we were exempt from keeping the Torah. He taught that our salvation comes from YHWH, and once we enter the covenant we too must keep the commands.  Yahuhsua the Messiah said it, “If you love Me keep My commands.” Enough said. I never met a Gentile who fully understood Shaul. Laurel, What does this mean? Acts 15:19-21 (King James Version) 19Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.” Acts 21:24-26 First off Shaul was never given any authority to add to or diminish from The Torah. It never changes, and there is one Torah for all of mankind. One Torah for all. What Shaul is saying is that Gentiles should not be kept out of the places where the Jews worshipped. Because Jews did not associate with “dogs” as they were so called because of their “unleaness” according to Torah. So what SHaul was saying is that there needs to be a beginning at which the Gentiles could come and learn and be a part of the Jewish life where is the worship of YHWH ELohim, the El of Isiac, Abraham, and Jacob. To start wtih the Gentiles need to quit fornicating with other elohim, and worship only YHWH. They could be expected to quite offering to idols, in which they ate of those sacrifices.  The food laws in Torah taught not to eat the blood from KOSHER animals, so this was good for the Gentiles to learn straight away, as well as not eating anything found dead, like road kill, or what ever dies of itself because these animals died with their blood and according to Torah, all the blood was supposed to drained out before consumption. So SHaul is saying that the KOSHER laws are a good place for the Gentiles believers to start, and the Jews couldtherefore associate with them as long as they were learning to adhere to Torah, showing it by keeping Kosher, which means clean as far as food consumption. This list was not exclusive, it was a good place to begin, and guess what the Jews could know who was being genuine about their belief, by whether they were keeping Kosher or not. You will know them by their works. Just to remind you, no man is allowed to add to the commands nor diminish from the commands, or this person is plainly a fraud. Even the Messiah Himself taught Torah, and to adhere to it, as Torah is life to them who do it. I know it. One Torah for all. So you say Paul is a fraud? What you are saying is incorrect though Paul was not telling them that is a good place to start nor was he teaching them to convert to Judaism. If he was telling them to convert they would no longer be considered gentiles they would be Jews ut Paul says: But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: Romans 2:9-11 So we see no attempt at conversion as you say if what you say were true these gentiles would have been asked to be circumcised for no one who follows Torah is uncircumcised. Shaul was a genuine believer after his conversion from Phariseeisim (Orthodox Judaisim) to the True belief, which does not teach the man made commands and traditions, the Takanot and Ma'asim of the Pharisees, which are in opposition of the Torah of Mosheh. It is men who twist Shaul's words to their own destruction and teach their twisted versions who are the counterfeits. Like MOST Christian pastors, wolves in sheeps clothing, who teach contrary to Torah and the Messiah Yahushua, and YHWH Elohim. I swear in the Name of YHWH this is the truth. Can you believe Him? Matthew 5:33-37 (King James Version) 33Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: 34But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: 35Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. 36Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. 37But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil. Now can you believe him? It is you that wish to twist the words of Paul, I am siply repeating the words of Paul and Paul says clearly: Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; Colossians 2:13-15 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. Galatians 3:9-11 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: Galatians 3:12-14 Paul says that the Law was a curse and that Christ was made a curse for us so that we would be free from the curse of the Law. This is what is written do you disagree with Paul? Lev 19:11 ‘Do not steal, do not lie, do not deceive one another. Lev 19:12 ‘And do not swear falsely by My Name and so profane the Name of your Elohim. I am יהוה. 1Sa 24:21 “And now, swear to me by יהוה that you do not cut off my seed after me, nor destroy my name from my fatherʼs house.” 1Sa 24:22 And Dawiḏ swore to Shaʼul. Then Shaʼul went home, and Dawiḏ and his men went up to the stronghold. Jer 12:14 Thus said יהוה, “As for all My evil neighbours who touch the inheritance which I have caused My people Yisraʼĕl to inherit; see, I am plucking them out of their land, and I shall pluck out the house of Yehuḏah from their midst. Jer 12:15 “And it shall be, after My plucking them out, I shall return, and have compassion on them and bring them back, everyone to his inheritance and everyone to his land. Jer 12:16 “And it shall be, if they learn well the ways of My people, to swear by My Name, ‘As יהוה lives,ʼ as they taught My people to swear by Baʽal, then they shall be established in the midst of My people. Jer 12:17 “But if they do not obey, I shall pluck up, pluck up and destroy that nation,” declares יהוה. Zec 5:1  And I lifted up my eyes again, and looked and saw a flying scroll. Zec 5:2 And he said to me, “What do you see?” And I answered, “I see a flying scroll, twenty cubits long and ten cubits wide.” Zec 5:3 And he said to me, “This is the curse that goes forth over the face of all the earth: ‘everyone who is stealing shall go unpunished,ʼ on the one side, according to it, and, ‘everyone who has sworn falsely shall go unpunished,ʼ on the other side, according to it.” Zec 5:4 “I shall send it out,” declares יהוה of hosts, “and it shall come into the house of the thief and the house of the one who shall swear falsely by My Name. And it shall remain in the midst of his house and shall consume it, both its timber and stones.” Do not swear falsly, let your yes be yes and you no mean no. I find it amusing that you call yourself a Muslim, and yet you study the Messianic Writings, as if you were a mislead Christian, one who has been very indoctrinated into one of the churches, because you use Shaul's words just like they do, and not the way the Set-apart Spirit has taught me to understand. The way i see all of the Bible agrees with all of the Bible. It does not contradict itself, because it was inspired by YHWH. 1Co 14:33 For Elohim is not Elohim of disorder (confusion) but of peace, as in all the assemblies of the set-apart ones.

Jesus said we should not swear at all, do you disagree?

1Co 14:33 For Elohim is not Elohim of disorder (confusion) but of peace, as in all the assemblies of the set-apart ones.

Did God confound/confuse the language at the tower of Babylon?

Has God ever caused a people to see and not perceive and hear but not understand?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (karmarie @ May 16 2010,19:20)

Are God's and Moses' law the same ? Answer: No, they are not the same. Moses' law was the temporary, ceremonial law of the Old Testament. It regulated the priesthood, sacrifices, rituals, meat and drink offerings, yearly Sabbaths or feast days, etc, all of which foreshadowed the cross. This law was added “till the seed should come,” and that seed was Christ (Galatians 3:16, 19). The ritual and ceremony of Moses' law pointed forward to Christ's sacrifice. When He died, this law came to an end, but the Ten Commandments (God's law) “stand fast for ever and ever.” Psalm 111:8. That there are two laws is made crystal clear in Daniel 9:10, 11. Two separate laws are involved: God's law and Moses' law. http://www.alltencommandments.com/all/bible_study.phtml

Do you keep the Sabbath?

Friday Evening to Saturday Evening in which you do no work including housework?

[karmarie]

I used to follow the Saterday Sabbath but then I learnt that the Early church followed both a Saterday and Sunday Sabbath

[bodhitharta]

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I used to follow the Saterday Sabbath but then I learnt that the Early church followed both a Saterday and Sunday Sabbath

So you don't follow the Ten Commandments

The Sabbath is from Friday Evening/sunset until Saturday sunset if you do not keep that time you are not keeping the ten commandments which means you are breaking them all according to the bible

Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:18-20

So I would suggest to you to keep the Sabbath from Friday Evening to Saturday Evening just like the Jews do today

[karmarie]

Thanks for the advice I think I will actually.

Did you notice though it says he who breaks or encourages others to break a commandment will be called LEASt in the kingdom of Heaven, note theyre still in there.

Following a false Prophet knowing the words of God beforehand, where will that lead you?

What who is the false Prophet? He who denies the Father YHVH and the Son Jesus Note the word…Son.

I guess you dont want to be in the kindgom of God then? By following a false Prophet?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (karmarie @ May 20 2010,09:43)

Thanks for the advice I think I will actually. Did you notice though it says he who breaks or encourages others to break a commandment will be called LEASt in the kingdom of Heaven, note theyre still in there. Following a false Prophet knowing the words of God beforehand, where will that lead you? What who is the false Prophet? He who denies the Father YHVH and the Son Jesus Note the word…Son. I guess you dont want to be in the kindgom of God then? By following a false Prophet?

how am I following a false prophet? Is Noah a false prophet?

That is who I am following as God taught

[karmarie]

Hi Bod. You said,

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how am I following a false prophet? Is Noah a false prophet? That is who I am following as God taught

Noah isnt Mohammad Noah didnt follow the Quran. It wasnt written then. There were no followers of Allah then only followers of YHVH.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (karmarie @ May 20 2010,10:58)

Hi Bod. You said, Quote how am I following a false prophet? Is Noah a false prophet? That is who I am following as God taught Noah isnt Mohammad Noah didnt follow the Quran. It wasnt written then. There were no followers of Allah then only followers of YHVH.

That doesn't make sense, Did “YHVH” even give the name “YHVH” to Moses before then? Noah was before Moses Karmarie and the word “ALLAH” is Arabic for “THE GOD” was no one calling “God” “THE GOD”?

such as THE GOD of NOAH, THE GOD of ABRAHAM, THE GOD of JOSEPH?

You still don't get it do you?

[karmarie]

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That doesn't make sense, Did “YHVH” even give the name “YHVH” to Moses before then? Noah was before Moses Karmarie and the word “ALLAH” is Arabic for “THE GOD” was no one calling “God” “THE GOD”?

Hi.

In the Youngs literal translation, Jehovah appears first in Genesis 2.4

Genesis 2:4
These [are] births of the heavens and of the earth in their being prepared, in the day of Jehovah God's making earth and heavens;

http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword….ype=all

It's the same in my bible – The Jeusalem Bible, but its Yahweh.

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You still don't get it do you?

I do, I just wish you would. Cant you see where the error is? I wish you could

[bodhitharta]

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Quote (bodhitharta @ May 20 2010,17:38) That doesn't make sense, Did “YHVH” even give the name “YHVH” to Moses before then? Noah was before Moses Karmarie and the word “ALLAH” is Arabic for “THE GOD” was no one calling “God” “THE GOD”? Hi. In the Youngs literal translation, Jehovah appears first in Genesis 2.4 Genesis 2:4 These [are] births of the heavens and of the earth in their being prepared, in the day of Jehovah God's making earth and heavens; http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword….ype=all It's the same in my bible – The Jeusalem Bible, but its Yahweh. Quote You still don't get it do you? I do, I just wish you would. Cant you see where the error is? I wish you could

The God=ALLAH

May the God of Abraham and the God of Nahor, the God of their father, judge between us.” So Jacob took an oath in the name of the Fear of his father Isaac.
Genesis 31:52-54 (

“I am God, the God of your father,” he said. “Do not be afraid to go down to Egypt, for I will make you into a great nation there.
Genesis 46:2-4

Then he said, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.” At this, Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at God.
Exodus 3:5-7

ALLAH is THE GOD of Israel if you wish to refute this you do so out of ignorance(May The God forgive you)

Jews don't run around profaning God's name as you and some others do here. Can you show me even one time where Jesus used the name YHVH?

No you cannot that is why Jesus instructed us:

After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Matthew 6:8-10

And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
Luke 11:1-3

Yet you don't think the name of God is Holy you use it for any usage and you are wrong. If Jesus didn't use it why would you?

The Jews refer to the Name as Hashem i.e. the name.

Muslims refer to the only God there is as THE GOD

You profane the name of God and you should apologize and repent at once.

[karmarie]

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No you cannot that is why Jesus instructed us: After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Matthew 6:8-10

Exactly. So what name did Jesus use? FATHER Allah isnt a Father is he?

“Our Father…””Hallowed by your name”

“Father, glorify your name!” And God himself answered: “I have glorified it, and I will glorify it again.”—John 12:28

“I have made your name known to the men you took from the world to give me.” ….”I have made your name known to them and will continue to make it known.”—John 17:6, 26, JB.

“That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.”

“all Scripture is inspired of God.” (2 Timothy 3:16)

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You profane the name of God and you should apologize and repent at once.

God is Love.

Jesus the light came into the World the darkness has never overcome it, but men preferred the darkness over the light.

What is the light what is darkness do you know?

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Quote (karmarie @ May 21 2010,07:55)

Exactly. So what name did Jesus use? FATHER Allah isnt a Father is he? “Our Father…””Hallowed by your name” “Father, glorify your name!” And God himself answered: “I have glorified it, and I will glorify it again.”—John 12:28 “I have made your name known to the men you took from the world to give me.” ….”I have made your name known to them and will continue to make it known.”—John 17:6, 26, JB. “That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.” “all Scripture is inspired of God.” (2 Timothy 3:16) Quote You profane the name of God and you should apologize and repent at once. God is Love. Jesus the light came into the World the darkness has never overcome it, but men preferred the darkness over the light. What is the light what is darkness do you know?

You see how you profane the name of God? Is God's name actually Jehovah?

Is YHVH or YHWH pronounced Jehovah? What about Yahweh?

Which is it?

Yahweh or Jehovah

(World English Bible)

“that they may know that you alone, whose name is Yahweh, are the Most High over all the earth.”

Which is it?

What name did Jesus use? Yahweh or Jehovah

or was it Eloi, Eloi Lama Sabachthani. Mark 15:34

Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani Matthew 27:46

You should know that Jesus never heard the word Jehovah in his life but he did hear Alaha

Scholars believe that Jesus spoke mostly Aramaic, although sometimes
he spoke Hebrew and he might have spoken Greek on some occasions.
If Jesus spoke Aramaic, then he referred to God using basically the
same word that is used in Arabic.

Jesus definitely heard the word ALLAH and knew that this was The God of Israel.

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