Who is this woman clothed with

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Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,11:20)

“How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!
how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars(Angels) of God:

I will sit also upon the mount of the [Physical] congregation(see 2Thess.2:3-4),
in the sides of the north:” (Isaiah 14:12-13)

“Great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised in the [Holy City] of our God, in the mountain
of his holiness. Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion,
on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.
God is known in her palaces for a refuge.” (Psalms 48:1-3)

God is known in her palaces for a refuge

Hi Ed,

I have done research on the Word Zion I think in English it means DRY .

Gen.1:10 And God called the DRY earth.

Can you help me??

Peace brother.

Hi Abe, nice investigative work! Yes, I sure can:

Not H6722
barren, drought, dry land, place, solitary place, wilderness

From an unused root meaning to parch; aridity; concretely, a desert — barren, drought, dry (land, place), solitary place, wilderness.

But H6725
sign, title, waymark

From the same as tsiyah in the sense of conspicuousness (compare natsach); a monumental or guiding pillar — sign, title, waymark.

But Zion does trace its origin back to H6722, and here is the
Scriptural meaning of the “Spiritual” matter YHVH is spelling out:

“For the LORD's portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.
He found him in a desert land, and in the waste howling wilderness; he led him about,
he instructed him, he kept him as the apple of his eye. As an eagle stirreth up her nest,
fluttereth over her young, spreadeth abroad her wings, taketh them, beareth them on her wings:
So the LORD alone did lead him, and there was no strange god with him.” (Deut 32:9-12)

Please feel free to ask more questions!

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

February 11, 2013 at 4:30 am#333039

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 10 2013,15:53)

Okay. I concur that the stars are Satan's angels.

The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child the moment it was born.
I've heard that this was attempted via Herod. Abe, what do you say? At what point was Satan waiting to devour Jesus?

Hi Mike,

Rev.12:5 And she bore a male child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her child was caught up to God and to his throne.

I cant see this child being born from Mary.

February 11, 2013 at 4:43 am#333040

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Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,17:18)

Quote (abe @ Feb. 11 2013,08:57)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,11:20)

“How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!
how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

God is known in her palaces for a refuge

Hi Ed,

I have done research on the Word Zion I think in English it means DRY .

Gen.1:10 And God called the DRY earth.

Can you help me??

Peace brother.

Hi Abe, nice investigative work! Yes, I sure can:

Not H6722
barren, drought, dry land, place, solitary place, wilderness

From an unused root meaning to parch; aridity; concretely, a desert — barren, drought, dry (land, place), solitary place, wilderness.

But H6725
sign, title, waymark

From the same as tsiyah in the sense of conspicuousness (compare natsach); a monumental or guiding pillar — sign, title, waymark.

But Zion does trace its origin back to H6722, and here is the
Scriptural meaning of the “Spiritual” matter YHVH is spelling out:

Please feel free to ask more questions!

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed,

Thank you.

Peace brother…

February 11, 2013 at 4:46 am#333041

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February 11, 2013 at 9:27 am#333107

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Quote (abe @ Feb. 11 2013,14:30)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 10 2013,15:53)

Okay. I concur that the stars are Satan's angels.

Hi Mike,

Rev.12:5 And she bore a male child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her child was caught up to God and to his throne.

I cant see this child being born from Mary.

Abe.

Rev12:1.2. is a dual prophesy.

The woman Mary is the physical flesh that gave birth to him, but he came down from God.

wakeup.

February 11, 2013 at 9:56 am#333112

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Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 11 2013,19:27)

Quote (abe @ Feb. 11 2013,14:30)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 10 2013,15:53)

Okay. I concur that the stars are Satan's angels.

Hi Mike,

Rev.12:5 And she bore a male child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her child was caught up to God and to his throne.

I cant see this child being born from Mary.

Abe.

Rev12:1.2. is a dual prophesy.

The woman Mary is the physical flesh that gave birth to him, but he came down from God.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

You are right about dual prophecy.
But Mary is not the queen of Heaven.
The Physical meaning is Israel, not Mary.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

February 11, 2013 at 1:00 pm#333132

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Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 11 2013,19:56)

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 11 2013,19:27)

Quote (abe @ Feb. 11 2013,14:30)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 10 2013,15:53)

Okay. I concur that the stars are Satan's angels.

Hi Mike,

Rev.12:5 And she bore a male child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her child was caught up to God and to his throne.

I cant see this child being born from Mary.

Abe.

Rev12:1.2. is a dual prophesy.

The woman Mary is the physical flesh that gave birth to him, but he came down from God.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

You are right about dual prophecy.
But Mary is not the queen of Heaven.
The Physical meaning is Israel, not Mary.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDj.

I dont know what you are trying to say,but Jesus the flesh came out of the whomb of Mary.

The Child never came out of israel,you have not properly understood the vision,and of the woman.

Before israel was;the woman was already with God,but she had no stars on her head.
The stars only came after she she has gone through israel.

Then she gave birth to her Son.
THE SON TOOK OVER AND HE THROUGH THE APOSTLES TAUGHT THE GENTILES. HE IS OUR KING; SHE IS NOW HIS WOMAN,HIS BRIDE.

wakeup.

February 11, 2013 at 6:41 pm#333158

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Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 11 2013,23:00)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 11 2013,19:56)

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 11 2013,19:27)

Quote (abe @ Feb. 11 2013,14:30)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 10 2013,15:53)

Okay. I concur that the stars are Satan's angels.

Hi Mike,

Rev.12:5 And she bore a male child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her child was caught up to God and to his throne.

I cant see this child being born from Mary.

Abe.

Rev12:1.2. is a dual prophesy.

The woman Mary is the physical flesh that gave birth to him, but he came down from God.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

You are right about dual prophecy.
But Mary is not the queen of Heaven.
The Physical meaning is Israel, not Mary.

God bless
Ed J

EDj.

I dont know what you are trying to say,but Jesus the flesh came out of the whomb of Mary.

The Child never came out of israel,you have not properly understood the vision,and of the woman.

Before israel was;the woman was already with God,but she had no stars on her head.
The stars only came after she she has gone through israel.

Then she gave birth to her Son.
THE SON TOOK OVER AND HE THROUGH THE APOSTLES TAUGHT THE GENTILES. HE IS OUR KING; SHE IS NOW HIS WOMAN,HIS BRIDE.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

Romans 1:3-4 pretty much sums up the matter of the women in Rev.12:

“Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:” (Romans 1:3-4)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

February 11, 2013 at 8:58 pm#333178

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Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 11 2013,02:27)

Quote (abe @ Feb. 11 2013,14:30)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 10 2013,15:53)

Okay. I concur that the stars are Satan's angels.

Hi Mike,

Rev.12:5 And she bore a male child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her child was caught up to God and to his throne.

I cant see this child being born from Mary.

Abe.

Rev12:1.2. is a dual prophesy.

The woman Mary is the physical flesh that gave birth to him, but he came down from God.

wakeup.

Hi Abe,

You make a good point, but let's follow Wakeup's interpretation through, and see if it fits the rest of the passage.

Okay, the dragon was really Herod (or operating through Herod), waiting for Jesus to be born, right?

5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne.

It seems to me that the birth would have to be the metaphorical birth of Jesus, when he was baptized, and not the literal birth through Mary.

That would fit the 1260 days, and the time, times and half a time. Jesus was “snatched up to God” after the first 1260 days of his ministry. He was cut off in the middle of the week. (Dan 9:27) That leaves another 1260 days, or “a time, times, and half a time” for God to watch over and protect the woman – as it says in verse 6 and verse 14.

(Perhaps 3 1/2 years of Jesus' ministry, and then 3 1/2 years of God's protection of the first disciples – to give them a little head start before Satan was allowed to sift them like wheat? 2 Thess 2:6-8)

I'm just spit-balling here.

February 11, 2013 at 9:02 pm#333180

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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 30 2013,16:24)

Hi Mike,

I suggest you read the “AKJV Bible” this time, it should help you to see.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

How about a new group of users called “Crackpots”?

They could then debate each other for the rest of their lives in a new Category called “Crackpots Area”.

Does anyone else think this is a good idea.

We would then be able to discuss important things without distractions like this.

February 11, 2013 at 11:16 pm#335267

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 12 2013,06:58)

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 11 2013,02:27)

Quote (abe @ Feb. 11 2013,14:30)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 10 2013,15:53)

Okay. I concur that the stars are Satan's angels.

Hi Mike,

Rev.12:5 And she bore a male child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her child was caught up to God and to his throne.

I cant see this child being born from Mary.

Abe.

Rev12:1.2. is a dual prophesy.

The woman Mary is the physical flesh that gave birth to him, but he came down from God.

wakeup.

Hi Abe,

You make a good point, but let's follow Wakeup's interpretation through, and see if it fits the rest of the passage.

Okay, the dragon was really Herod (or operating through Herod), waiting for Jesus to be born, right?

5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne.

It seems to me that the birth would have to be the metaphorical birth of Jesus, when he was baptized, and not the literal birth through Mary.

I'm just spit-balling here.

MIke B.

She gave birth to A MAN CHILD. not metaphorical.
He is real child,flesh and blood.

Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
HIS RESURRECTION.

Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
THIS WOMAN IS NOW WITH THE FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST,SHE HAD TO FLEE FROM PAUL THE PERSECUTOR OF THE CHRISTIANS. THE WILDERNES IS THE WORLD.
THEY HAD TO HIDE BEHIND LOCKED DOORS TO MEET,FOR
3/HALF YEARS: THIS IS WHEN PAUL WAS CONFRONTED BY JESUS,AND WAS CONVERTED.THE PERSECUTION STOPS.

Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
HERE IS THE CLEANING UP DONE IN HEAVEN.

Revelation 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
SATAN AND HIS ANGELS CAN NOT ENTER HEAVEN ANYMORE.

wakeup.

February 11, 2013 at 11:28 pm#335269

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She gave birth to A MAN CHILD. not metaphorical.
He is real child,flesh and blood.

Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

So your understanding is:

And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and 33 years later, when he was no longer a child, her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

It seems to me that the birth and the snatching happen almost simultaneously.

Abe's idea of “born from the dead” would fit the instant snatching.

(Again, don't get defensive. I'm only saying out loud what I'm thinking. I don't have the answers. I'm just talking it out.)

February 11, 2013 at 11:39 pm#335271

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,11:58)

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 11 2013,02:27)

Quote (abe @ Feb. 11 2013,14:30)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 10 2013,15:53)

Okay. I concur that the stars are Satan's angels.

Hi Mike,

Rev.12:5 And she bore a male child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her child was caught up to God and to his throne.

I cant see this child being born from Mary.

Abe.

Rev12:1.2. is a dual prophesy.

The woman Mary is the physical flesh that gave birth to him, but he came down from God.

wakeup.

Hi Abe,

You make a good point, but let's follow Wakeup's interpretation through, and see if it fits the rest of the passage.

Okay, the dragon was really Herod (or operating through Herod), waiting for Jesus to be born, right?

5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne.

It seems to me that the birth would have to be the metaphorical birth of Jesus, when he was baptized, and not the literal birth through Mary.

I'm just spit-balling here.

Hi Mike,

What was actually created? Jesus lived for over 30 years, not 3.5 years. Yes, his Ministry was 3.5 years.

Jn.3:28-29 ( John the Baptist ) You yourselves bear me witness, that I said. I am not the Christ, but, I have been sent before him. He who has the Bride, IS the Bridegroom; but the friend of the Bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the Bridegrooms voice. Therefore this joy of mine is fulfilled.

Is.65:18 But be glad and rejoice forever in what I CREATE ; for Behold, I CREATE Jerusalem as a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

Therefore this joy of mine is FULFILLED Jn.3:29

Rev.21:2-3 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband And I Heard a loud voice from heaven saying Behold, the TABERNACLE is WITH men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself will be with them.

Rev.21:10 And he carried me away IN THE SPIRIT to a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, the Holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God.
( That does not say NEW. )

Rev.21:22 But I saw NO TEMPLE in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its TEMPLE.

Rom.8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not his.

1Cor1:21 Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has Anointed us is God, who also has Sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a DEPOSIT

2Cor.5:4-5 For indeed for while we are in this tent, (flesh) we groan, being burdened, because we do not want to be unclothed but to be clothed, so that which is mortal will be swallowed up by life. Now it is God who has made us for this very purpose and has given us the Spirit as a DEPOSIT , GUARANTEEING what is TO COME.

Eph.1:13-14 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the Gospel of your salvation — having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit OF PROMISE WHO is a DEPOSIT GUARANTEEING our inheritance UNTIL the redemption of those who are Gods possession — to the praise of his glory.

Rom.8:22-23 For we know the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. and not only they, but we also who have the FIRSTFRUITS of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the REDEMPTION of our Body.

1Cor15:20 But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the FIRSTFRUITS of those who are asleep.

1Pet.1:3-4 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who through His abundant mercy has BEGOTTEN us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and does not Fade away, RESERVED in Heaven for You.

2Cor.5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a NEW CREATION ; old things have passed away; BEHOLD all things have become NEW.

Jn.16:7-11 (Jesus) Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your ADVANTAGE that I go away; for if I do not go away, the HELPER will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send him to you. And when he has come, he will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgement; of sin, because they do not believe in Me; of righteousness, because I go to the My Father and you see me no more; of judgement, because the ruler of this world is judged.

I think the Spirit of Christ ( New Jerusalem) is the guarantee of our future inheritance. Holy Jerusalem. (Spirit of God).

Jn.3:29 He who has the BRIDE is the BRIDEGROOM; but the friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegrooms voice. Therefore this joy of mine IS fulfilled.

Peace brother…

February 11, 2013 at 11:48 pm#335273

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 12 2013,09:28)

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 11 2013,16:16)

She gave birth to A MAN CHILD. not metaphorical.
He is real child,flesh and blood.

Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

So your understanding is:

And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and 33 years later, when he was no longer a child, her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

It seems to me that the birth and the snatching happen almost simultaneously.

Abe's idea of “born from the dead” would fit the instant snatching.

(Again, don't get defensive. I'm only saying out loud what I'm thinking. I don't have the answers. I'm just talking it out.)

MikeB.

I can see what you are thinking.

It seems that the child instantly turned 33yrs and caught up,without the crucifixion.

Ofcourse he had to grow up,be babtised ,teach crucified died and caught up.
It was not a child that was caught up.

Hope you can se it more clearly now.

I dont get defensive,only when one blatantly denies scriptures given.

wakeup.

February 12, 2013 at 12:00 am#335278

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Quote (abe @ Feb. 11 2013,16:39)

I think the Spirit of Christ ( New Jerusalem) is the guarantee of our future inheritance. Holy Jerusalem. (Spirit of God).

And do you think this New Jerusalem is the woman?

February 12, 2013 at 12:04 am#335279

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Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 11 2013,16:48)

Ofcourse he had to grow up,be babtised ,teach crucified died and caught up.
It was not a child that was caught up.

Hope you can se it more clearly now.

You're just saying out loud what I've already concluded, ie: If the child was Jesus when he was born on earth, then obviously, the child was not immediately snatched up to God – but 33 1/2 years later.

But saying it out loud doesn't help me to see more clearly how this can be.

The storyline suggests that Satan was waiting there, eager to devour the child. What were Satan and the woman doing for that 33 1/2 years before the child was FINALLY snatched up to God?

February 12, 2013 at 12:47 am#335288

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 12 2013,10:04)

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 11 2013,16:48)

Ofcourse he had to grow up,be babtised ,teach crucified died and caught up.
It was not a child that was caught up.

Hope you can se it more clearly now.

But saying it out loud doesn't help me to see more clearly how this can be.

The storyline suggests that Satan was waiting there, eager to devour the child. What were Satan and the woman doing for that 33 1/2 years before the child was FINALLY snatched up to God?

Mike B.

Satan was waiting for the child to be born,and then devour him,but God send his angel to inform Mary and Joseph to go to Egypt.
And there they stayed untill Herod died,the the angel then told them that they can come back.

Jesus grew up without Herod as king.

Satan first tried to tempt Jesus but he failed.

Jesus did the preaching ,and God was with him,so satan could only stir up the scribes and pharisees to go against him.

But after he Went back to his Father,the chursh was left to fend for them selves,and the pharisees send Paul to persecute them for 3/half yrs.

So only after Jesus went up thats when they got persecuted.

wakeup.

February 12, 2013 at 1:13 am#335292

terraricca

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look here

King Herod the Great

Herod (73-4 BCE) was the pro-Roman king of the small Jewish state in the last decades before the common era. He started his career as a general, but the Roman statesman Mark Antony recognized him as the Jewish national leader. During a war against the Parthians, Herod was removed from the scene, but the Roman Senate made him king and gave him soldiers to seize the the throne. As 'friend and ally of the Romans' he was not a truly independent king; however, Rome allowed him a domestic policy of his own. Although Herod tried to respect the pious feeling of his subjects, many of them were not content with his rule, which ended in terror. He was

if the dead of Herod is correct and can be trusted ;then Christ should have been born around 7 BC what would have made possible the massacre of Bethlehem and so Christ and his folks went to Egypt around 6 BC and could have been called back 3.5 years lather,
by that time the political climate was more or less settled in Judea and Herod ,forgotten,

of cause this would mean that Jesus came preaching around the year 26 AD and died around 30 AD

of cause this would make the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD be exactly 40 years or little less (this would be a repeat of what happen in the desert wen God condemn that generation so that they would not see the promised land )

this is my three pennies

February 12, 2013 at 1:52 am#335299

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 12 2013,11:13)

look here

King Herod the Great

of cause this would mean that Jesus came preaching around the year 26 AD and died around 30 AD

this is my three pennies

Terra.

THats about right,but can you picture the woman now?

wakeup.

February 12, 2013 at 2:18 am#335301