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Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 15 2013,15:48) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 15 2013,16:42) Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 15 2013,11:08) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 14 2013,16:13) j42 Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
the beginning is from Adam and Eve creation and on,
PierreThe beginning is the begging of ALL CREATION. God would of created the angels and all the host of heaven long before he created the earth and Adam and Eve.
The angels were not created at the same time as God created the earth, but before. Lucifer was already in existence by the time they were put in the Garden of Eden. He was not that “good” cherub anymore so time has passed.
…And God knew the end in the beginning.
J42Just tell me ,to whom did God DECLARED IT
Not to the men on mars, or the animals, but to us Pierre. All those who believe the scriptures and can put two and two together!
j42so the beginning is when men was created right
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 16 2013,03:34) Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 15 2013,15:48) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 15 2013,16:42) Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 15 2013,11:08) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 14 2013,16:13) j42 Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
the beginning is from Adam and Eve creation and on,
PierreThe beginning is the begging of ALL CREATION. God would of created the angels and all the host of heaven long before he created the earth and Adam and Eve.
The angels were not created at the same time as God created the earth, but before. Lucifer was already in existence by the time they were put in the Garden of Eden. He was not that “good” cherub anymore so time has passed.
…And God knew the end in the beginning.
J42Just tell me ,to whom did God DECLARED IT
Not to the men on mars, or the animals, but to us Pierre. All those who believe the scriptures and can put two and two together!
j42so the beginning is when men was created right
T.In the ***BEGINNING*** was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
You should be reinstated to the class for beginners.
It is too much for you in this class.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 16 2013,16:12) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 16 2013,03:34) Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 15 2013,15:48) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 15 2013,16:42) Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 15 2013,11:08) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 14 2013,16:13) j42 Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
the beginning is from Adam and Eve creation and on,
PierreThe beginning is the begging of ALL CREATION. God would of created the angels and all the host of heaven long before he created the earth and Adam and Eve.
The angels were not created at the same time as God created the earth, but before. Lucifer was already in existence by the time they were put in the Garden of Eden. He was not that “good” cherub anymore so time has passed.
…And God knew the end in the beginning.
J42Just tell me ,to whom did God DECLARED IT
Not to the men on mars, or the animals, but to us Pierre. All those who believe the scriptures and can put two and two together!
j42so the beginning is when men was created right
T.In the ***BEGINNING*** was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
You should be reinstated to the class for beginners.
It is too much for you in this class.wakeup.
wyou show that you never have study the scriptures ,just over see them ,may be it is time to really study them in a very serious manner,
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 17 2013,00:16) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 16 2013,16:12) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 16 2013,03:34) Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 15 2013,15:48) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 15 2013,16:42) Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 15 2013,11:08) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 14 2013,16:13) j42 Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
the beginning is from Adam and Eve creation and on,
PierreThe beginning is the begging of ALL CREATION. God would of created the angels and all the host of heaven long before he created the earth and Adam and Eve.
The angels were not created at the same time as God created the earth, but before. Lucifer was already in existence by the time they were put in the Garden of Eden. He was not that “good” cherub anymore so time has passed.
…And God knew the end in the beginning.
J42Just tell me ,to whom did God DECLARED IT
Not to the men on mars, or the animals, but to us Pierre. All those who believe the scriptures and can put two and two together!
j42so the beginning is when men was created right
T.In the ***BEGINNING*** was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
You should be reinstated to the class for beginners.
It is too much for you in this class.wakeup.
wyou show that you never have study the scriptures ,just over see them ,may be it is time to really study them in a very serious manner,
T.You dont even know when the beginning was.
That shows your nakedness.
What flesh have you been feeding on all those years?
That is the reason why the nakedness.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 16 2013,20:41) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 17 2013,00:16) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 16 2013,16:12) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 16 2013,03:34) Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 15 2013,15:48) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 15 2013,16:42) Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 15 2013,11:08) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 14 2013,16:13) j42 Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
the beginning is from Adam and Eve creation and on,
PierreThe beginning is the begging of ALL CREATION. God would of created the angels and all the host of heaven long before he created the earth and Adam and Eve.
The angels were not created at the same time as God created the earth, but before. Lucifer was already in existence by the time they were put in the Garden of Eden. He was not that “good” cherub anymore so time has passed.
…And God knew the end in the beginning.
J42Just tell me ,to whom did God DECLARED IT
Not to the men on mars, or the animals, but to us Pierre. All those who believe the scriptures and can put two and two together!
j42so the beginning is when men was created right
T.In the ***BEGINNING*** was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
You should be reinstated to the class for beginners.
It is too much for you in this class.wakeup.
wyou show that you never have study the scriptures ,just over see them ,may be it is time to really study them in a very serious manner,
T.You dont even know when the beginning was.
That shows your nakedness.
What flesh have you been feeding on all those years?
That is the reason why the nakedness.wakeup.
du deja vue
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 17 2013,01:51) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 16 2013,20:41) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 17 2013,00:16) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 16 2013,16:12) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 16 2013,03:34) Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 15 2013,15:48) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 15 2013,16:42) Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 15 2013,11:08) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 14 2013,16:13) j42 Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
the beginning is from Adam and Eve creation and on,
PierreThe beginning is the begging of ALL CREATION. God would of created the angels and all the host of heaven long before he created the earth and Adam and Eve.
The angels were not created at the same time as God created the earth, but before. Lucifer was already in existence by the time they were put in the Garden of Eden. He was not that “good” cherub anymore so time has passed.
…And God knew the end in the beginning.
J42Just tell me ,to whom did God DECLARED IT
Not to the men on mars, or the animals, but to us Pierre. All those who believe the scriptures and can put two and two together!
j42so the beginning is when men was created right
T.In the ***BEGINNING*** was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
You should be reinstated to the class for beginners.
It is too much for you in this class.wakeup.
wyou show that you never have study the scriptures ,just over see them ,may be it is time to really study them in a very serious manner,
T.You dont even know when the beginning was.
That shows your nakedness.
What flesh have you been feeding on all those years?
That is the reason why the nakedness.wakeup.
du deja vue
T.You dont even know what flesh
you have been feeding on.
Let me tell you:
You have been feeding on strange flesh,
and have been drinking muddy waters.wakeup.
terraricca,Dec. wrote:[/quote]
Quote j42 so the beginning is when men was created right
Pierre, this is what I said to you;Quote Pierre The beginning is the begging of ALL CREATION. God would of created the angels and all the host of heaven long before he created the earth and Adam and Eve.
The angels were not created at the same time as God created the earth, but before. Lucifer was already in existence by the time they were put in the Garden of Eden. He was not that “good” cherub anymore so time has passed.
So NO, The beginning of creation is not when God created Adam and Eve, but before that even. He had to create “Heaven” and the “host of heaven” FIRST. ie. Angels.Journey,
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
After all was created it states that both the generations of heaven and earth were created.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 14 2013,18:34) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 15 2013,10:25) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 14 2013,13:08) Is there evil in a city and I did not do it?
Ist here calamity in a city and I did not do it?
Is there distress in a city and I did not do it?
Is there chaos in a city and I did not do it?
You can take your pick. Its all evil.
Well, that statement helps me to know where you're coming from. But God reigned down calamity, chaos, and distress on Sodom and Gomorrah, right? Is it your understanding that God was committing EVIL when He did that?If not, they are NOT the same thing. Agreed?
Mikeb.1.Who invented all the gods………….
Slow your roll there, Sunshine.You said this: Is there evil in a city and I did not do it?
Is there calamity in a city and I did not do it?
Is there distress in a city and I did not do it?
Is there chaos in a city and I did not do it?
You can take your pick. Its all evil.Then I gave an example about Sodom and Gomorrah that shows those things are NOT all necessarily “evil”.
Then, instead of ADDRESSING that point, you're off and running on ANOTHER tangent.
Well, I'm getting tired of it, Wakeup. You need to start ANSWERING the “YES or NO” questions I've been asking you………….. instead of going off on DIFFERENT tangents and avoiding those questions altogether.
That IS how a discussion works, right? So…………
1. Do you understand that there is a HEBREW word “ra” – which has NOTHING to do with the EGYPTIAN word “ra”? YES or NO?
2. Do you understand that the KJV translates that HEBREW word “ra” into English 663 times in their Bible? YES or NO?
3. Do you understand that “evil” is NOT the only way the word can be translated? YES or NO?
4. Do you understand that even the KJV scholars translated it as AT LEAST 15 DIFFERENT ENGLISH WORDS? YES or NO?
5. Do you understand that it was their CHOICE to translate it as “evil” in Isaiah 45:7? YES or NO?
6. Do you understand that they COULD HAVE translated it as “trouble”, “affliction”, or “adversity” in Isaiah 45:7 – because they translated the same exact Hebrew word as those three things in OTHER verses? YES or NO?
Do you see where I'm going with this, Wakeup? Do you see WHY I want you and journey to DIRECTLY answer these questions? I want you guys to ACKNOWLEDGE the FACT that the KJV translators had many CHOICES of how to translate that Hebrew word “ra” in Isaiah 45:7, and that it was simply their CHOICE to translate it as “evil” in that verse.
After that, this discussion will be on a level playing field. At that point, you guys can agree with the KJV scholar's CHOICE until the cows come home if you want to. As long as you realize it WAS simply a CHOICE that they made……….. a CHOICE that is NOT made by any more recent English Bible – not even the NEW KJV.
And after you guys ACKNOWLEDGE this FACT, then we can start talking about WHY you think “evil” was the right CHOICE for them to make.
But FIRST, acknowledge the FACT.
Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 16 2013,16:44) So NO, The beginning of creation is not when God created Adam and Eve, but before that even. He had to create “Heaven” and the “host of heaven” FIRST. ie. Angels
You have it right on this one, journey.Don't listen to Kerwin's flapdoodle.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 17 2013,09:50) Journey, In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
After all was created it states that both the generations of heaven and earth were created.
Kerwin.That was the beginning of the creation
of the earth and man,and all life.
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
(HEAVEN AND THE ANGELS WERE THERE).1.In the beginning was the Word;and the Word was with God.
This was when the Word was enforced/utilized.
2. Creating the heavens.
3.The angels,and the kingdom of God in heaven.
4.Much later,the earth,and man.
5.Mankind(gentiles) being prepared spiritually to inherit all
things.
6.The jews in paradise to come, being prepared to inherit
all things also.
7.All in the graves judged by the books;then some accepted
in the family.
***God is still creating today***, and later, of which the
angels and we do not know.
All we are told is that God will be all in all.
We will see wonderful things in future.wakeup.
W
Quote 1.In the beginning was the Word;and the Word was with God.
This was when the Word was enforced/utilized.WHERE IS THIS MYSTERY IN SCRIPTURES
?Wakeup,
Genesis 2:4
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, …
So whatever you conclude it cannot contradict the the generation of both the heavens and earth were created in the “day” the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.
The angels celebrated when the foundations of the earth were laid.
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 17 2013,13:20) W Quote 1.In the beginning was the Word;and the Word was with God.
This was when the Word was enforced/utilized.WHERE IS THIS MYSTERY IN SCRIPTURES
?
Hi Terra.The mystery is found only when the dots are
put together the right way.
You can not find that list in the bible.
That is the fruits of understanding all the scriptures.That is the picture you get by understanding what you read.
This why we have to SEEK,and find.wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 17 2013,13:45) Wakeup, Genesis 2:4
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, …
So whatever you conclude it cannot contradict the the generation of both the heavens and earth were created in the “day” the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.
The angels celebrated when the foundations of the earth were laid.
KerwinThe “heavens” is not heaven.
It's everything above the earths ground level and beyond. Space, the universe, galaxies, the planets.Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 17 2013,08:46) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 17 2013,13:20) W Quote 1.In the beginning was the Word;and the Word was with God.
This was when the Word was enforced/utilized.WHERE IS THIS MYSTERY IN SCRIPTURES
?
Hi Terra.The mystery is found only when the dots are
put together the right way.
You can not find that list in the bible.
That is the fruits of understanding all the scriptures.That is the picture you get by understanding what you read.
This why we have to SEEK,and find.wakeup.
WSo there are in reality no mysteries in the scriptures ,but only a lack of understanding to put the dots together ,
It is like talking to someone that talks in a different language than yours and you do not understand that language ,but can learn it ,
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 17 2013,13:45) Wakeup, Genesis 2:4
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, …
So whatever you conclude it cannot contradict the the generation of both the heavens and earth were created in the “day” the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.
The angels celebrated when the foundations of the earth were laid.
Kerwin.Dont confuse HEAVEN WHERE GOD AND HIS ANGELS RESIDE,
and the HEAVENS,this is where our sun,moon, and planets are.wakeup.
Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 17 2013,13:34) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 17 2013,13:45) Wakeup, Genesis 2:4
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, …
So whatever you conclude it cannot contradict the the generation of both the heavens and earth were created in the “day” the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.
The angels celebrated when the foundations of the earth were laid.
KerwinThe “heavens” is not heaven.
It's everything above the earths ground level and beyond. Space, the universe, galaxies, the planets.
Journey,It does not mention the generations of the waters so I doubt you have that correct and Genesis 1:1 states in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. That is also in line with the order given in Genesis 2:4.
I am going to look at the where the birds of the air are created. The way it is worded it seems the were created of water along with the moving creature that has life. The fowl move in the firmament of the heaven. There is nothing to say they are a generation of the sky.
Genesis 1:20-23
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. 23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
The sky is considered part of the earth when it is created on the 2nd day. Both it and the heaven of God are called the singular heaven. I do not know why the KJV translators chose to capitalize heaven when it is the name of the sky. As far as I know it is the only time they ever capitalize it.
Genesis 1:6-8
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Given that the birds are not a generation of the air, the sky is considered part of the earth, the sky was created on the second day, and the in the opening of the first account where God created his heaven and the earth and that the opening of the second account both echoes the first opening and is a summary of the first account I conclude that Genesis 2:4 is speaking of the heaven of God and it is not speaking of the heaven of earth.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 17 2013,14:49) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 17 2013,13:45) Wakeup, Genesis 2:4
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, …
So whatever you conclude it cannot contradict the the generation of both the heavens and earth were created in the “day” the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.
The angels celebrated when the foundations of the earth were laid.
Kerwin.Dont confuse HEAVEN WHERE GOD AND HIS ANGELS RESIDE,
and the HEAVENS,this is where our sun,moon, and planets are.wakeup.
Wakeup,I did not as the heaven where the sun, moon, stars, etc are is the part of earth and so is summed up in the generations of earth. I go into it in more details in the post I just made and which is addressed to journey.
Wakeup? My last post to you? No answer?
Hmmmm…………….
Are you and journey EVER going to acknowledge the FACT that it was the KJV scholars' CHOICE to translate the Hebrew word “ra” as
“evil” in Isaiah 45:7? And that they could have translated it as “affliction”, “adversity”, or “trouble”…….. instead of “evil”? Since they do translate the same Hebrew word as all three of those things in other verses?Or are you just going to pretend that post isn't there?
Either way is fine with me, because the FACTS are now out there for all to see.
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