Who received the holy spirit

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2012,16:26)

Hi Ed, Truths in scripture are repeated for clarity reasons. 2Cor 13.1 Eusebius did not do anything except quote from the original copy of Matthews gospel he had in his library. He had no known reason to lie. The library was burnt down by the Romans

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water baptism is a ritual used by religion to close in there followers and have power over them ,this is seen all over the world ,and all who support that type of practice are usely also religion oriented ,

as they proclaim to preserve the true teaching of Christ ,but in reality it is for themself that they do it ,

true worshiper as we all learn in scriptures have no mentor exept Christ and his words in scriptures ,and only pledge fidelity to him and his father the almithy God,

any one who fail to do that would be consider being part of the world and so have received the MARK of the beast (world)

so get out and serve only God and his son Jesus Christ

[942767]

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Quote (942767 @ May 28 2012,18:26) Hi T: You ask: Quote if Mat 28;19 was an order why so few of the disciples are found not to practice water baptism except on Jews ,for a Jew that knows his God (or should) baptism mean repentance of what he know he should have done and did not , Matthew 28;19 states: Quote Mat 28:19   Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost He says: “ALL NATIONS”. I do not know how you are arriving at your conclusion relative to few Jews being baptized.  The Apostles in the Acts of the Apostles baptized believers in water both Jews and gentiles. Salvation is by “faith” so that it might be by grace.  It is true that the Jews were under the Law of Moses, but the scriptures state that Jesus is the end of the Law for righteousness to all who believe in Jesus.  There is neither Jew or gentile in the Lord, but the body is of Christ. And you ask: Quote how are believers separated  by water baptism ? or by believing and practice in the knowledge of God and father of Christ ,that God has send his son into the world to save it   I have already told you that salvation is by “faith” and so no, it is not by water baptism but believing and practicing or putting into practice the Word of God.  Water baptism is an action showing that you have believed and have repented.  It is a part of the Word of God that we put into practice.  It an outward expression to the world showing that you are united with Jesus in his death, burial, and resurrection.  Jesus said: Quote Mat 10:32 ¶ Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.   Mat 10:33   But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.   By being baptized in water you are confessing him as your Lord before men.  Of course, we do not stop at water baptism but obey all his Word before men. Love in Christ, Marty Marty sinse you seem to know more scriptures than some others here ,tell me how many Jews were baptized and that are reccorded in scriptures :: ?? and how man gentiles were baptized in their ignorance of God almithy and the knowledge of his son Jesus Christ ;; then tell me to whom should someone go to get baptized ? and you never answered my question but just push trough your religion opinions,so answer first my question and then you can trow your religion opinions it would make more sense that way.

Hi “T”:

I don't get it. First, you tell me that I seem to know more scriptures than others, and then you accuse me of giving opinions based on “religion”.

I have given you scripture not opinion. You apparently do not know the difference.

If I did not answer your questions, it may have been that I did not understand your question.

Following is a list of scriptures in the Acts of the Apostles relative to water baptism:

Here were 3000 people who received the gospel at the preaching of the Apostle Peter and were baptized, probably Jews:

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2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added [unto them] about three thousand souls.

This scripture does not say how many, but they were baptized when they received the Word of God.

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Act 8:14 ¶ Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: Act 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: Act 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) Act 8:17 Then laid they [their] hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

Here is an account of Phillip baptizing the Ethiopian:

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Act 8:25 And they, when they had testified and preached the word of the Lord, returned to Jerusalem, and preached the gospel in many villages of the Samaritans. Act 8:26 ¶ And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert. Act 8:27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship, Act 8:28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet. Act 8:29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot. Act 8:30 And Philip ran thither to [him], and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? Act 8:31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. Act 8:32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth: Act 8:33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth. Act 8:34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man? Act 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. Act 8:36 And as they went on [their] way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, [here is] water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? Act 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Act 8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. Act 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing

Here the Apostle Peter asks the question “can any man forbid water baptism” relative to the first gentiles saved, Cornelius and those with him who had received the Holy Ghost when Peter preached the gospel to them. The answer to that question is no they cannot because Peter commanded them to be baptized in water:

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Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? Act 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Here a woman named Lydia and her household were baptized. It does not say baptized in water, but water baptism is understood because it says that she was baptised which indicates and action by her.

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Act 16:14 And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard [us]: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul. Act 16:15 And when she was baptized, and her household, she besought [us], saying, If ye have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide [there]. And she constrained us.

Here the jailer that was guarding Paul and Silas believed and he and his household were baptized:

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Act 16:25 ¶ And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them. Act 16:26 And suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken: and immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed. Act 16:27 And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had been fled. Act 16:28 But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here. Act 16:29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, Act 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. Act 16:32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house. Act 16:33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed [their] stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.

Here it does not say water baptism but that is what is what is understood:

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Act 18:8 And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized.

Here were some who had been baptized in water by John the Baptist but they had not heard the gospel, and they were baptized in water by the Apostle Paul:

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Act 19:1 ¶ And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. Act 19:5 When they heard [this], they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid [his] hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Here is the Apostle Paul telling that he was baptized in water:

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Act 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Here the Apostle Paul states that he was not sent to baptize, but that he did baptize Crispus and Gaius and the household of Stephenas.

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1Cr 1:14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; 1Cr 1:15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. 1Cr 1:16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

How man of those baptized here were jews and how many gentiles I do not know, but the gospel is the same for jews and gentiles and so that should not make any difference.

As to your question as to whom you go to inorder to be baptized, I would advise you, if you want to be baptized, to pray and ask God to lead you to that person.

You also ask:

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and how man gentiles were baptized in their ignorance of God almithy and the knowledge of his son Jesus Christ ;;

I don't know how many fall in this category, but if they were baptized without believing the gospel, that baptism did not symbolize any thing. They went into the baptismal a dry sinner and came up a wet sinner. There was not change.

I don't know if I answered all of your questions or not, but I have tried.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[terraricca]

Marty

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As to your question as to whom you go to inorder to be baptized, I would advise you, if you want to be baptized, to pray and ask God to lead you to that person.

your answer here is not valid ,I have been baptized twice ,once by submerging in the name of Christ  ,within a sect,so this would be good right

I figure if we want to get baptized ,it would not matter witch sect we go to ;because our baptism would not be related to the sect but to God and Christ upon hearing the good news,as describe in the bible,if this would not be the case then our baptism would not stand,right ,and the enslavement of our soul by those religion sect start with their indoctrination,and if we do not go further than what they say even if it does not mach the scriptures then our baptism would lose  is value ,right

in all the scriptures you have showed me ,were baptism was mention all participant have requested it to be baptized after being informed from about God work done trough his son Jesus Christ ,( about 5000, with 99% Jews)

but why was Paul not send to the gentiles to teach them and Baptized them Mathew 28;19 is it not a direct order from Christ to his disciples to do so and I mean both teaching and baptizing

To me it seems that the baptism in Christ are related to the present at that time and  future brethren of Christ (144k)

see the first converts were the eleven apostles and they receive the holy spirit directly from Christ resurrected  Jn 20:22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.
and later on at the Pentecost 120 0r so receive it including the eleven  ,so they have received a double portion of it ,because they are including Paul the twelfth pillars of Christ church(temple)  all of 144k are the bricks so to speak,

and as for all gentiles that would take up baptism would mean that he take the full load to serve Christ and his church fail of doing this his baptism may not be true,

also the holy spirit at some point came directly to the baptized and some other latter time it was given by imposing hands ,they all at one time disappeared from circulation and religion confusion was in full power in those days,

the few that then would go public with the true teachings were persecuted and declared heretics by the leaders and killed by the masses just like Christ was,

so  I believe yes their is a water baptism in the name of Christ but that baptism to have a value we have to do Christ work, fully and live it ,not just talk it ,but I also believe that you can become a disciple of Christ as a believer in him ,and be saved ,just as the thieve beside Christ on the cross ,

to me like I have always said   general baptism is religion ritual  but this is not a true baptism but a men made baptism for making converts ; Mt 23:15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.

so answer my questions from this quote

[NickHassan]

Hi t,
So you say.
But scripture shows differently

[942767]

Hi “T”:

You say:

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so  I believe yes their is a water baptism in the name of Christ but that baptism to have a value we have to do Christ work, fully and live it ,not just talk it ,but I also believe that you can become a disciple of Christ as a believer in him ,and be saved ,just as the thieve beside Christ on the cross ,

I have already discussed with you that water baptism is an action showing that you have believed and have repented which is essentially what you are saying.  No, water baptism does not have any validity if someone has not come to God with a repentant heart believing the gospel.

And yes, someone can be saved without being baptized just as the thief was saved.  He wasn't baptized in water, but how could he be.  He was on the cross and dying.  If someone is on their death bed, and they are saved on their death bed by coming to God with a repentant heart believing the gospel and then die without being baptized in water, they are saved.  I believe that God has shown me that this is true, but if is someone is a believer and he can be baptized in water in obedience to the Word of God, should he be baptized in water or not?

Love in Christ,
Marty

[terraricca]

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Hi “T”: You say: Quote so  I believe yes their is a water baptism in the name of Christ but that baptism to have a value we have to do Christ work, fully and live it ,not just talk it ,but I also believe that you can become a disciple of Christ as a believer in him ,and be saved ,just as the thieve beside Christ on the cross , I have already discussed with you that water baptism is an action showing that you have believed and have repented which is essentially what you are saying.  No, water baptism does not have any validity if someone has not come to God with a repentant heart believing the gospel. And yes, someone can be saved without being baptized just as the thief was saved.  He wasn't baptized in water, but how could he be.  He was on the cross and dying.  If someone is on their death bed, and they are saved on their death bed by coming to God with a repentant heart believing the gospel and then die without being baptized in water, they are saved.  I believe that God has shown me that this is true, but if is someone is a believer and he can be baptized in water in obedience to the Word of God, should he be baptized in water or not? Love in Christ, Marty

Marty

could you consider all of my questions and not pick one ,and then leave the others ,

because the other questions may influence your first pick

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
But you have appointed yourself as the judge of truth.
Why ask questions?

[942767]

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Quote (942767 @ June 04 2012,17:17) Hi “T”: You say: Quote so  I believe yes their is a water baptism in the name of Christ but that baptism to have a value we have to do Christ work, fully and live it ,not just talk it ,but I also believe that you can become a disciple of Christ as a believer in him ,and be saved ,just as the thieve beside Christ on the cross , I have already discussed with you that water baptism is an action showing that you have believed and have repented which is essentially what you are saying.  No, water baptism does not have any validity if someone has not come to God with a repentant heart believing the gospel. And yes, someone can be saved without being baptized just as the thief was saved.  He wasn't baptized in water, but how could he be.  He was on the cross and dying.  If someone is on their death bed, and they are saved on their death bed by coming to God with a repentant heart believing the gospel and then die without being baptized in water, they are saved.  I believe that God has shown me that this is true, but if is someone is a believer and he can be baptized in water in obedience to the Word of God, should he be baptized in water or not? Love in Christ, Marty Marty could you consider all of my questions and not pick one ,and then leave the others , because the other questions may influence your first pick

Hi “T”:

No, I do not want to go back and try to answer the questions in your long post. I jumped to the statement that you stated where you acknowledged that you believe in water baptism, and that is what matters.

It is a matter of a personal decision between you and God. You are not being baptized to be a part of a sect as you stated or into any denomination. There is only one “true church”, and water baptism symbolizes your union with Jesus in his death, burial, and resurrection.

I have nothing further to say about this. I have given you scripture for my understanding, and it is the Word of God that I believe.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ June 04 2012,11:29) Quote (942767 @ June 04 2012,17:17) Hi “T”: You say: Quote so  I believe yes their is a water baptism in the name of Christ but that baptism to have a value we have to do Christ work, fully and live it ,not just talk it ,but I also believe that you can become a disciple of Christ as a believer in him ,and be saved ,just as the thieve beside Christ on the cross , I have already discussed with you that water baptism is an action showing that you have believed and have repented which is essentially what you are saying.  No, water baptism does not have any validity if someone has not come to God with a repentant heart believing the gospel. And yes, someone can be saved without being baptized just as the thief was saved.  He wasn't baptized in water, but how could he be.  He was on the cross and dying.  If someone is on their death bed, and they are saved on their death bed by coming to God with a repentant heart believing the gospel and then die without being baptized in water, they are saved.  I believe that God has shown me that this is true, but if is someone is a believer and he can be baptized in water in obedience to the Word of God, should he be baptized in water or not? Love in Christ, Marty Marty could you consider all of my questions and not pick one ,and then leave the others , because the other questions may influence your first pick Hi “T”: No, I do not want to go back and try to answer the questions in your long post.  I jumped to the statement that you stated where you acknowledged that you believe in water baptism, and that is what matters. It is a matter of a personal decision between you and God.  You are not being baptized to be a part of a sect as you stated or into any denomination.  There is only one “true church”, and water baptism symbolizes your union with Jesus in his death, burial, and resurrection. I have nothing further to say about this.  I have given you scripture for my understanding, and it is the Word of God that I believe. Love in Christ, Marty

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 04 2012,18:43)

Hi T, But you have appointed yourself as the judge of truth. Why ask questions?

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