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Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 29 2013,13:08) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 29 2013,17:11) Wakeup, On the third Night and Day the sun and stars did not shine and the moon did not reflect light in the sky as they were lighted on the forth Night and Day. Earth and only night until the the forth Night and Day as God had not yet appointed a night and day for it.
You are claiming light and darkness were divided for earth before God appointed the Sun and the Moon “to divide the light from the darkness”. Why do you believe that?
Kerwin.Let there be light,and the waters evaporated.
Not on the fouth day,wakeup.
Wakeup,I quoted from the AV of the KJV. Are you saying it is untrue?
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 30 2013,12:00) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 29 2013,13:08) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 29 2013,17:11) Wakeup, On the third Night and Day the sun and stars did not shine and the moon did not reflect light in the sky as they were lighted on the forth Night and Day. Earth and only night until the the forth Night and Day as God had not yet appointed a night and day for it.
You are claiming light and darkness were divided for earth before God appointed the Sun and the Moon “to divide the light from the darkness”. Why do you believe that?
Kerwin.Let there be light,and the waters evaporated.
Not on the fouth day,wakeup.
Wakeup,I quoted from the AV of the KJV. Are you saying it is untrue?
Kerwin.It's not the bible;it's your interpretation.
wakeup.
kerwin
wakeup as it plan in a perfect way ;if you quote another bible it is false ;if you quoting the KJV you do not interpreted rightly ;this is a win/win for wakeup
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 30 2013,12:16) kerwin wakeup as it plan in a perfect way ;if you quote another bible it is false ;if you quoting the KJV you do not interpreted rightly ;this is a win/win for wakeup
T.Is that not commonsense?
The sun has to be there first for the water to evaporate.
What say you?wakeup
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 30 2013,08:55) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 30 2013,12:16) kerwin wakeup as it plan in a perfect way ;if you quote another bible it is false ;if you quoting the KJV you do not interpreted rightly ;this is a win/win for wakeup
T.Is that not commonsense?
The sun has to be there first for the water to evaporate.
What say you?wakeup
wthat show wickedness mind
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 30 2013,07:12) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 30 2013,12:00) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 29 2013,13:08) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 29 2013,17:11) Wakeup, On the third Night and Day the sun and stars did not shine and the moon did not reflect light in the sky as they were lighted on the forth Night and Day. Earth and only night until the the forth Night and Day as God had not yet appointed a night and day for it.
You are claiming light and darkness were divided for earth before God appointed the Sun and the Moon “to divide the light from the darkness”. Why do you believe that?
Kerwin.Let there be light,and the waters evaporated.
Not on the fouth day,wakeup.
Wakeup,I quoted from the AV of the KJV. Are you saying it is untrue?
Kerwin.It's not the bible;it's your interpretation.
wakeup.
Wakeup,At this point you are the one stating that the night and day of earth were not divided on the Forth Night and Day. I am simply pointing out Scripture states it is. The Night and Day of creation are heavenly Night and Day not earths. Since your teaching disagrees wit Scripture it seems clear you do no agree with what is written.
Perhaps instead you are not explaining yourself and why you come to the conclusions you do.
Kerwin.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
THIS IS THE EARTHLY HEAVEN,AND THE EARTH.
NOT GOD'S KINGDOM IN HEAVEN.Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
THE EARTH IS JUST A BALL OF WATER WITH NO FORM,AND NO LIVE.
NO HILLS NOR VALLEY'S. AND IT WAS DARK.Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Genesis 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
GOD SAW THE LIGHT.THE SUN.
Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
THE EARTH HAD TO SPIN TO GIVE NIGHT AND DAY.
Genesis 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Genesis 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
EVAPORATION. CLOUDS CREATED.
Genesis 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
GOD CALLED THE **FIRMAMENT** HEAVEN.
LOOK UP AT NIGHT; YOU WILL SEE THE FIRMAMENT.Genesis 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
MORE EVAPORATION;TO LET THE LAND APPEAR.
Genesis 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
THE EARTH IS NOW SEA AND LAND.
Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Genesis 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
THE EARTH HAS VEGETATION NOW. READY FOR THE LIVING BREATHING.
Genesis 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
THE LIGHTS OF THE FIRMAMENT. ***.FOR SIGNS.
THE SUN AND MOON WAS THERE ALREADY FOR LIFE TO EXIST.THERE CAN BE NO FIRST DAY WITHOUT THE SUN.Genesis 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
THIS IS JUST A REPEAT OF VERSE 14.
Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
A REPEAT STATEMENT.
Genesis 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
REPEAT STATEMENT.
Genesis 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
REPEAT STATEMENT.THE LIGHT WAS ALREADY DEVIDED
FROM DARKNESS,***IN THE FIRST DAY***Genesis 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
THERE WAS A 1,2,3RD DAY BEFORE THE 4TH DAY.
Genesis 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Genesis 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
SEA CREATURES APPEARED AFTER THE GREEN.
Genesis 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
GOD BLESSED THEM.
Genesis 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Genesis 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
MAMMALS CREATED.
Genesis 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
A REPEAT STATEMENT.
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
wakeup.
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Quote THIS IS THE EARTHLY HEAVEN,AND THE EARTH.
NOT GOD'S KINGDOM IN HEAVEN.Ge 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth
how do you know for sure
Wakeup,
Quote Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. THIS IS THE EARTHLY HEAVEN,AND THE EARTH.
NOT GOD'S KINGDOM IN HEAVEN.So the AV of the KJV is wrong when it states that Heaven was created on the second Night and Day.
Can you use reason and so explain where you are coming from?
Wakeup,
Quote Genesis 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. REPEAT STATEMENT.THE LIGHT WAS ALREADY DEVIDED
FROM DARKNESS,***IN THE FIRST DAY***No, In this case it is specifically speaking of the division if the night and the darkness being tied with the the moon and the Sun which it just stated God had set in the heaven the same day. It is also part of what occurred on the forth Night and Day, not the first.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 29 2013,00:12) Mike, You just are afraid to test your own doctrine.
What are you talking about? I've read each and every scripture you've posted. I've listened to all of your claims.But then I showed YOU scriptures that support the way I see it.
Now, should I just throw LOGIC and God-given COMMON SENSE out the window because certain scriptures are worded in such a way that they could possibly support the NONSENSICAL conclusion you came up with?
Kerwin, there are MANY more scriptures that could be misconstrued to say that Moses is God Almighty. Does it mean that I'm “afraid to test my doctrine” if I refuse to misconstrue those scriptures that way?
There are MANY more scriptures that could be used to support a triune God. Should I throw COMMON SENSE out the window, ignore the majority of scriptures for the sake of those few, and conclude that there IS a triune God?
And the scriptures the JWs interpret as saying Jesus is Michael the Archangel are much more compelling than your “foundation” scriptures. Am I “afraid” if I don't understand those scriptures the same way the JWs understand them, and therefore DON'T believe Jesus is Michael? They are, after all, MUCH more compelling than the ones you are using in this discussion.
MY doctrine is the most sensible, Kerwin. It makes GOOD sense that the angels shouted for joy WHEN God formed the earth – not when He caused land to come up out of the water.
It makes BAD sense to think that God STARTED making the earth, then stopped to make the angels, and then came back and FINISHED making the earth.
So I don't doubt that you can find various scriptural wordings here and there to support your asinine conclusion, but don't pat yourself on the back too hard. Because ANYONE can find a TON of various scriptural wordings to support just about ANY asinine doctrine they want to invent.
Non-preexistence, Trinity, Oneness, Kathi's Two Almighty God theory, the JW's Michael=Jesus theory, and just about ANYTHING Charles has ever written on this site are all proof of this.
The bottom line is that “foundations” ALWAYS refers to the BEGINNING of something. In Job 38, the LOGICAL meaning of “foundations” is the beginning of the earth itself. Just because we can find a scripture that speaks of the “foundations” of the mountain ranges ON the earth, or whatever, doesn't mean we should blow off the most LOGICAL understanding of Job 38. We shouldn't just assume it DOES refer to the foundations of mountains – just because that understanding is POSSIBLE.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 29 2013,00:15) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 29 2013,08:28) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 28 2013,15:26) Mike, The celebration of the Second Temple occurred when/after the foundation was laid by the builders the people celebrated. Does that seem strange to you?
Not at all. It WOULD seem strange to learn that the temple had already been built BEFORE they laid its foundation.And that is what you claim happened with the earth…. that God first made the earth, and THEN laid its foundations.
Mike,What I am saying is that is not your opinion of when earth is finished being built but God's and he rested on the seventh day after he had finished building both the earth and the heaven.
Kerwin,Your sentence is poorly constructed. I assume it is missing the word “it” between “that” and “is”…… but I can't be sure.
Please proofread your posts before posting them.
Anyway, I simply want a YES or NO answer for the following:
Kerwin, is it your understanding that God first FORMED the earth, and then LATER laid the foundations of the earth? YES or NO?
Quote Kerwin, there are MANY more scriptures that could be misconstrued to say that Moses is God Almighty. Does it mean that I'm “afraid to test my doctrine” if I refuse to misconstrue those scriptures that way? There are MANY more scriptures that could be used to support a triune God. Should I throw COMMON SENSE out the window, ignore the majority of scriptures for the sake of those few, and conclude that there IS a triune God?
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That was a very humorous blog, tigger.
I did that same thing with Moses for Lightenup once. I showed her that there were more compelling scriptures saying HE was Jehovah than there were saying Jesus was Jehovah.
Of course I didn't go to the great lengths and research your writer went to.
Kudos, and well done – whoever he is.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 31 2013,04:40) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 29 2013,00:15) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 29 2013,08:28) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 28 2013,15:26) Mike, The celebration of the Second Temple occurred when/after the foundation was laid by the builders the people celebrated. Does that seem strange to you?
Not at all. It WOULD seem strange to learn that the temple had already been built BEFORE they laid its foundation.And that is what you claim happened with the earth…. that God first made the earth, and THEN laid its foundations.
Mike,What I am saying is that is not your opinion of when earth is finished being built but God's and he rested on the seventh day after he had finished building both the earth and the heaven.
Kerwin,Your sentence is poorly constructed. I assume it is missing the word “it” between “that” and “is”…… but I can't be sure.
Please proofread your posts before posting them.
Anyway, I simply want a YES or NO answer for the following:
Kerwin, is it your understanding that God first FORMED the earth, and then LATER laid the foundations of the earth? YES or NO?
Mike,I have a bad habit of forgetting words. Here is my corrected work.
What I am saying is that it is not your opinion of when earth is finished being built but God's and we know he rested on the seventh day which was the day after he had finished building both the earth and the heaven.
I have to admit that I am already striving check my work before I submit it and what you see is the results of that.
Yes as Genesis 1 and 2 tells us how the earth was both ordered and given form.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 30 2013,18:44) I have to admit that I am already striving ? check my work before I submit it ? and what you see is the results of that.
Let's fill in those question marks, shall we?I have to admit that I am already striving TO check my work before I submit it; and what you see is the results of that.
There; that's better.
I'm also pretty sure it should either be, “ARE the results of that”, or, “is the RESULT of that” – but I'm not an English teacher. And my intent is not to nitpick, but to encourage you to write a post that we can actually understand.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 30 2013,18:44) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 31 2013,04:40)
Kerwin, is it your understanding that God first FORMED the earth, and then LATER laid the foundations of the earth? YES or NO?
Mike,Yes…………… as Genesis 1 and 2 tells us how the earth was both ordered and given form.
Okay. All I needed was the “YES”.You go ahead with that belief. I don't believe you'll ever find much support for it, though.
Kerwin, do yourself a favor and read the blog tigger wrote. He did a great job of showing how someone can come up with a theory that they WANT the scriptures to teach, and then go scurrying and scampering about to find unrelated and out of context scriptures that could be used as support for that theory – no matter how nonsensical that theory might be.
You do this A LOT! (For example, see how you're looking hard at different meanings of “doxa”, and bringing in unrelated, out of context scriptures, just so you don't have to accept the most sensible understanding of Jesus' words in John 17:5.)
The point is: Just because it's POSSIBLE to take a bunch of scriptures out of context, and make it seem like the Bible teaches that King David is the fourth person in a Quadrinity Godhead, it doesn't mean it's a sound, honest, or sensible thing to do.
Do you understand that?
Quote (tigger2 @ Dec. 30 2013,18:35) Thanks, Mike. That's my blog, and the studies on it are mine.
Wow! Color me impressed.Are all the writings on that site your work? (I know you said “studies” – as in plural – but I'm double checking.)
Thank you, Mike. I truly appreciate your kind comments.
Yes, all those subjects on the right-hand side listed under ‘Trinity Subjects’ are files I have submitted. My partner and lifelong friend started the blog for me, maintains it, and sometimes adds illustrations. I have also contributed many of the subjects on our other blogs.
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