Who received the holy spirit

[NickHassan]

Hi,
2 Corinthians 1:22
Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
It is our responsibility to build on the foundation stone laid in us.
We do not want our work burnt down
Seek grace
2peter 1
1cor 3

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 17 2012,02:46)

Hi KW, Yes the gifts are given as an downpayment of the Spirit.[eph 1.14] Yes the inner changing of men by the Spirit is a slow process usually according to how much they resist the Spirit. Dogmas cause stumbling and sometimes stillbirth. The gift of tongues is to edify the saved beyond their understanding [jude20]and to pray for needs they are unaware of.[Rom8] It is also used in gatherings where there are some to decipher it.[1cor12]

Nick;

Were gifts of the Spirit given to men in the Old Covenant period?

Was the new man that is like God in true righteousness and holiness given in the Old Covenant period?

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
Yes God anointed prophets and healers and gave some wisdom and leadership gifts etc
The law was given for men to obey.

But the new man is Christ and they wait for Him to receive their reward.

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 17 2012,04:34)

Hi KW, Yes God anointed prophets and healers and gave some wisdom and leadership gifts etc The law was given for men to obey. But the new man is Christ and they wait for Him to receive their reward.

Nick;

So the gifts of the Spirit can be given to a person without given him the new man as well?

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
The new man is by the transforming power of the Spirit of Christ.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 17 2012,19:10)

Hi KW, The new man is by the transforming power of the Spirit of Christ.

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no ,it is by obeying to Gods words that we are transformed and so come to the understanding of it because he is given us that understanding so that we may know that he is with us and so is his son Christ our Lord

[NickHassan]

hi KW,
Grace came through Jesus Christ
1peter1
9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

John 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
Rom5
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

GRACE ENABLES

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 17 2012,07:10)

Hi KW, The new man is by the transforming power of the Spirit of Christ.

Nick;

Do you agree that the house of Cornelius received the gifts as a sign to believers that they were approved of God; but not the “transforming power of the Spirit” until they were immersed in water?

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
God considered them clean but all righteousness had to be fulfilled IMO

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 17 2012,10:26)

Hi KW, God considered them clean but all righteousness had to be fulfilled IMO

Nick;

As you state there is no favoritism before God.

Acts 10
King James Version (KJV)

28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Still they needed to have their sins washed away.

[942767]

Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,14:52)

Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,14:24) Hi Georgie, Amen! I missed you. Nice to see you back posting again! “That he might sanctify  and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word” (Eph 5:26) Your brother in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) holycitybiblecode.org Hi Nick, Notice it doesn't say 'with the washing of water by the water'? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed:

Is the following scripture part of the Word of God?

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Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. Act 2:37 Now when they heard [this], they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men [and] brethren, what shall we do? Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call.

With the “washing of water by the word”.

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Jhn 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Jhn 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. Jhn 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Jhn 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[NickHassan]

Hi,
Those reborn into Christ are sanctified by the Holy Spirit.
2 Thessalonians 2:13
But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.

It is the Spirit of Christ that perfects the sons of God.
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

Galatians 3:3
Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

[kerwin]

Quote (942767 @ May 20 2012,04:46)

Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,14:52) Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,14:24) Hi Georgie, Amen! I missed you. Nice to see you back posting again! “That he might sanctify  and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word” (Eph 5:26) Your brother in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) holycitybiblecode.org Hi Nick, Notice it doesn't say 'with the washing of water by the water'? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi Ed: Is the following scripture part of the Word of God? Quote Act 2:36   Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.   Act 2:37   Now when they heard [this], they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men [and] brethren, what shall we do?   Act 2:38   Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.   Act 2:39   For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call. With the “washing of water by the word”. Quote Jhn 17:14   I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.   Jhn 17:15   I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.   Jhn 17:16   They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.   Jhn 17:17   Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.   Love in Christ, Marty

To all;

Marty has a good point as is written that the Samaritans had received the Word when they were immersed but had not yet received the Gifts of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 8
King James Version (KJV)

12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

[942767]

Quote (terraricca @ May 15 2012,10:19)

N 1Co 1:10 I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought. 1Co 1:11 My brothers, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. 1Co 1:12 What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas’”; still another, “I follow Christ.” 1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul? 1Co 1:14 I am thankful that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, 1Co 1:15 so no one can say that you were baptized into my name. 1Co 1:16 (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.) 1Co 1:17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.

Hi T:

Water baptism is a “work or action” showing that one has come to God with a repentant heart believing what he has done for you in the person of Jesus Christ.

Paul was sent to preach the gospel so that people would believe. They must first believe if they are going to be baptized. He himself may not baptize them after they have believed, but he is not saying that they should not be baptized. The scripture that you quoted shows that he did baptize some.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[terraricca]

Quote (942767 @ May 21 2012,16:41)

Quote (terraricca @ May 15 2012,10:19) N 1Co 1:10 I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought. 1Co 1:11 My brothers, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. 1Co 1:12 What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas’”; still another, “I follow Christ.” 1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul? 1Co 1:14 I am thankful that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, 1Co 1:15 so no one can say that you were baptized into my name. 1Co 1:16 (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.) 1Co 1:17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power. Hi T: Water baptism is a “work or action” showing that one has come to God with a repentant heart believing what he has done for you in the person of Jesus Christ. Paul was sent to preach the gospel so that people would believe.  They must first believe if they are going to be baptized.  He himself may not baptize them after they have believed, but he is not saying that they should not be baptized.  The scripture that you quoted shows that he did baptize some. Love in Christ, Marty

Marty

AC 23:1 Paul, looking intently at the Council, said, “ Brethren, I have lived my life with a perfectly good conscience before God up to this day.”
AC 24:16 “In view of this, I also do my best to maintain always a blameless conscience both before God and before men.
RO 2:15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them,

1CO 8:7 However not all men have this knowledge; but some, being accustomed to the idol until now, eat food as if it were sacrificed to an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.

1CO 8:12 And so, by sinning against the brethren and wounding their conscience when it is weak, you sin against Christ.

so i say this that any one that feels he need baptism and that s the way to go ,I will never prevent this but support it ,but this does not mean that it should become a requirement ,for this would be a load that benefit only those who love to baptize for sectarian reason of belonging to “”us””(religion group)

doing Gods will is not baptism ,a instand ritual last 30 second,

God want us to love him to walk in his ways,he want us to put his will in our hearts,he wants us to recognize all the things he did for us,and daily remember him ,for the rest of our lives ,this is the true way.

[942767]

Quote (terraricca @ May 21 2012,12:06)

Quote (942767 @ May 21 2012,16:41) Quote (terraricca @ May 15 2012,10:19) N 1Co 1:10 I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought. 1Co 1:11 My brothers, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. 1Co 1:12 What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas’”; still another, “I follow Christ.” 1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul? 1Co 1:14 I am thankful that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, 1Co 1:15 so no one can say that you were baptized into my name. 1Co 1:16 (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.) 1Co 1:17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power. Hi T: Water baptism is a “work or action” showing that one has come to God with a repentant heart believing what he has done for you in the person of Jesus Christ. Paul was sent to preach the gospel so that people would believe.  They must first believe if they are going to be baptized.  He himself may not baptize them after they have believed, but he is not saying that they should not be baptized.  The scripture that you quoted shows that he did baptize some. Love in Christ, Marty Marty AC 23:1 Paul, looking intently at the Council, said, “ Brethren, I have lived my life with a perfectly good conscience before God up to this day.” AC 24:16 “In view of this, I also do my best to maintain always a blameless conscience both before God and before men. RO 2:15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 1CO 8:7 However not all men have this knowledge; but some, being accustomed to the idol until now, eat food as if it were sacrificed to an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled. 1CO 8:12 And so, by sinning against the brethren and wounding their conscience when it is weak, you sin against Christ. so i say this that any one that feels he need baptism and that s the way to go ,I will never prevent this but support it ,but this does not mean that it should become a requirement ,for this would be a load that benefit only those who love to baptize for sectarian reason of belonging to “”us””(religion group) doing Gods will is not baptism ,a instand ritual last 30 second, God want us to love him to walk in his ways,he want us to put his will in our hearts,he wants us to recognize all the things he did for us,and daily remember him ,for the rest of our lives ,this is the true way.

Hi T:

Do you want to pick and choose what part of the Word of God you obey and what part you do not?

Jesus is our example, and he was baptized in water, and he said when he was baptized:

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Mat 3:13 ¶ Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. Mat 3:14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? Mat 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer [it to be so] now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[terraricca]

Marty

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Hi T: Do you want to pick and choose what part of the Word of God you obey and what part you do not? Jesus is our example, and he was baptized in water, and he said when he was baptized:

Jesus came to the nation of Israel he told that himself, and only after his dead was the door open to the gentils,

now you want Jesus to be your example yes ,why you do not do the miracles that he did or walk on water ,why are you pick and chose what you want to imitate from Christ ?

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Imitate?
The Spirit changes us to BE like the Christ after rebirth

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