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Quote (terraricca @ May 15 2012,05:31) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 15 2012,17:25) Hi T,
There will always be a division between those in Christ and those of the world.
Paul was specially equipped to be a preacher and teacher.
And any neophyte can baptise
Nany scripture
T;I gave you two Scripture that spoke of not hindering those who are ready for water immersion and yet you continue to do so.
Water immersion is one of the principles of the good news and not the whole; even as it is written:
Hebrews 6
King James Version (KJV)1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Paul did not teach water immersion, which is but a part, but instead he taught the whole gospel. He also did not subtract water immersion from the good news.
Quote (kerwin @ May 15 2012,17:57) Quote (terraricca @ May 15 2012,05:31) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 15 2012,17:25) Hi T,
There will always be a division between those in Christ and those of the world.
Paul was specially equipped to be a preacher and teacher.
And any neophyte can baptise
Nany scripture
T;I gave you two Scripture that spoke of not hindering those who are ready for water immersion and yet you continue to do so.
Water immersion is one of the principles of the good news and not the whole; even as it is written:
Hebrews 6
King James Version (KJV)1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Paul did not teach water immersion, which is but a part, but instead he taught the whole gospel. He also did not subtract water immersion from the good news.
KHebrew was addressed to the Jews ;
Heb 1:1 In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways,
Heb 1:2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.
Heb 1:3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.T;
Hebrews was addressed to the Jews but Peter stated about the Gentiles of Cornelius' house”
Acts 10
King James Version (KJV)47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
So why would you go against his words and forbid water to the Gentiles?
Quote (kerwin @ May 15 2012,20:03) T; Hebrews was addressed to the Jews but Peter stated about the Gentiles of Cornelius' house”
Acts 10
King James Version (KJV)47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
So why would you go against his words and forbid water to the Gentiles?
KCornelius seems to be a gentile converted to Judaism ,he was not an unaware of the God of Israel,he served God and so was teaching his household ,
You also notice that it is men that baptist him under the will of men not of God ,God has already given him his holy spirit not based on men works but on the works of the heart what God can see,
hi T,
So if God chooses to reverse the usual order
does that change anything or just show God is sovereign?T;
Cornelius and his household were called Gentiles by Scripture; not Jews. They did follow the code of Noah; as God fearing Gentiles do; when a better way presented itself; they eagerly grabbed hold.
A believer is God fearing as those who do not fear God; do know him.
Acts 22:16
King James Version (KJV)16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Even Paul was asked “why tarriest thou” in relation to immersion.
God did reveal he approved of Gentile believers by putting the gift of tongues on Cornelius and his household. Never the less they still had to put the old man to death by the power of God and receive the promise new man. Paul was instructed not to tarry in receiving the new man through faith, and a pledge a clear conscious before God.
Quote (kerwin @ May 16 2012,00:05) T; Cornelius and his household were called Gentiles by Scripture; not Jews. They did follow the code of Noah; as God fearing Gentiles do; when a better way presented itself; they eagerly grabbed hold.
A believer is God fearing as those who do not fear God; do know him.
Acts 22:16
King James Version (KJV)16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Even Paul was asked “why tarriest thou” in relation to immersion.
God did reveal he approved of Gentile believers by putting the gift of tongues on Cornelius and his household. Never the less they still had to put the old man to death by the power of God and receive the promise new man. Paul was instructed not to tarry in receiving the new man through faith, and a pledge a clear conscious before God.
KAc 10:1 At Caesarea there was a man named Cornelius, a centurion in what was known as the Italian Regiment.
Ac 10:2 He and all his family were devout and God-fearing; he gave generously to those in need and prayed to God regularly.
Ac 10:3 One day at about three in the afternoon he had a vision. He distinctly saw an angel of God, who came to him and said, “Cornelius!”
Ac 10:4 Cornelius stared at him in fear. “What is it, Lord?” he asked.
The angel answered, “Your prayers and gifts to the poor have come up as a memorial offering before God.Quote (kerwin @ May 14 2012,19:20) Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,08:31) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2012,12:52) Hi ,
It will be interesting for some when they meet the Lord
and explain to him that baptism in his name became unnecessary.
Hi Nick,Did Jesus ever baptize anyone in water?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J.,Jesus is Lord and not the servant. The immersion is done is done in his name and not in the name of his student.
Why do you get in the way of those who in faith seek to be immersed in water by the power of God?
Have you not read the account of the Ethiopian Enoch who asked Phillip why he hindered him to be immersed in water? Haven't you also heard Peter ask if anyone could forbid the Gentiles approved of God from being immersed in water.
Shouldn't you instead do as Phillip, Peter, and those that heard Peter did?
Hi Kerwin,I Have gotten in no ones way,
and I have told no one not to; OK.
Try and keep your facts straight; OK?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2012,21:04) Hi ED,
Quite so.
As the one we follow died and was buried so we do in water baptism.[rom6]
Would you say we do not need to follow him?
He said “follow me”Whom should we believe?
He has the words of eternal life[Jn6.68]
But your words have far less to offer it seems.
Hi Nick,I never said not to follow Jesus,
why do you put 'spin' on my words?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ May 16 2012,04:57) Hi Ed,
Should we follow Jesus into his death ?[Rom6}
To what do you refer? Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. 8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: 9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. 10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. 11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. 12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? 17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. 19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. 20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. 21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. 22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Quote (Ed J @ May 15 2012,22:18) Quote (kerwin @ May 14 2012,19:20) Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,08:31) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2012,12:52) Hi ,
It will be interesting for some when they meet the Lord
and explain to him that baptism in his name became unnecessary.
Hi Nick,Did Jesus ever baptize anyone in water?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J.,Jesus is Lord and not the servant. The immersion is done is done in his name and not in the name of his student.
Why do you get in the way of those who in faith seek to be immersed in water by the power of God?
Have you not read the account of the Ethiopian Enoch who asked Phillip why he hindered him to be immersed in water? Haven't you also heard Peter ask if anyone could forbid the Gentiles approved of God from being immersed in water.
Shouldn't you instead do as Phillip, Peter, and those that heard Peter did?
Hi Kerwin,I Have gotten in no ones way,
and I have told no one not to; OK.
Try and keep your facts straight; OK?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J.;If you teach that immersion in water is not a principle of the gospel then you do get in the way.
Quote (terraricca @ May 15 2012,21:07) Quote (kerwin @ May 16 2012,00:05) T; Cornelius and his household were called Gentiles by Scripture; not Jews. They did follow the code of Noah; as God fearing Gentiles do; when a better way presented itself; they eagerly grabbed hold.
A believer is God fearing as those who do not fear God; do know him.
Acts 22:16
King James Version (KJV)16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Even Paul was asked “why tarriest thou” in relation to immersion.
God did reveal he approved of Gentile believers by putting the gift of tongues on Cornelius and his household. Never the less they still had to put the old man to death by the power of God and receive the promise new man. Paul was instructed not to tarry in receiving the new man through faith, and a pledge a clear conscious before God.
KAc 10:1 At Caesarea there was a man named Cornelius, a centurion in what was known as the Italian Regiment.
Ac 10:2 He and all his family were devout and God-fearing; he gave generously to those in need and prayed to God regularly.
Ac 10:3 One day at about three in the afternoon he had a vision. He distinctly saw an angel of God, who came to him and said, “Cornelius!”
Ac 10:4 Cornelius stared at him in fear. “What is it, Lord?” he asked.
The angel answered, “Your prayers and gifts to the poor have come up as a memorial offering before God.
T;I have read that Scripture and considered it in my previous post. Do you see something you believed I missed?
Quote (kerwin @ May 16 2012,05:58) Quote (Ed J @ May 15 2012,22:18) Quote (kerwin @ May 14 2012,19:20) Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,08:31) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2012,12:52) Hi ,
It will be interesting for some when they meet the Lord
and explain to him that baptism in his name became unnecessary.
Hi Nick,Did Jesus ever baptize anyone in water?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J.,Jesus is Lord and not the servant. The immersion is done is done in his name and not in the name of his student.
Why do you get in the way of those who in faith seek to be immersed in water by the power of God?
Have you not read the account of the Ethiopian Enoch who asked Phillip why he hindered him to be immersed in water? Haven't you also heard Peter ask if anyone could forbid the Gentiles approved of God from being immersed in water.
Shouldn't you instead do as Phillip, Peter, and those that heard Peter did?
Hi Kerwin,I Have gotten in no ones way,
and I have told no one not to; OK.
Try and keep your facts straight; OK?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J.;If you teach that immersion in water is not a principle of the gospel then you do get in the way.
Hi Kerwin,I teach no such thing.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ May 16 2012,06:05) Hi Ed,
Rom 6 will teach you.
Hi Nick,If you read the whole bible YOU will learn.
What part of Romans 6 do you
believe makes your point?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ May 16 2012,06:07) Hi Ed,
If scripture cannot help you neither can we.
Hi Nick,What is this suppose to mean?
Are you appointed as a helper?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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