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Hi Pierre,
When God went to the trouble of explaining Jesus relationship to him as a Son,
I think God knew exactly how we would take that, God as his father and Mary
as his mother. Yet many think they need to redefine what God said; such as:1. No no no, Jesus was really God in the flesh.
2. No no no, Jesus was an Angel morphedTM into flesh.
3. No no no, Mary was only used as a surrogate mother to Jesus.
4. And the list of adding to God's word goes on, may God have mercy on us.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 22 2014,02:57) Hi Pierre, When God went to the trouble of explaining Jesus relationship to him as a Son,
I think God knew exactly how we would take that, God as his father and Mary
as his mother. Yet many think they need to redefine what God said; such as:1. No no no, Jesus was really God in the flesh.
2. No no no, Jesus was an Angel morphedTM into flesh.
3. No no no, Mary was only used as a surrogate mother to Jesus.
4. And the list of adding to God's word goes on, may God have mercy on us.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Oh yea, let's not forget the most bizarre:
“The word of God was an adult in Heaven” – WakeupQuote (Ed J @ June 21 2014,21:57) Hi Pierre, When God went to the trouble of explaining Jesus relationship to him as a Son,
I think God knew exactly how we would take that, God as his father and Mary
as his mother. Yet many think they need to redefine what God said; such as:1. No no no, Jesus was really God in the flesh.
2. No no no, Jesus was an Angel morphedTM into flesh.
3. No no no, Mary was only used as a surrogate mother to Jesus.
4. And the list of adding to God's word goes on, may God have mercy on us.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Edjwell we also can add the one of Jacobs and Esau his brother the first born ;
but he sold his firstborn rights to his so called younger brother ;
but I have read a few years ago that the medical research as proven that it is the second born in twins that is the first and the oldest of the two ,
meaning that Jacobs was the rightful firstborn after all ,
but people did not know it at that time ,
so did people knew at the time of Jesus that it was possible to use a surrogate women
i do not think soEDj
Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD ” why
Col 1:15 He(Jesus) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For through him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisibleif you believe in scriptures why do you not believe those words Paul as said under inspiration from the HS??? and so make him the one born after all others
Hi Pierre,
The term “firstborn” is about Jesus' preeminence, not a
secret creation tale of the order of created morphedTM angels.No matter how many times you present that misconception,
it will never change what Scripture clearly says about God's Son.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 21 2014,22:24) Hi Pierre, The term “firstborn” is about Jesus' preeminence, not a
secret creation tale of the order of created morphedTM angels.No matter how many times you present that misconception,
it will never change what Scripture clearly says about God's Son.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdjI want to see scriptures not opinions ,and do not break the scriptures
if you cannot do that ,that means I am right the way I see those scriptures and you should also accept them as such ,
so show me ;and do not do like wakeup coming up with LAME ANSWERS
AND DO NOT FORGET COL;1;15 TO 21 ARE NOT THE ONLY SCRIPTURES THAT I CAN QUOTE TO YOU
Hi Pierre,
Here is the part that clarifies the meaning,
it says that he is firstborn of the dead,
NOT THE FIRST CREATED BEING.“(he, Jesus is) the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.” (Col 1:18)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 22 2014,00:18) Hi Pierre, Here is the part that clarifies the meaning,
it says that he is firstborn of the dead,
NOT THE FIRST CREATED BEING.“(he, Jesus is) the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.” (Col 1:18)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Edjdon't start again ;first things first Paul talks not you ;so follow Paul view not the way you want;or do you not believe Paul words
Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
Col 1:21 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior.
Col 1:22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation—
Col 1:23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.if you want we can see and go through Paul's words step by step or better number each item or thought ,he describes ,
so we both follow the reasoning he teaches ;okay???Quote (terraricca @ June 21 2014,09:14) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 21 2014,21:10)
EDJ………Eligiah will come befor That GREAT and TERRIBLE Day of the comming of the “LORD” The LORD mentioned there is not the lord (adoni) Jesus the man, it is (adonia) the LORD GOD. Eligiah come at the end of the thousand year rule of the Son of Man Jesus Christ and the Saints, it's at the end of the Miliamium not at the begining of it. IMO
GENEGot any scriptures support
and support that does not make Christ a liar
I agree with Gene. Elijah can come more than once. He lived as a man on earth. Then he came again as John the Baptist. Then he came again at Jesus' transfiguration. And he will come again before the great and dreadful “day of Jehovah”. IMOQuote (Ed J @ June 21 2014,10:08) What happened to the thread “Bazaar-o-world”
Try “Bizarro World”.But for the record, the one you call “the most bizarre” is one I happen to agree with. Jesus is older than any of the other angels, because he was the firstborn, and all the others were created through him.
And, considering that the angels were likely around for eons before God created the earth and human beings, I'd say it's a pretty safe bet that Jesus was “an adult” before he was caused to be born according to the flesh.
Unless you don't consider a BILLION year old being to be “an adult”.
Quote (Ed J @ June 21 2014,10:24) Hi Pierre, The term “firstborn” is about Jesus' preeminence, not a
secret creation tale of the order of created morphedTM angels.No matter how many times you present that misconception,
it will never change what Scripture clearly says about God's Son.
Ed, the term “firstborn” has, as its DEFAULT meaning: “the one born first”.There are other metaphorical uses of that word, but in each case, it is clear from the context that “firstborn” is being used metaphorically.
What context tells us that the word “firstborn”, in the case of Jesus, is metaphorical, and not literally “the one born first”?
For example, Col 1:15-16 tells us that Jesus is the firstborn of every creature, FOR everything in heaven and on earth, whether visible or invisible, was created through him and for him.
You have to admit that this makes a pretty good argument to take “firstborn of EVERY CREATURE” literally. Because if he was not literally the first one born, how could EVERYTHING in heaven and on earth have been created through him and for him?
At the very least, you cannot condemn us for believing those words the way we do. You cannot honestly say we are “adding to” or “twisting” the scriptures. Because the truth is that we are just applying the MOST LOGICAL meaning to that statement. Ie: “He HAD TO BE the first one born, for all the other ones were created through him.”
Quote (Ed J @ June 21 2014,12:18) Hi Pierre, Here is the part that clarifies the meaning,
it says that he is firstborn of the dead,
NOT THE FIRST CREATED BEING.“(he, Jesus is) the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.” (Col 1:18)
Ah…………Case in point. When it says Jesus was “the firstborn from the dead”, isn't it a LITERAL statement? Isn't he LITERALLY the first of the first fruits to have been raised from the dead to everlasting life? Was he not LITERALLY the first – with many brethren soon to follow?
So once again, the CONTEXT tells us that Jesus was LITERALLY the “one born first from the dead”.
So why ISN'T it the literal meaning in Col 1:15? Because you don't WANT it to be?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2014,08:32) Quote (terraricca @ June 21 2014,09:14) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 21 2014,21:10)
EDJ………Eligiah will come befor That GREAT and TERRIBLE Day of the comming of the “LORD” The LORD mentioned there is not the lord (adoni) Jesus the man, it is (adonia) the LORD GOD. Eligiah come at the end of the thousand year rule of the Son of Man Jesus Christ and the Saints, it's at the end of the Miliamium not at the begining of it. IMO
GENEGot any scriptures support
and support that does not make Christ a liar
I agree with Gene. Elijah can come more than once. He lived as a man on earth. Then he came again as John the Baptist. Then he came again at Jesus' transfiguration. And he will come again before the great and dreadful “day of Jehovah”. IMO
Miketo my understanding people do not die and keep jumping up some were as another person ,
this is not the way of God the creator of all things,
MT 17:10 And His disciples asked Him, “Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?”
MT 17:11 And He answered and said, “Elijah is coming and will restore all things;
MT 17:12 but I say to you that Elijah already came, and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.”I have no idea where some people get their info as that Elijah as to come back at the end of the 1000 years
beats me Quote (terraricca @ June 22 2014,13:57) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2014,08:32) Quote (terraricca @ June 21 2014,09:14) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 21 2014,21:10)
EDJ………Eligiah will come befor That GREAT and TERRIBLE Day of the comming of the “LORD” The LORD mentioned there is not the lord (adoni) Jesus the man, it is (adonia) the LORD GOD. Eligiah come at the end of the thousand year rule of the Son of Man Jesus Christ and the Saints, it's at the end of the Miliamium not at the begining of it. IMO
GENEGot any scriptures support
and support that does not make Christ a liar
I agree with Gene. Elijah can come more than once. He lived as a man on earth. Then he came again as John the Baptist. Then he came again at Jesus' transfiguration. And he will come again before the great and dreadful “day of Jehovah”. IMO
Miketo my understanding people do not die and keep jumping up some were as another person ,
this is not the way of God the creator of all things,
MT 17:10 And His disciples asked Him, “Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?”
MT 17:11 And He answered and said, “Elijah is coming and will restore all things;
MT 17:12 but I say to you that Elijah already came, and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.”I have no idea where some people get their info as that Elijah as to come back at the end of the 1000 years
beats me
T.What??
Where did you get this from?
Elijah coming at the end of the thousand years?
You seem to make things up in your mind.
Too much vino.wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ June 21 2014,20:57) Mike, to my understanding people do not die and keep jumping up some were as another person ,
this is not the way of God the creator of all things,
MT 17:10 And His disciples asked Him, “Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?”
MT 17:11 And He answered and said, “Elijah is coming and will restore all things;
MT 17:12 but I say to you that Elijah already came, and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.”I have no idea where some people get their info as that Elijah as to come back at the end of the 1000 years
beats me
Pierre,Jesus plainly told us that John the Baptist WAS Elijah.
Matthew 11
11 Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.12 From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence, and violent people have been raiding it.
13 For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John.
14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.
15 Whoever has ears, let them hear.
He will come again……. before the great and dreadful day of Jehovah.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 22 2014,09:26) Quote (terraricca @ June 22 2014,13:57) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2014,08:32) Quote (terraricca @ June 21 2014,09:14) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 21 2014,21:10)
EDJ………Eligiah will come befor That GREAT and TERRIBLE Day of the comming of the “LORD” The LORD mentioned there is not the lord (adoni) Jesus the man, it is (adonia) the LORD GOD. Eligiah come at the end of the thousand year rule of the Son of Man Jesus Christ and the Saints, it's at the end of the Miliamium not at the begining of it. IMO
GENEGot any scriptures support
and support that does not make Christ a liar
I agree with Gene. Elijah can come more than once. He lived as a man on earth. Then he came again as John the Baptist. Then he came again at Jesus' transfiguration. And he will come again before the great and dreadful “day of Jehovah”. IMO
Miketo my understanding people do not die and keep jumping up some were as another person ,
this is not the way of God the creator of all things,
MT 17:10 And His disciples asked Him, “Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?”
MT 17:11 And He answered and said, “Elijah is coming and will restore all things;
MT 17:12 but I say to you that Elijah already came, and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.”I have no idea where some people get their info as that Elijah as to come back at the end of the 1000 years
beats me
T.What??
Where did you get this from?
Elijah coming at the end of the thousand years?
You seem to make things up in your mind.
Too much vino.wakeup.
wread gene quote in the framed quotes
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2014,10:29) Quote (terraricca @ June 21 2014,20:57) Mike, to my understanding people do not die and keep jumping up some were as another person ,
this is not the way of God the creator of all things,
MT 17:10 And His disciples asked Him, “Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?”
MT 17:11 And He answered and said, “Elijah is coming and will restore all things;
MT 17:12 but I say to you that Elijah already came, and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.”I have no idea where some people get their info as that Elijah as to come back at the end of the 1000 years
beats me
Pierre,Jesus plainly told us that John the Baptist WAS Elijah.
Matthew 11
11 Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.12 From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence, and violent people have been raiding it.
13 For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John.
14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.
15 Whoever has ears, let them hear.
He will come again……. before the great and dreadful day of Jehovah.
MikeQuote Jesus plainly told us that John the Baptist WAS Elijah. I do not read that in scriptures ;
Mt 17:10 The disciples asked him, “Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?”
Mt 17:11 Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things.MT 17:12 but I say to you that Elijah already came, and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.”
Jn 1:21 They asked him, “Then who are you? Are you Elijah?”
He said, “I am notJn 1:25 questioned him, “Why then do you baptize if you are not the Christ, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?”
Jn 1:23 John replied in the words of Isaiah the prophet, “I am the voice of one calling in the desert, ‘Make straight the way for the Lord.’ ”
Jn 1:10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.
look in Mathew it says they did not recognize Elijah ,but John says the same thing about Jesus Christ in John 1;10 ,and still many on this site do not recognize Christ the son of God and this is now 2000 years later no change why
Quote (terraricca @ June 21 2014,22:45) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2014,10:29) Quote (terraricca @ June 21 2014,20:57) Mike, to my understanding people do not die and keep jumping up some were as another person ,
this is not the way of God the creator of all things,
MT 17:10 And His disciples asked Him, “Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?”
MT 17:11 And He answered and said, “Elijah is coming and will restore all things;
MT 17:12 but I say to you that Elijah already came, and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.”I have no idea where some people get their info as that Elijah as to come back at the end of the 1000 years
beats me
Pierre,Jesus plainly told us that John the Baptist WAS Elijah.
Matthew 11
11 Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.12 From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence, and violent people have been raiding it.
13 For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John.
14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.
15 Whoever has ears, let them hear.
He will come again……. before the great and dreadful day of Jehovah.
MikeQuote Jesus plainly told us that John the Baptist WAS Elijah. I do not read that in scriptures ;
Mt 17:10 The disciples asked him, “Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?”
Mt 17:11 Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things.MT 17:12 but I say to you that Elijah already came, and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.”
Jesus was talking about John the Baptist that time as well.Pierre, how can I post a scripture in which Jesus plainly tells us that John the Baptist WAS the Elijah who was to come, and then you respond by saying, “I do not read that in scriptures” ?
How can you NOT read it in the scriptures, when I just posted and bolded the actual scripture that says it?
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