who is LUCIFER?

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  • #290806
    jammin
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    some says that ez 28.14-17 refers to satan.
    also, they are using IS 14.12

    is it true or just another opinion from men??

    what does the bible say about this?

    lucifer is not satan.

    for those who believe that lucifer is satan, you may respond to this post.

    #290826
    mikeboll64
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    I don't believe Satan is Lucifer either.  Ezekiel 28 refers to the king of Tyre.  Many confuse the text of verse 14, which really says,

    28:14 NETBible
    I placed you there with an anointed guardian cherub; you were on the holy mountain of God

    #290838
    terraricca
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    I don't believe he is Satan not even in Is;14;

    Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
    I will make myself like the Most High.”
    Isa 14:15 But you are brought down to the grave,
    to the depths of the pit.

    this confirms Revelation

    #291001
    Ed J
    Participant
    #291071
    jammin
    Participant

    mike and terrarica,

    we agree on this matter but i dont know with edj.
    it seems that edj believes that lucifer is satan. well, he cant read that in the bible. it is just again his opinion.

    #291092
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,

    Here is your proof. (Link)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #291113
    jammin
    Participant

    i already saw that link. but there is no verses there that say that lucifer is satan. make your own version

    #291132
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ April 09 2012,22:30)
    Hi Jammin,

    Here is your proof. (Link)

    God bless
    Ed J


    It's a different link, Jammin.

    That's why you have so much trouble learning truth,
    you continually make the assumption you already know.

                  The systems of religion have taught you errors, not truth.

    Revelation 18:4-5 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people,
    that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her
    sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #291133
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ April 10 2012,02:18)

    Quote (Ed J @ April 09 2012,22:30)
    Hi Jammin,

    Here is your proof. (Link)

    God bless
    Ed J


    It's a different link, Jammin.

    That's why you have so much trouble learning truth,
    you continually make the assumption you already know.

                  The systems of religion have taught you errors, not truth.

    Revelation 18:4-5 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people,
    that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her
    sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    no edj. i saw that already and the verse did not say that lucifer is satan.

    make your own version.

    #291213
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Everybody,

    Isa.14:19-20 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch,
    and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword,
    that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
    20: Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed
    thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

          These three points of focus “DO” establish the matter:

                       1. cast out of thy grave
                       2. like an abominable branch
                       3. thrust through with a sword

    “At the mouth of three witnesses,
      shall the matter be established.” (Deut 19:15)

    יהוה חאלהים (JEHOVAH GOD)
    עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)

    Father, I pray that you bring enlightenment to all who read this post, in YÄ-shü-ă's precious name I pray, Amen!

    #291214
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,


    All the fullness of the Godhead dwelt in [Jesus] bodily. (Col.2:9)
    Similarly, we are also a part of the body of Christ. (1Cor. 12:27)


          These three points of focus “DO” establish the matter:

                       1. cast out of thy grave
                       2. like an abominable branch
                       3. thrust through with a sword

    So we may then conclude that all of us, plus the fullness of the Godhead,
    are all part of the whole body of Christ. Did not GOD also create {Lucifer}
    and how is Lucifer connected to the body of Christ? Only in death was Lucifer
    connected to the body of Christ. The key is found in Isaiah 14:19: thou art cast
    out of thy grave
    like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain,
    thrust through with a sword. Jesus is the only person (so far) whose body was cast out
    of the grave
    . His body was also thrust through with a spear. Jesus is furthermore called
    the branch
    in Zechariah 3:8. But the significant difference here is these things happened
    to Jesus’ body after He was (a corpse)dead; “the body of sin”.


    עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)

    #291215
    Ed J
    Participant

    .                 (Trinity and non-Trinity, can both views be correct?)                

                         The three times the term “Godhead” is used

    “The Godhead”=77 and “Christ=77”; which Illustrated “Jesus”. <– Past tense
    Col:2:9: For in him (Christ=77) dwelleth all the fulness of “the Godhead”=77 bodily.

    YHVH=63 & “and Godhead”=63; illustrates “God The Father”. <– Present tense
    Rom:1:20: For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen,
                     being understood by the things that are made, even his (117=יהוה האלהים)
                     Eternal power “and Godhead”=63; so that they are without excuse:

    As the offspring of the “HolySpirit”; we will illustrate the “HolySpirit”. <– Future tense
    Acts:17:29: Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead
                       is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

    Your brother
    in Christ, Jesus.
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    holycitybiblecode.org

    #291219
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,

    Why it's important to know the seven feasts of God is because in them there is the recording of the Gospel:

    1. The Passover (Pesach) – Nisan 14-15 (Leviticus 23:5)……………………Passover is the feast of (יה) YÄ's Salvation.
    2. Unleavened Bread (Chag Hamotzi) – Nisan 15-22 (Levi.23:6) ………Unleavened Bread is Jesus, the bread of life.
    3. First Fruits (Yom Habikkurim) – Nisan 16-17 (Leviticus 23:11)………..First Fruits is resurrection or victory over death.
    4. Pentecost (Shavu’ot) – Sivan 6-7 (Leviticus 23:16) …………………………Pentecost is “God’s Spirit” given to indwell in man.
    5. Trumpets (Yom Teru’ah) – Tishri 1 (Leviticus 23:24)…………………………Trumpets is our proclamation of liberty through faith.
    6. Atonement (Yom Kippur) – Tishri 10 (Leviticus 23:27)………………………is Jesus’ atoning sacrifice for our sins upon () a cross.
    7. Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot) – Tishri 15-22 (Lev.23:34) ………………is the Feast of our ingathering unto The LORD our GOD.

    Chanaukah symbolizes repentance, which is the rededication of life unto the LORD our GOD (יהוה האלהים YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm).

    Your brother
    in Christ, Jesus.
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    holycitybiblecode.org

    #291220
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,

                    God's Name [יהוה] translates DIRECTLY into English as “YHVH”=63
                    The “Divine”=63 “Deity”=63 of “The Bible”=63 is “YHVH”=63 !
    Hosea 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth
                    is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as
                    [The Latter Rain“=151 and former rain“=117] unto the earth.

    I addedCOLOR”=63 to help you grasp the “Ideas” God has put forth in His Word!
    THE “THREE” MAIN “FEASTS OF GOD” (allocate as “The Trinity”=148) are as follows…

    1) The Passover”=148              “The Passover”: made possible “Pentecost”=117
       “Messiah: Jesus”=148                  “JESUS CHRIST“=151 was the “Testator”=151!

    2) Pentecost”=117                     Started  the “God Spirit”=117(Holy Spirit), which      
      Former Rain=117                    is “GOD THE FATHER”=117 reigning in Mankind!

    3) Feast of Booths”=151            begins The “HOLY SPIRIT”=151(The LORD JEHOVAH)
        The Latter Rain=151             “Tabernacles Feast”=151; the culmination of all “THREE”!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #291221
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED
    You say
    “So we may then conclude that all of us, plus the fullness of the Godhead,
    are all part of the whole body of Christ.”

    Who does you US include?

    All men? NO WAY
    All of christendom? NOT THE WHORE
    All those[few]joined to Christ by water and the Spirit? YES

    You should not JUMP TO conclusions.

    What is this GODHEAD?

    God is not a PART of the body of Christ.

    The Body of Christ is Spiritually joined with Him.

    God knows those who are his. Many are called but few are chosen.

    #291223
    Ed J
    Participant

    I apologize to everyone for being slightly off topic.
    But Jammin needs to see this information badly!

    Your brother
    in Christ, Jesus.
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    holycitybiblecode.org

    #291228
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2012,10:07)
    Hi ED
    You say
    “So we may then conclude that all of us, plus the fullness of the Godhead,
    are all part of the whole body of Christ.”

    Who does you US include?

    All men?    NO WAY
    All of christendom?   NOT THE WHORE
    All those[few]joined to Christ by water and the Spirit?  YES

    You should not JUMP TO conclusions.

    What is this GODHEAD?

    God is not a PART of the body of Christ.

    The Body of Christ is Spiritually joined with Him.

    God knows those who are his. Many are called but few are chosen.


    Hi Nick,


    All that 'squag' was separated form the body of “Christ” at his crucifixion!     <– Which "IS" the point that I have made.


    Except a man be   [born of water]     [born of the Spirit],   he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

    That which is [born of the flesh] is flesh; and that which is [born of the Spirit] is spirit. (John 3:5-6)


    “If the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you,
    he(HolySpirit) that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken
    your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.” (Romans 8:11)


    Your brother
    in Christ, Jesus.
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    holycitybiblecode.org

    #291235
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,
    The body of Jesus was changed I believe to the heavenly one on being taken up.

    He showed the meaning of the church[body] in the breaking and the sharing together of the bread and wine.

    The Spirit unites all members as one to Christ the head.

    #291238
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,
    What do you mean by SQUAG? Sin?

    You need to say who the US is.
    Only those with the Spirit of Christ are his.[Rom8]

    #291266
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2012,11:06)
    Hi ED,
    (1) What do you mean by SQUAG? Sin?

    (2) You need to say who the US is.
    (3) Only those with the Spirit of Christ are his.[Rom8]


    Hi Nick,

    1) The closest term you would be familiar with would be 'chaff' or 'tares'.
        'Squag' is the useless parts that are discarded: like an orange peal, shipping rap, ect.
    2) Everyone, the good, the bad, and the ugly, believers, non-believers, rebellious Angels, and loyal Angels.  

    3) To enter the kingdom of God, one(all Preexisting Angels) needs to be
         born of water(meaning born Physically) and Spiritually(or a Spiritual re-birth).

    Thank you for your time, Nick!
    Ed J

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