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Quote (Ed J @ May 01 2010,13:20) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 01 2010,12:31) Quote (Ed J @ May 01 2010,11:29) Quote (karmarie @ May 01 2010,09:54) Quote (Ed J @ May 01 2010,09:44)
Hi Karmarie,Rev.20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them:
and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for “The Word” of God,
and which had not worshipped the beast(Rev.13:1), neither his image(Rev.13:15), neither had received his mark(Rev.13:16)
upon their foreheads, or in their hands(Rev.15:2); and they lived and reigned with [Jesus Christ=151] a “thousand year”=151(s).Notice how “The Bible” mentions two things…
1) The witness of Jesus. …AND…
2) “The Word”(HolySpirit) of God. (John 1:1)Should you not be able to realize that two separate things cannot be one thing mentioned twice in succession.
The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.Witnessing to the world in behalf of “The LORD JEHOVAH”=151 (Isaiah 12:2 / Isaiah 26:4)
117=יהוה האלהים YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
“Authorized King James Version”Quote Should you not be able to realize that two separate things cannot be one thing mentioned twice in succession. Hi Ed, what do you mean? (Sorry its one of those days im being really distracted).
Hi Karmarie,“The Word” is The “HolySpirit”! (Click Here) and (Here)
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Yes, ED
I'm glad you understand that.
As I told you before: 3.68421052631578947 was given to you
to prove to you that AKJV Joshua 22:34 is really me [עד] [Ed]!
.
You still must be cultivated as it stands right now you lack understanding on critical issues, but all in due time.Quote (bodhitharta @ May 01 2010,13:56) Quote (Ed J @ May 01 2010,13:20) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 01 2010,12:31) Quote (Ed J @ May 01 2010,11:29) Quote (karmarie @ May 01 2010,09:54) Quote (Ed J @ May 01 2010,09:44)
Hi Karmarie,Rev.20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them:
and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for “The Word” of God,
and which had not worshipped the beast(Rev.13:1), neither his image(Rev.13:15), neither had received his mark(Rev.13:16)
upon their foreheads, or in their hands(Rev.15:2); and they lived and reigned with [Jesus Christ=151] a “thousand year”=151(s).Notice how “The Bible” mentions two things…
1) The witness of Jesus. …AND…
2) “The Word”(HolySpirit) of God. (John 1:1)Should you not be able to realize that two separate things cannot be one thing mentioned twice in succession.
The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.Witnessing to the world in behalf of “The LORD JEHOVAH”=151 (Isaiah 12:2 / Isaiah 26:4)
117=יהוה האלהים YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
“Authorized King James Version”Quote Should you not be able to realize that two separate things cannot be one thing mentioned twice in succession. Hi Ed, what do you mean? (Sorry its one of those days im being really distracted).
Hi Karmarie,“The Word” is The “HolySpirit”! (Click Here) and (Here)
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Yes, ED I'm glad you understand that.
As I told you before: 3.68421052631578947 was given to you
to prove to you that AKJV Joshua 22:34 is really me [עד] [Ed]!
.
You still must be cultivated as it stands right now you lack understanding on critical issues, but all in due time.
John 15:2 Every branch in me (Jesus=74) that beareth not fruit he taketh away: (Matt.3:10-12)
and every branch that beareth “fruit”=74, He (GOD The Father=117)
purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit (Col.3:10).Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15 / Eccl.9:12-16)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Dan.11:18 / Rev.21:2-3)Quote (bodhitharta @ May 01 2010,04:01) Quote (Laurel @ May 01 2010,02:59) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 30 2010,04:24) Quote (Laurel @ April 30 2010,02:34) Boditharta,
When the Messiah said now is the judgment, now the prince of this world shall be cast out is speaking of a time yet to be fulfilled. He was speaking the The Judgment Day. A day when all the earth will be judged, some to condemnation and destruction, some to “everlasting” life. After this the good will be restored, and death and the grave will be gone forevermore. This place is the kingdom in which the Son of ELohim will reign.YHWH's will be done on earth as it is in heaven, HaSatan will be gone from this place, never to rear his ugly head again. This is yet to be… But it is very near.
I was wondering why you think that we live in the kingdom of YHWH already when all has yet to be fulfilled, and the earth is full of wickedness.
Does not the quran teach heaven and virgins and such? Isn't this why so many muslims are murderers? I heard that the ones who do the killing of the Jews and Christains have a better place in heaven than the everyday muslims. Please correct me if i am wrong.
This earth as we know it today is not the reign of heaven where Yahushua Messiah will reign.
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Luke 17:20-22So if Satan has been cast out of you and you have submitted to God the kingdom has already come and is.
You have many wrong assertions about Muslims and The Quran
Also it is illogical to mention to say that “So many muslims” are murderers first of all there are over 1 billion Muslims in the world so the number of thos who have commited “Murder” would be incredibly small.
If you are talking about murders committed during war time would you say that more Muslims have been murdered or have committed murder? Have you any idea how many innocent Muslim men women and children have been killed in Iraq or Afghanistan?
If Jesus says Satan has NOW been cast out I am inclined to believe him as being born of the Spirit is what casts Satan out.
So outside the Kingdom is weeping and gnashing that is the state of the world outside of the knowledge.
We are to conduct ourselves in this world as if it were the next.
Besides that, how can you be a Christian if you don't believe that Satan has been cast out because of your belief in his sacrifice on the cross?
Of course I know that ,as it says in the Quran, God saved Jesus from the cross.
Dear B”
Yes i can see what you are saying about the kingdom being “within the heart of a believer.” and i agree in so much that those who have the kingdom within will live in the kingdom after the judgment.It would be best for me to say this: “There will be an earthly kingdom established where Yahushua Messiah reigns from Jerusalem. That kingdom is yet to be fulfilled, although it was extablished from the beginning of time.”
and
“People who hope to dwell in the promised land should act like it now while they are alive, because after we are dead there is no changing our minds.”
I agree also that the majority of Muslims are not murderers. I know that most of them are forced to be Muslim or be murdered by their own leaders.
I know that the deeper a person gets into the Muslim beliefs set forth in the Quran, the more likely they are to murder Christians and Jews. For a Muslim it is like a badge of honor to kill Christians and Jews, and to die fighting.
I know that to the unlearned in Scripture, and them who search for a spiritual life, that the Muslim faith is enticing because it make more sense that most other religions.
This i also know, that all religions are misleading and all i can do is call out to the world, “Come out of her before it is too late.”
YHWH says clearly that he uses wicked nations to destroy wicked nations, then He also says that any one who goes up against Yisra'el will be destroyed.
If i were a Christain, a Jew or a Muslim, i would heed those Words. And i am left to wonder, knowing that True Yisra'el has been dispersed among ALL NATIONS, why in this world would any nation go up against another when all it does is pit brother's against brothers, for we do not know WHO those Lost Sheep are or where they live, except that they are everywhere!
Yes, i am the temple of the living ELohim, and HaSatan has figured out a while ago that i won't change my mind about serving YHWH. At least he hasn't been able to come close to causing me to sin against the commands that i know and understand. He may be waiting around the corner, but i do not fear HaSatan nor do i fear man. YHWH is my everything.
I like my forefather Abraham look forward to the kingdom that is to come.
Deu 30:19 “I have called the heavens and the earth as witnesses today against you: I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. Therefore you shall choose life, so that you live, both you and your seed,
Deu 30:20 to love יהוה your Elohim, to obey His voice, and to cling to Him – for He is your life and the length of your days – to dwell in the land which יהוה swore to your fathers, to Aḇraham, to Yitsḥaq, and to Yaʽaqoḇ, to give them.”I believe in the promises of YHWH and i know that i will dwell in that “land” one day.
B” i was just wondering if you believed in heaven and miracles? I can't see that you do by the writing so far. Do Muslims think they can fight their way into making this earth that kingdom? And if that is what they think, then how sad for the men who have already died who will never see it, feel it, hear it, smell it, or touch it. And i can only imagine how good the food will be, that they will never taste.
What do Muslims think about heaven?
L
Muslims have no desire to kill Christians or Jews that are not inflicting a war upon them. Did you not know that historically it was the Muslims who protected Christians and Jews from others at different points in time and did you not also know that America was first given legitimacy and support by a Muslim Country i.e. Morrocco:In December 1777, Moroccan sultan Muhammad III included America in a list of countries to which Morocco’s ports were open. With that message to foreign consuls for communication to European capitals, Morocco became the first country whose head of state publicly recognized the new United States. Relations were formalized with the Moroccan-American Treaty of Friendship negotiated by Thomas Barclay, and signed by Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and Muhammad III in 1786.[1][2]
There is so much you do not know and should learn before asserting false information.
Have you even ever heard of christians killing muslims in bosnia it was a massacre.
You should study history a little more, you will find out some amazing things like in the Crusades when Christians took Jerusalem they cut the heads off of he Musli
ms and committed many acts of atrocity but when the Muslims under Saladin took Jerusalem back they did not kill the defeated soldiers but allowed them to return peacefully and they took back Jerusalem peacefully:also did you not read this:
The messenger Muhammad also gave all Christians a covenant, which we will repeat because of its importance. In it is shown the noble character and sense of justice of the Messenger. This testimony is kept still in some monasteries until this day.
He said: “In the name of Allah, the compassionate, the merciful! This is a writing written by Muhammad Ibn Abdallah to all people as messenger, preacher, admonisher, and the one responsible so that nothing is kept from the messengers of God. God is powerful and wise. He writes it for the Christians all over the earth who live here or abroad, who speak Arabic or other languages, known and unknown. He gives them a covenant. He who annuls it, who practices the opposite, who oversteps the commandments, annuls the testament of God, denies its agreement, laughs about his religion, and earns a curse whoever he is, a ruler or another Muslim.
When a monk or someone passes through seeking refuge on a mountain, in a valley, in a cave, in a house, on flat land, on sand or in a church, then I with my helpers, relatives, my tribe and my followers will do what they can for him with enthusiasm because he is a member of the community and stands under my protection and I keep all harm from him. The persons affected shall only be taxed with so much tax as they are freely willing to pay without force or pressure; no bishop shall be moved from his bishopric, no monk from his monastery, no hermit from his cell to another city; no one passing through shall be hindered in his traveling. No house, no church building shall be torn down. None of the riches of their churches shall be used either for the building of a mosque or a house for Muslims. Whoever does anything like this violates the testament of God and his messengers. The bishops and God's workers shall be burdened with neither taxes nor fines. I protect them wherever they may be – be they on land or on sea, in the east or in the west, in the north or in the south. They are under my protection and safe from any need.
Added to this is: Whoever prays to God as a hermit in the mountains or in a blessed place does not have to pay for the sowing, nor the taxes, nor the tithing; one is not allowed to take a part because they only earn their own living and nobody helps them with their harvest. They are also not required to go to sea. The land and estate owners shall not pay more than twelve Dirham's per year; none of them shall be burdened with excesses and one shall not debate with them but rather do better than them as a good example, showing mercy and keeping them from tragedies.
When Christianity has come under the rule of Islam then the Muslims shall be satisfied to let them pray in their churches and no obstacle shall stand between them and their inclination to religion. Whoever violates God's testament, who does the opposite, is disobedient before God and his messenger. The Muslims shall be helpful to them, the Christians, with the restoration of their churches and houses. None of them is obliged to carry weapons because the Muslims protect them. Nobody shall offend against this testament until the day of the last judgment and until the end of the world.”
You're right in that i don't know everything you know about being a Muslim.As for the so called covenant given to Christians, i guess you didn't understand the fine print.
First of all a covenant is a 2 party or more agreement, not a dictator handing out his own authority.
At the end the whole truth is revealed that Muslims will only protect Christains who succome to the Muslim faith, and bow to whom ever his supposed God is, since the authour did not mention any name. For all we know he could have been writing about himself.
Also i noticed the word testament used a lot. So what is the “testimony” that the author is speaking of, because he never does say what it is?
I would never enter this covenant.
Dear B”
You don't have to try to make religion look bad to me, by reminding me that all of them are murderers. Why do you think i left all the “religions” of the world and only study the Bible. I am aware of the slaughtering of many innocent peoples all for the glory of mankind and his false religions.Quote (bodhitharta @ May 01 2010,10:25) Quote (Stu @ May 01 2010,08:53) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 01 2010,04:01) Muslims have no desire to kill Christians or Jews that are not inflicting a war upon them.
The Holy Wikipedia says this:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad#Warfare_.28Jihad_bil_Saif.29
“Within classical Islamic jurisprudence – the development of which is to be dated into the first few centuries after the prophets death – jihad is the only form of warfare permissible under Islamic law, and may consist in wars against unbelievers, apostates, rebels, highway robbers and dissenters renouncing the authority of Islam.
Jihad (pronounced /dʒɪˈhɑːd/; Arabic: جهاد [dʒiˈhæːd]), an Islamic term, is a religious duty of Muslims.”
Stuart
Why did you leave out this?:“there is consensus amongst them that the concept of jihad will always include armed struggle against persecution and oppression”
It was right there same link, perhaps you didn't bother to read the parts you don't like?
Very happy to include that if you want. It is neutral to the point of defining what warfare is considered to be.Oppression and persecution can be any little thing that you interpret to be an attack on your beliefs. That may or may not be your opinion, but the ambiguity makes that a legitimate interpretation.
Stuart
Quote (bodhitharta @ April 30 2010,04:24) Have you even ever heard of christians killing muslims in bosnia it was a massacre Bod, they werent Christians then…name and show only, A true christian would never kill anyone.
I know, there are aggravators (Zionist Isreal for example with Gaza) plus the invasion of Iraq was wrong but please true Christians are completly against that kind of stuff, the Pope for example cried out against it every day, as did the Christians of the Middle East etc, as did I.
Jesus never killed anyone, He never told his followers to kill anyone. They had to be like him. They were the ones who were killed. They were not to be a part of this world but merely “sojourners” with a heavenly hope.
Like a lamb to the slaughter He was led.
Hi Laural, you said:
Quote YHWH says clearly that he uses wicked nations to destroy wicked nations That sounds right. The Beast destroys Babylon for example.
Quote He also says that any one who goes up against Yisra'el will be destroyed. Really? So now is Jesus's kingdom part of this world?
Quote (karmarie @ May 01 2010,22:22) Hi Laural, you said: Quote YHWH says clearly that he uses wicked nations to destroy wicked nations That sounds right. The Beast destroys Babylon for example.
Quote He also says that any one who goes up against Yisra'el will be destroyed. Really? So now is Jesus's kingdom part of this world?
K'
Not sure what you meant by your second comment but here is some Scripture about my comment. There are MANY prophecies about the return of Yisra'el, the remnant, to YHWH. All Yisra'el who does not return, along with all the Gentiles round about who worship falsely will be destroyed on the Day of YHWH.
And just to be sure, those Yisra'elites do not know who they are until they are called out, and many of the Gentiles will come out with them, and become part of Yisra'el, whos name means “overcomers.”The book of Revelations addresses the 7 assemblies and in every address it is those “who overcome” that will see Yahushua, the Salvation of YHWH. As for myself, i have been grafted into Yisra'el through Ya'aqob. I can read and know that i am not supposed to fight, that YHWH does fight for me and for my people, who could also be your people.
Jer 12:14 Thus said יהוה, “As for all My evil neighbours who touch the inheritance which I have caused My people Yisraʼĕl to inherit; see, I am plucking them out of their land, and I shall pluck out the house of Yehuḏah from their midst.
Jer 12:15 “And it shall be, after My plucking them out, I shall return, and have compassion on them and bring them back, everyone to his inheritance and everyone to his land.
Jer 12:16 “And it shall be, if they learn well the ways of My people, to swear by My Name, ‘As יהוה lives,ʼ as they taught My people to swear by Baʽal, then they shall be established in the midst of My people.
Jer 12:17 “But if they do not obey, I shall pluck up, pluck up and destroy that nation,” declares יהוה.Gen 12:1 And יהוה said to Aḇram, “Go yourself out of your land, from your relatives and from your fatherʼs house, to a land which I show you.
Gen 12:2 “And I shall make you a great nation, and bless you and make your name great, and you shall be a blessing!
Gen 12:3 “And I shall bless those who bless you, and curse him who curses you. And in you all the clans of the earth shall be blessed.”Deu 32:41 ‘If I have sharpened My flashing sword, And My hand takes hold on judgment, I shall return vengeance to My enemies, And repay those who hate Me.
Deu 32:42 ‘I make My arrows drunk with blood, And My sword devours flesh, With the blood of the slain and the captives, From the long-haired enemy chiefs.ʼ
Deu 32:43 “O nations, acclaim His people! For He avenges the blood of His servants, And returns vengeance to His adversaries, And shall pardon His land, His people.”Jer 51:11 Polish the arrows! Put on the shields! יהוה has stirred up the spirit of the sovereigns of the Medes. For His plan is against Baḇel to destroy it, because it is the vengeance of יהוה, the vengeance for His Hĕḵal.
Exo 14:14 “יהוה does fight for you, and you keep still.”
Deu 1:30 ‘יהוה your Elohim, who is going before you, He does fight for you, according to all He did for you in Mitsrayim before your eyes,
Deu 3:22 ‘Do not fear them, for יהוה your Elohim Himself fights for you.ʼ
Deu 20:2 “And it shall be, when you draw near to the battle, that the priest shall come and speak to the people,
Deu 20:3 and shall say to them, ‘Hear, O Yisraʼĕl: You are drawing near today to battle with your enemies. Do not let your heart faint, do not fear, or tremble, or be afraid before them,
Deu 20:4 for יהוה your Elohim is He who goes with you, to fight for you against your enemies, to save you.ʼJos 10:24 And it came to be, when they brought out those sovereigns to Yehoshua, that Yehoshua called for all the men of Yisraʼĕl, and said to the chiefs of the men of battle who went with him, “Come near, put your feet on the necks of these sovereigns.” And they drew near and put their feet on their necks.
Jos 10:25 Then Yehoshua said to them, “Do not be afraid nor be discouraged, be strong and courageous, for this is what יהוה is going to do to all your enemies whom you are fighting.”1Ki 12:23 “Speak to Reḥaḇʽam son of Shelomoh, sovereign of Yehuḏah, and to all the house of Yehuḏah and Binyamin, and to the rest of the people, saying,
1Ki 12:24 ‘Thus said יהוה, “Do not go up or fight against your brothers the children of Yisraʼĕl. Let every man return to his house, for this matter is from Me.” ʼ ” So they obeyed the word of יהוה, and turned back, according to the word of יהוה.
1Ki 12:25 And Yaroḇʽam built Sheḵem in the mountains of Ephrayim, and dwelt there. And he went out from there and built Penuʼĕl.(Even the Jews are not to go against Yisra'el, the Northern Tribes.)
2Ch 11:4 ‘Thus said יהוה, “Do not go up or fight against your brothers! Let every man return to his house, for this matter is from Me.” ʼ ” So they obeyed the words of יהוה, and turned back from going against Yaroḇʽam.
2Ch 11:5 And Reḥaḇʽam dwelt in Yerushalayim, and built cities for a defence in Yehuḏah.2Ch 13:15 And the men of Yehuḏah gave a shout. And it came to be, as the men of Yehuḏah shouted, that Elohim smote Yaroḇʽam and all Yisraʼĕl before Aḇiyah and Yehuḏah.
2Ch 13:16 And the children of Yisraʼĕl fled before Yehuḏah, and Elohim gave them into their hand.
2Ch 13:17 And Aḇiyah and his people smote them with a great slaughter, and five hundred thousand choice men of Yisraʼĕl fell slain.
2Ch 13:18 And the children of Yisraʼĕl were humbled at that time, while the children of Yehuḏah prevailed, because they relied on יהוה Elohim of their fathers.Zec 14:12 And this is the plague with which יהוה plagues all the people who fought against Yerushalayim: their flesh shall decay while they stand on their feet, and their eyes decay in their sockets, and their tongues decay in their mouths.
Joe 3:1 “For look, in those days and at that time, when I turn back the captivity of Yehuḏah and Yerushalayim,
Joe 3:2 then I shall gather all gentiles, and bring them down to the Valley of Yehoshaphat. And I shall enter into judgment with them there for My people, My inheritance Yisraʼĕl, whom they have scattered among the gentiles, and they have divided up My land.Deu 7:9 “And you shall know that יהוה your Elohim, He is Elohim, the trustworthy Ěl guarding cov
enant and kindness for a thousand generations with those who love Him, and those who guard His commands,
Deu 7:10 but repaying those who hate Him to their face, to destroy them. He does not delay to do so with him who hates Him, He repays him to his face.Isa 10:21 A remnant shall return, the remnant of Yaʽaqoḇ, to the Mighty Ěl.
Isa 10:22 For though your people, O Yisraʼĕl, be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return – a decisive end, overflowing with righteousness.
Isa 10:23 For the Master יהוה of hosts is making a complete end, as decided, in the midst of all the earth.
Isa 10:24 Therefore thus said the Master יהוה of hosts, “My people, who dwell in Tsiyon, be not afraid of Ashshur, who beats you with a rod and lifts up his staff against you, in the way of Mitsrayim.
Isa 10:25 “For yet a little while and the displeasure shall be completed, and My displeasure be to their destruction.”Isa 26:20 Go, my people, enter your rooms, and shut your doors behind you; hide yourself, as it were, for a little while, until the displeasure is past.
Isa 26:21 For look, יהוה is coming out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their crookedness. And the earth shall disclose her blood, and no longer cover her slain.Isa 27:12 And in that day it shall be that יהוה threshes, from the channel of the River to the wadi of Mitsrayim. And you shall be gathered one by one, O children of Yisraʼĕl. Footnote:
Isa 27:13 And in that day it shall be that a great horn is blown, and those who were perishing in the land of Ashshur and the outcasts in the land of Mitsrayim shall come, and shall worship יהוה on the set-apart mountain, in Yerushalayim.Jer 50:17 “Yisraʼĕl is a scattered sheep, the lions have driven him away. First the sovereign of Ashshur devoured him, and now, at last, this Neḇuḵaḏretstsar sovereign of Baḇel has broken his bones.”
Jer 50:18 Therefore thus said יהוה of hosts, the Elohim of Yisraʼĕl, “See, I am punishing the sovereign of Baḇel and his land, as I have punished the sovereign of Ashshur.
Jer 50:19 “And I shall bring back Yisraʼĕl to his pasture, and he shall feed on Karmel and Bashan. And his being shall be satisfied on Mount Ephrayim and Gilʽaḏ.Zec 8:11 ‘But now I am not as in the former days to the remnant of this people,ʼ declares יהוה of hosts.
Zec 8:12 ‘Because of the sowing of peace the vine does give its fruit, the ground does give her increase, and the heavens do give their dew. And I shall cause the remnant of this people to inherit all these.
Zec 8:13 ‘And it shall be, as you were a curse among the gentiles, O house of Yehuḏah and house of Yisraʼĕl, so I shall save you, and you shall be a blessing. Do not fear, let your hands be strong.ʼ
Zec 8:14 “For thus said יהוה of hosts, ‘As I purposed to do evil to you when your fathers provoked Me,ʼ declares יהוה of hosts, ‘and I did not relent,
Zec 8:15 so again in these days I have purposed to do good to Yerushalayim and to the house of Yehuḏah. Do not fear!
Zec 8:16 ‘These are the words you should do: speak the truth to one another, judge with truth and right-ruling for peace in your gates.
Zec 8:17 ‘And do not plot evil in your heart against another, and do not love a false oath. For all these I hate,ʼ declares יהוה.”Quote (Laurel @ May 01 2010,15:14) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 01 2010,04:01) Quote (Laurel @ May 01 2010,02:59) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 30 2010,04:24) Quote (Laurel @ April 30 2010,02:34) Boditharta,
When the Messiah said now is the judgment, now the prince of this world shall be cast out is speaking of a time yet to be fulfilled. He was speaking the The Judgment Day. A day when all the earth will be judged, some to condemnation and destruction, some to “everlasting” life. After this the good will be restored, and death and the grave will be gone forevermore. This place is the kingdom in which the Son of ELohim will reign.YHWH's will be done on earth as it is in heaven, HaSatan will be gone from this place, never to rear his ugly head again. This is yet to be… But it is very near.
I was wondering why you think that we live in the kingdom of YHWH already when all has yet to be fulfilled, and the earth is full of wickedness.
Does not the quran teach heaven and virgins and such? Isn't this why so many muslims are murderers? I heard that the ones who do the killing of the Jews and Christains have a better place in heaven than the everyday muslims. Please correct me if i am wrong.
This earth as we know it today is not the reign of heaven where Yahushua Messiah will reign.
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Luke 17:20-22So if Satan has been cast out of you and you have submitted to God the kingdom has already come and is.
You have many wrong assertions about Muslims and The Quran
Also it is illogical to mention to say that “So many muslims” are murderers first of all there are over 1 billion Muslims in the world so the number of thos who have commited “Murder” would be incredibly small.
If you are talking about murders committed during war time would you say that more Muslims have been murdered or have committed murder? Have you any idea how many innocent Muslim men women and children have been killed in Iraq or Afghanistan?
If Jesus says Satan has NOW been cast out I am inclined to believe him as being born of the Spirit is what casts Satan out.
So outside the Kingdom is weeping and gnashing that is the state of the world outside of the knowledge.
We are to conduct ourselves in this world as if it were the next.
Besides that, how can you be a Christian if you don't believe that Satan has been cast out because of your belief in his sacrifice on the cross?
Of course I know that ,as it says in the Quran, God saved Jesus from the cross.
Dear B”
Yes i can see what you are saying about the kingdom being “within the heart of a believer.” and i agree in so much that those who have the kingdom within will live in the kingdom after the judgment.It would be best for me to say this: “There will be an earthly kingdom established where Yahushua Messiah reigns from Jerusalem. That kingdom is yet to be fulfilled, although it was extablished from the beginning of time.”
and
“People who hope to dwell in the promised land should act like it now while they are alive, because after we are dead there is no changing our minds.”
I agree also that the majority of Muslims are not murderers. I know that most of them are forced to be Muslim or be murdered by their own leaders.
I know that the deeper a person gets into the Muslim beliefs set forth in the Quran, the more likely they are to murder Christians and Jews. For a Muslim it is like a badge of honor to kill Christians and Jews, and to die fighting.
I know that to the unlearned in Scripture, and them who search for a spiritual life, that the Muslim faith is enticing because it make more sense that most other religions.
This i also know, that all religions are misleading and all i can do is call out to the world, “Come out of her before it is too late.”
YHWH says clearly that he uses wicked nations to destroy wicked nations, then He also says that any one who goes up against Yisra'el will be destroyed.
If i were a Christain, a Jew or a Muslim, i would heed those Words. And i am left to wonder, knowing that True Yisra'el has been dispersed among ALL NATIONS, why in this world would any nation go up against another when all it does is pit brother's against brothers, for we do not know WHO those Lost Sheep are or where they live, except that they are everywhere!
Yes, i am the temple of the living ELohim, and HaSatan has figured out a while ago that i won't change my mind about serving YHWH. At least he hasn't been able to come close to causing me to sin against the commands that i know and understand. He may be waiting around the corner, but i do not fear HaSatan nor do i fear man. YHWH is my everything.
I like my forefather Abraham look forward to the kingdom that is to come.
Deu 30:19 “I have called the heavens and the earth as witnesses today against you: I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. Therefore you shall choose life, so that you live, both you and your seed,
Deu 30:20 to love יהוה your Elohim, to obey His voice, and to cling to Him – for He is your life and the length of your days – to dwell in the land which יהוה swore to your fathers, to Aḇraham, to Yitsḥaq, and to Yaʽaqoḇ, to give them.”I believe in the promises of YHWH and i know that i will dwell in that “land” one day.
B” i was just wondering if you believed in heaven and miracles? I can't see that you do by the writing so far. Do Muslims think they can fight their way into making this earth that kingdom? And if that is what they think, then how sad for the men who have already died who will never see it, feel it, hear it, smell it, or touch it. And i can only imagine how good the food will be, that they will never taste.
What do Muslims think about heaven?
L
Muslims have no desire to kill Christians or Jews that are not inflicting a war upon them. Did you not know that historically it was the Muslims who protected Christians and Jews from others at different points in time and did you not also know that America was first given legitimacy and support by a Muslim Country i.e. Morrocco:In December 1777, Moroccan sultan Muhammad III included America in a list of countries to which Morocco’s ports were open. With that message to foreign consuls for communication to European capitals, Morocco became the first country whose head of state publicly recognized the new United States. Relations were formalized with the Moroccan-American Treaty of Friendship negotiated by Thomas Barclay, and signed by Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and Muhammad III in 1786.[1][2]
There is so much you do not know and should learn before asserting false information.
Have you even ever heard of christians
killing muslims in bosnia it was a massacre.You should study history a little more, you will find out some amazing things like in the Crusades when Christians took Jerusalem they cut the heads off of he Muslims and committed many acts of atrocity but when the Muslims under Saladin took Jerusalem back they did not kill the defeated soldiers but allowed them to return peacefully and they took back Jerusalem peacefully:
also did you not read this:
The messenger Muhammad also gave all Christians a covenant, which we will repeat because of its importance. In it is shown the noble character and sense of justice of the Messenger. This testimony is kept still in some monasteries until this day.
He said: “In the name of Allah, the compassionate, the merciful! This is a writing written by Muhammad Ibn Abdallah to all people as messenger, preacher, admonisher, and the one responsible so that nothing is kept from the messengers of God. God is powerful and wise. He writes it for the Christians all over the earth who live here or abroad, who speak Arabic or other languages, known and unknown. He gives them a covenant. He who annuls it, who practices the opposite, who oversteps the commandments, annuls the testament of God, denies its agreement, laughs about his religion, and earns a curse whoever he is, a ruler or another Muslim.
When a monk or someone passes through seeking refuge on a mountain, in a valley, in a cave, in a house, on flat land, on sand or in a church, then I with my helpers, relatives, my tribe and my followers will do what they can for him with enthusiasm because he is a member of the community and stands under my protection and I keep all harm from him. The persons affected shall only be taxed with so much tax as they are freely willing to pay without force or pressure; no bishop shall be moved from his bishopric, no monk from his monastery, no hermit from his cell to another city; no one passing through shall be hindered in his traveling. No house, no church building shall be torn down. None of the riches of their churches shall be used either for the building of a mosque or a house for Muslims. Whoever does anything like this violates the testament of God and his messengers. The bishops and God's workers shall be burdened with neither taxes nor fines. I protect them wherever they may be – be they on land or on sea, in the east or in the west, in the north or in the south. They are under my protection and safe from any need.
Added to this is: Whoever prays to God as a hermit in the mountains or in a blessed place does not have to pay for the sowing, nor the taxes, nor the tithing; one is not allowed to take a part because they only earn their own living and nobody helps them with their harvest. They are also not required to go to sea. The land and estate owners shall not pay more than twelve Dirham's per year; none of them shall be burdened with excesses and one shall not debate with them but rather do better than them as a good example, showing mercy and keeping them from tragedies.
When Christianity has come under the rule of Islam then the Muslims shall be satisfied to let them pray in their churches and no obstacle shall stand between them and their inclination to religion. Whoever violates God's testament, who does the opposite, is disobedient before God and his messenger. The Muslims shall be helpful to them, the Christians, with the restoration of their churches and houses. None of them is obliged to carry weapons because the Muslims protect them. Nobody shall offend against this testament until the day of the last judgment and until the end of the world.”
You're right in that i don't know everything you know about being a Muslim.As for the so called covenant given to Christians, i guess you didn't understand the fine print.
First of all a covenant is a 2 party or more agreement, not a dictator handing out his own authority.
At the end the whole truth is revealed that Muslims will only protect Christains who succome to the Muslim faith, and bow to whom ever his supposed God is, since the authour did not mention any name. For all we know he could have been writing about himself.
Also i noticed the word testament used a lot. So what is the “testimony” that the author is speaking of, because he never does say what it is?
I would never enter this covenant.
Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #256)It is against The Quran to force anyone to change their religion, in-fact you do not even see Muslims trying to convert Christians it is Christians that send missionaries all over the world to convert others and it has been Christians in the past that would kill you if you did not believe the way they did i.e. Inquisition, Crusades, Salem which trials
But most Christians are not that way.
Quote (Stu @ May 01 2010,15:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 01 2010,10:25) Quote (Stu @ May 01 2010,08:53) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 01 2010,04:01) Muslims have no desire to kill Christians or Jews that are not inflicting a war upon them.
The Holy Wikipedia says this:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad#Warfare_.28Jihad_bil_Saif.29
“Within classical Islamic jurisprudence – the development of which is to be dated into the first few centuries after the prophets death – jihad is the only form of warfare permissible under Islamic law, and may consist in wars against unbelievers, apostates, rebels, highway robbers and dissenters renouncing the authority of Islam.
Jihad (pronounced /dʒɪˈhɑːd/; Arabic: جهاد [dʒiˈhæːd]), an Islamic term, is a religious duty of Muslims.”
Stuart
Why did you leave out this?:“there is consensus amongst them that the concept of jihad will always include armed struggle against persecution and oppression”
It was right there same link, perhaps you didn't bother to read the parts you don't like?
Very happy to include that if you want. It is neutral to the point of defining what warfare is considered to be.Oppression and persecution can be any little thing that you interpret to be an attack on your beliefs. That may or may not be your opinion, but the ambiguity makes that a legitimate interpretation.
Stuart
No, you are incorrect it is a physical interruption of the practice of what one believes or how they worship.It would be like forcing someone like you to eat meat and go to church on sundays.
Quote (karmarie @ May 01 2010,22:13) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 30 2010,04:24) Have you even ever heard of christians killing muslims in bosnia it was a massacre Bod, they werent Christians then…name and show only, A true christian would never kill anyone.
I know, there are aggravators (Zionist Isreal for example with Gaza) plus the invasion of Iraq was wrong but please true Christians are completly against that kind of stuff, the Pope for example cried out against it every day, as did the Christians of the Middle East etc, as did I.
Jesus never killed anyone, He never told his followers to kill anyone. They had to be like him. They were the ones who were killed. They were not to be a part of this world but merely “sojourners” with a heavenly hope.
Like a lamb to the slaughter He was led.
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.”
Luke 19:26-28Jesus said that.
B”
If it is true what you say that Muslims do not force their beliefs on anyone, then why do so many one time Muslims who believe in the Messiah get punished for leaving the Muslim belief?And why does the Quran teach to kill and Jew or Christian that they may find behind a rock?
There seems to me to be much contradiction there.
Quote (bodhitharta @ May 02 2010,04:05) Quote (karmarie @ May 01 2010,22:13) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 30 2010,04:24) Have you even ever heard of christians killing muslims in bosnia it was a massacre Bod, they werent Christians then…name and show only, A true christian would never kill anyone.
I know, there are aggravators (Zionist Isreal for example with Gaza) plus the invasion of Iraq was wrong but please true Christians are completly against that kind of stuff, the Pope for example cried out against it every day, as did the Christians of the Middle East etc, as did I.
Jesus never killed anyone, He never told his followers to kill anyone. They had to be like him. They were the ones who were killed. They were not to be a part of this world but merely “sojourners” with a heavenly hope.
Like a lamb to the slaughter He was led.
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.”
Luke 19:26-28Jesus said that.
If i may intercede here, the context is that He was speaking about servants, who claim to be His servants, but it was found they were false servants.Read the story.
What do you think after i have explained it like this?
Quote (bodhitharta @ May 02 2010,04:02) Quote (Stu @ May 01 2010,15:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 01 2010,10:25) Quote (Stu @ May 01 2010,08:53) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 01 2010,04:01) Muslims have no desire to kill Christians or Jews that are not inflicting a war upon them.
The Holy Wikipedia says this:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad#Warfare_.28Jihad_bil_Saif.29
“Within classical Islamic jurisprudence – the development of which is to be dated into the first few centuries after the prophets death – jihad is the only form of warfare permissible under Islamic law, and may consist in wars against unbelievers, apostates, rebels, highway robbers and dissenters renouncing the authority of Islam.
Jihad (pronounced /dʒɪˈhɑːd/; Arabic: جهاد [dʒiˈhæːd]), an Islamic term, is a religious duty of Muslims.”
Stuart
Why did you leave out this?:“there is consensus amongst them that the concept of jihad will always include armed struggle against persecution and oppression”
It was right there same link, perhaps you didn't bother to read the parts you don't like?
Very happy to include that if you want. It is neutral to the point of defining what warfare is considered to be.Oppression and persecution can be any little thing that you interpret to be an attack on your beliefs. That may or may not be your opinion, but the ambiguity makes that a legitimate interpretation.
Stuart
No, you are incorrect it is a physical interruption of the practice of what one believes or how they worship.It would be like forcing someone like you to eat meat and go to church on sundays.
We have been over this already and I am not interested in arguing with a person whose track record around the world is to make disingenuous claims, like this one.It is pretty obvious that islam has bloody borders and the provocation is as is stated in that koraic verse: basically non-believers and all the other kinds of people viewed by some muslims as scum of the earth who are “getting in the way of them practising their faith” are expendable. That is what we see.
Jihad is the only form of warfare permissible under Islamic law, and may consist in wars against unbelievers, apostates, rebels, highway robbers and dissenters renouncing the authority of Islam.
I renounce the authority of islam: I am oppressing you so you have a religious duty to kill me.
Stuart
Quote (Laurel @ May 02 2010,04:06) B”
If it is true what you say that Muslims do not force their beliefs on anyone, then why do so many one time Muslims who believe in the Messiah get punished for leaving the Muslim belief?And why does the Quran teach to kill and Jew or Christian that they may find behind a rock?
There seems to me to be much contradiction there.
There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #256)You keep making these statements about Muslims without having any knowledge why is that? Before I make a statement about anything I research the subject and if I find something intriguing I look for context, so I ask you please look for context and not simply respond to things that TICKLE your ears.
Also if you know where such a statement is located then post it.
The Quran never teaches anyone to be offensive at any time but yes if Christians or Jews are killing Muslims they have the right to defend themselves and let me ask you even in regards to Terrorism do you think that one day some terrorist said hey I hate the USA let me fight them?
Did you not even know that the U.S. aided the Afghans in fighting the Russians?
You seem to know little about history and instead seem to just go with identity politics i.e. whoever looks like you must be right.
Did you even know that Iraq had a secular government and was a killer of his own people?
As I said before I admire the faith you have but you should be of the faithful and not of those who try to teach because you are not interested in history or learning the truth regarding some serious issues.
Quote (Laurel @ May 02 2010,04:13) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 02 2010,04:05) Quote (karmarie @ May 01 2010,22:13) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 30 2010,04:24) Have you even ever heard of christians killing muslims in bosnia it was a massacre Bod, they werent Christians then…name and show only, A true christian would never kill anyone.
I know, there are aggravators (Zionist Isreal for example with Gaza) plus the invasion of Iraq was wrong but please true Christians are completly against that kind of stuff, the Pope for example cried out against it every day, as did the Christians of the Middle East etc, as did I.
Jesus never killed anyone, He never told his followers to kill anyone. They had to be like him. They were the ones who were killed. They were not to be a part of this world but merely “sojourners” with a heavenly hope.
Like a lamb to the slaughter He was led.
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.”
Luke 19:26-28Jesus said that.
If i may intercede here, the context is that He was speaking about servants, who claim to be His servants, but it was found they were false servants.Read the story.
What do you think after i have explained it like this?
I think it is still a violent statement, does it suddenly sound peaceful to you?Quote (Stu @ May 02 2010,09:21) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 02 2010,04:02) Quote (Stu @ May 01 2010,15:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 01 2010,10:25) Quote (Stu @ May 01 2010,08:53) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 01 2010,04:01) Muslims have no desire to kill Christians or Jews that are not inflicting a war upon them.
The Holy Wikipedia says this:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad#Warfare_.28Jihad_bil_Saif.29
“Within classical Islamic jurisprudence – the development of which is to be dated into the first few centuries after the prophets death – jihad is the only form of warfare permissible under Islamic law, and may consist in wars against unbelievers, apostates, rebels, highway robbers and dissenters renouncing the authority of Islam.
Jihad (pronounced /dʒɪˈhɑːd/; Arabic: جهاد [dʒiˈhæːd]), an Islamic term, is a religious duty of Muslims.”
Stuart
Why did you leave out this?:“there is consensus amongst them that the concept of jihad will always include armed struggle against persecution and oppression”
It was right there same link, perhaps you didn't bother to read the parts you don't like?
Very happy to include that if you want. It is neutral to the point of defining what warfare is considered to be.Oppression and persecution can be any little thing that you interpret to be an attack on your beliefs. That may or may not be your opinion, but the ambiguity makes that a legitimate interpretation.
Stuart
No, you are incorrect it is a physical interruption of the practice of what one believes or how they worship.It would be like forcing someone like you to eat meat and go to church on sundays.
We have been over this already and I am not interested in arguing with a person whose track record around the world is to make disingenuous claims, like this one.It is pretty obvious that islam has bloody borders and the provocation is as is stated in that koraic verse: basically non-believers and all the other kinds of people viewed by some muslims as scum of the earth who are “getting in the way of them practising their faith” are expendable. That is what we see.
Jihad is the only form of warfare permissible under Islamic law, and may consist in wars against unbelievers, apostates, rebels, highway robbers and dissenters renouncing the authority of Islam.
I renounce the authority of islam: I am oppressing you so you have a religious duty to kill me.
Stuart
You are not oppressing me in the least and how could you you don't have the ability to oppress me but if you did what do you think I should just allow it?Quote (bodhitharta @ May 02 2010,09:32) Quote (Laurel @ May 02 2010,04:13) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 02 2010,04:05) Quote (karmarie @ May 01 2010,22:13) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 30 2010,04:24) Have you even ever heard of christians killing muslims in bosnia it was a massacre Bod, they werent Christians then…name and show only, A true christian would never kill anyone.
I know, there are aggravators (Zionist Isreal for example with Gaza) plus the invasion of Iraq was wrong but please true Christians are completly against that kind of stuff, the Pope for example cried out against it every day, as did the Christians of the Middle East etc, as did I.
Jesus never killed anyone, He never told his followers to kill anyone. They had to be like him. They were the ones who were killed. They were not to be a part of this world but merely “sojourners” with a heavenly hope.
Like a lamb to the slaughter He was led.
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.”
Luke 19:26-28Jesus said that.
If i may intercede here, the context is that He was speaking about servants, who claim to be His servants, but it was found they were false servants.Read the story.
What do you think after i have explained it like this?
I think it is still a violent statement, does it suddenly sound peaceful to you?
The penalty of sin is death.
YHWH is Elohim and only He has the right to judge sin in a way that deserves death.Yahushua spoke rightly in His Father's place because YHWH gave that quthority to Him.
It was an example for what will happen to all the false prophets when they are judged rightly.
YHWH is not willing that ANY should perish, but that all shold repent. Those who sin against YHWH and are arrogant about it, will be judged accoring to their own law.
Sin is violent and brings death to them who do it. All their sin will be returned to them and even more.
Quote (bodhitharta @ May 02 2010,09:31) Quote (Laurel @ May 02 2010,04:06) B”
If it is true what you say that Muslims do not force their beliefs on anyone, then why do so many one time Muslims who believe in the Messiah get punished for leaving the Muslim belief?And why does the Quran teach to kill and Jew or Christian that they may find behind a rock?
There seems to me to be much contradiction there.
There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #256)You keep making these statements about Muslims without having any knowledge why is that? Before I make a statement about anything I research the subject and if I find something intriguing I look for context, so I ask you please look for context and not simply respond to things that TICKLE your ears.
Also if you know where such a statement is located then post it.
The Quran never teaches anyone to be offensive at any time but yes if Christians or Jews are killing Muslims they have the right to defend themselves and let me ask you even in regards to Terrorism do you think that one day some terrorist said hey I hate the USA let me fight them?
Did you not even know that the U.S. aided the Afghans in fighting the Russians?
You seem to know little about history and instead seem to just go with identity politics i.e. whoever looks like you must be right.
Did you even know that Iraq had a secular government and was a killer of his own people?
As I said before I admire the faith you have but you should be of the faithful and not of those who try to teach because you are not interested in history or learning the truth regarding some serious issues.
Compulsion is a driving force. Compulsion is an irresistable impulse to perform some act.If you look at the Catholic priests, you would have to say there is quite a compulsion in her to rape little boys.
In Sodom and Gamorah the men were obsessed, compulsive to rape men who were just passing through town.
In SUN worship, women are compulsed to have immoral sex and murder their own babies, and the men are compulsed in the same way.
In every single religion i have seen on the earth, men and women are compulsive in adding to and removing from the TORAH and making their own laws and traditions to their gods.
And this is the sin that make them elohim unto themselves. They don't admit it, they say it is to YHWH, but they do not worship YHWH Elohim it is an abomination to Him.And why do you say that i am making up anything. I told you that i read the book called the cow, it is a book in the quran. It says in there that if a muslim sees a jew behind a rock to kill him.
Also what is a taghut?
When you use words from the Brit HaChodesh against me, it makes you look like a very strange muslim to me.
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