Where is God exactly

[terraricca]

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 12 2013,16:49)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 12 2013,17:10) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 12 2013,02:17) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 12 2013,06:41) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 12 2013,00:42) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 12 2013,05:18) Quote Paul wasn't taught by Jesus, he came later. John saw Jesus as Michael after Jesus returned to heaven. 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Colter those are not scriptures only your opinions It's a direct quote from the Book of Revelation. Is that book in your bible? 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Colter It does not say that Michael the arch angel  HIS Jesus Christ  nor does it say HE HIS the son of God almighty Wrong, it doesn't say that the Michael of the “Book of Revelation is an archangel. It simply uses the name “Michael” and that he commands angels, and that he battled the devil (as Jesus did) and defeated the devil (as Jesus did) and that he is in heaven (as Jesus is). There are other people named Michael like Sether's father, or  in the bible, why didn't you choose them??? It's because you live in a bible bubble doctrine world which leaves you unable to think outside the box. That's why it is pointless to use your own scripture. Colter Read Daniel Daniel refers to an archangel named “Michael”, and some of Daniels prophecy never happened.  The BOR refers to a “Michael” who did what Jesus did while on earth. Colter

Yeah,

You have show me enough ,I know you have your BB book to replace the bible right

[mikeboll64]

What happened to Daniel? Did Ed scare him off?

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 19 2013,13:27)

What happened to Daniel?  Did Ed scare him off?

Hi Mike, you're breaking rule's #2 & #5.  (Link)

2. Posting false/inaccurate or defamatory posts in the forums.
5. Posting inaccurate statements about a person in the forums.

But since “I know” you are joking, I'll let it slide.  

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[4Thomas]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 19 2013,13:27)

What happened to Daniel?  Did Ed scare him off?

Hi Mike,
Did see a early question but aside from that I haven't had any time to log in.
Was on-call last week then went away with the family Salmon fishing.

Looking forward to spending more time on here but have tax stuff I need to sort out.

Will have a read now to see what I have missed.

Daniel

[4Thomas]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 12 2013,22:30)

Quote (4Thomas @ Mar. 12 2013,11:27) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 11 2013,03:27) Hi Daniel, Do you believe Jesus was God before being born of Mary? God bless Ed J Hi, Jesus Christ is not the Father. Hi Daniel, I didn't ask you:   'Daniel, do you believe Jesus Christ is the father'? What I asked instead was: “Do you believe Jesus was God before being born of Mary?” Will you please answer “the question” I DID ASK? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Totally, he derives his nature directly from the Almighty and Father.

Please read what I have already posted if you want more info.

New International Version (©2011)
Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;

New Living Translation (©2007)
Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to.

English Standard Version (©2001)
who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God as something to be used for His own advantage.

International Standard Version (©2012)
In God's own form existed he, and shared with God equality, deemed nothing needed grasping.

NET Bible (©2006)
who though he existed in the form of God did not regard equality with God as something to be grasped,

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
He who, while he was in the form of God, did not esteem this as a prize, that he was the equal of God,

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Although he was in the form of God and equal with God, he did not take advantage of this equality.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not a thing to be grasped to be equal with God:

American King James Version
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

American Standard Version
who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped,

Douay-Rheims Bible
Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

[Ed J]

Quote (4Thomas @ Mar. 19 2013,16:35)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 12 2013,22:30) Quote (4Thomas @ Mar. 12 2013,11:27) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 11 2013,03:27) Hi Daniel, Do you believe Jesus was God before being born of Mary? God bless Ed J Hi, Jesus Christ is not the Father. Hi Daniel, I didn't ask you:   'Daniel, do you believe Jesus Christ is the father'? What I asked instead was: “Do you believe Jesus was God before being born of Mary?” Will you please answer “the question” I DID ASK? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Totally, he derives his nature directly from the Almighty and Father. Please read what I have already posted if you want more info. New International Version (©2011) Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; New Living Translation (©2007) Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to. English Standard Version (©2001) who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, New American Standard Bible (©1995) who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009) who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God as something to be used for His own advantage. International Standard Version (©2012) In God's own form existed he, and shared with God equality, deemed nothing needed grasping. NET Bible (©2006) who though he existed in the form of God did not regard equality with God as something to be grasped, Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010) He who, while he was in the form of God, did not esteem this as a prize, that he was the equal of God, GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995) Although he was in the form of God and equal with God, he did not take advantage of this equality. King James 2000 Bible (©2003) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not a thing to be grasped to be equal with God: American King James Version Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: American Standard Version who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped, Douay-Rheims Bible Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Hi Daniel,

Is that a “Yes” then? …or a “No”?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[4Thomas]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 19 2013,17:00)

Quote (4Thomas @ Mar. 19 2013,16:35) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 12 2013,22:30) Quote (4Thomas @ Mar. 12 2013,11:27) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 11 2013,03:27) Hi Daniel, Do you believe Jesus was God before being born of Mary? God bless Ed J Hi, Jesus Christ is not the Father. Hi Daniel, I didn't ask you:   'Daniel, do you believe Jesus Christ is the father'? What I asked instead was: “Do you believe Jesus was God before being born of Mary?” Will you please answer “the question” I DID ASK? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Totally, he derives his nature directly from the Almighty and Father. Please read what I have already posted if you want more info. New International Version (©2011) Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; New Living Translation (©2007) Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to. English Standard Version (©2001) who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, New American Standard Bible (©1995) who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009) who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God as something to be used for His own advantage. International Standard Version (©2012) In God's own form existed he, and shared with God equality, deemed nothing needed grasping. NET Bible (©2006) who though he existed in the form of God did not regard equality with God as something to be grasped, Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010) He who, while he was in the form of God, did not esteem this as a prize, that he was the equal of God, GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995) Although he was in the form of God and equal with God, he did not take advantage of this equality. King James 2000 Bible (©2003) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not a thing to be grasped to be equal with God: American King James Version Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: American Standard Version who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped, Douay-Rheims Bible Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Hi Daniel, Is that a “Yes” then?     …or a “No”? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Yes

[Ed J]

Hi Daniel,

I ask merely for clarification (on my part) of your understanding of God.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[4Thomas]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 12 2013,12:22)

Quote (4Thomas @ Mar. 10 2013,03:40) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 10 2013,17:01) Yes, I believe I get the point.  It seems like you are saying that the OLDEST mss have “keep in your name THOSE you have given me”, and the more recent mss have “keep in your name THAT you have given me”.  But aren't the OLDEST mss usually considered the best? Hi Mike, …….you got it around the wrong way……….. So it's the older mss that have “keep in your name that you gave me”?  I must have misunderstood your words.  Sorry. So let's go with the above translation then, since you say it is the one based off the oldest mss. What does it mean to you, Daniel, that the Father gave Jesus His name?

It displays the Fathers desire to make himself know as Father.

He wants to be the Father to the oppressed and inflicted.
He is the Father to the abused. He is the Father to lonely orphan, He is the Father to the poor widow.

What a God, in need of nothing but wanting to share everything.

James 1:27
New International Version (©2011)
Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

[4Thomas]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 20 2013,10:16)

Hi Daniel, I ask merely for clarification (on my part) of your understanding of God.   God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed,

I believe in an Eternal *Almighty Father* which demands that their is a Eternal Son of God.

This is Eternal generation and testifies of the Fathers power.

I *don't* believe the Father is static or stationary – I believe he is *eternally* Almighty.

How can the Father be eternally Almighty without a eternal testament of his eternal Almighty power?

The Father is eternally Creator, the Son derives his Nature Solely and Directly from his Fathers nature.

The Son is not the Father or another Father but the Fathers eternal testament of who and what he is.

The Father never needs to lift a finger as his Son is his testament and does all his work that needs to be completed.

This means not one star in the universe or one blade of grass in the field was created without his Son. (By whom all things are made.)

The Son is one with the Father as the Father is the Eternal Origin and source of the Son.

There is no eternal almighty God without a testament of who he is.

Ed and Mike can I please ask you both some questions now?

Daniel

[mikeboll64]

Quote (4Thomas @ Mar. 19 2013,17:37)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 12 2013,12:22) What does it mean to you, Daniel, that the Father gave Jesus His name? It displays the Fathers desire to make himself know as Father.

I don't understand. Are you saying Jesus is the Father, and he tried to make himself better known by giving himself his own name?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 18 2013,21:53)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 19 2013,13:27) What happened to Daniel?  Did Ed scare him off? Hi Mike, you're breaking rule's #2 & #5.  (Link) 2. Posting false/inaccurate or defamatory posts in the forums. 5. Posting inaccurate statements about a person in the forums. But since “I know” you are joking, I'll let it slide.   God bless Ed J

You're right. It was a joke.

peace,
mike

[4Thomas]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 20 2013,11:01)

Quote (4Thomas @ Mar. 19 2013,17:37) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 12 2013,12:22) What does it mean to you, Daniel, that the Father gave Jesus His name? It displays the Fathers desire to make himself know as Father. I don't understand.  Are you saying Jesus is the Father, and he tried to make himself better known by giving himself his own name?

No sorry Mike I will explain in more detail.

The Son is not the Father.

So my comments were regarding the Father.

The Father does not seek to be called his name which is the name above all other names “Jehovah Saves” (YHWH saves) instead he wants to be know as Father.

Take a number count how many times God is referred to as Father in the new testament.

He clearly wants us to know we are his sons. Yet we are only sons through his Son who became the Messiah(Christ).

[Ed J]

Quote (4Thomas @ Mar. 20 2013,10:56)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 20 2013,10:16) Hi Daniel, I ask merely for clarification (on my part) of your understanding of God. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi Ed, I believe in an Eternal *Almighty Father* which demands that their is a Eternal Son of God. This is Eternal generation and testifies of the Fathers power. I *don't* believe the Father is static or stationary – I believe he is *eternally* Almighty. How can the Father be eternally Almighty without a eternal testament of his eternal Almighty power? The Father is eternally Creator, the Son derives his Nature Solely and Directly from his Fathers nature. The Son is not the Father or another Father but the Fathers eternal testament of who and what he is. The Father never needs to lift a finger as his Son is his testament and does all his work that needs to be completed. This means not one star in the universe or one blade of grass in the field was created without his Son. (By whom all things are made.) The Son is one with the Father as the Father is the Eternal Origin and source of the Son. There is no eternal almighty God without a testament of who he is. Ed and Mike can I please ask you both some questions now? Daniel

Shoot

[mikeboll64]

Quote (4Thomas @ Mar. 19 2013,18:19)

The Father does not seek to be called his name which is the name above all other names “Jehovah Saves” (YHWH saves) instead he wants to be know as Father.

The name “YHWH saves” is “Joshua” in Hebrew, “Iesous” in Greek, and “Jesus” in English.

The Father isn't named “Joshua”, Daniel.  His name is YHWH.  In English, we generally say “Yahweh”, or “Jehovah”.

Nor does anyone know the new name Jesus has been given – the name that is above all other names. (Rev 19:12)  

Also notice from Rev 3:12 that the name of Jesus' God is distinguished as different than his new name, as he says, I will write on them the name of my God, and I will also write on them my new name.  Jesus speaks of TWO names, not one.

[4Thomas]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 20 2013,12:43)

The name “YHWH saves” is “Joshua” in Hebrew, “Iesous” in Greek, and “Jesus” in English. The Father isn't named “Joshua”, Daniel.  His name is YHWH.  In English, we generally say “Yahweh”, or “Jehovah”.

The name “YHWH saves” is “Joshua” in Hebrew, “Iesous” in Greek, and “Jesus” in English.

yes agree

Matthew 1:21-23

New International Version (NIV)

21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus,[a] because he will save his people from their sins.”

22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23 “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”).

Footnotes:

Matthew 1:21 Jesus is the Greek form of Joshua, which means the Lord saves.
Matthew 1:23 Isaiah 7:14

So the Father can't be referred to as the Lord saves or “YHWH saves”

[4Thomas]

Quote (4Thomas @ Mar. 20 2013,12:56)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 20 2013,12:43) The name “YHWH saves” is “Joshua” in Hebrew, “Iesous” in Greek, and “Jesus” in English. The Father isn't named “Joshua”, Daniel.  His name is YHWH.  In English, we generally say “Yahweh”, or “Jehovah”. The name “YHWH saves” is “Joshua” in Hebrew, “Iesous” in Greek, and “Jesus” in English. yes agree Matthew 1:21-23 New International Version (NIV) 21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus,[a] because he will save his people from their sins.” 22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23 “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”). Footnotes: Matthew 1:21 Jesus is the Greek form of Joshua, which means the Lord saves. Matthew 1:23 Isaiah 7:14 So the Father can't be referred to as the Lord saves or “YHWH saves”

So the Father can't be referred to as the Lord saves or “YHWH saves”?

That was a question to you not a statement.

[Ed J]

Hi Daniel,

Do you know any Hebrew?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (4Thomas @ Mar. 19 2013,19:57)

So the Father can't be referred to as the Lord saves or “YHWH saves”? That was a question to you not a statement.

 Yeah, I was thinking it must be a question!  

NETNotes says:
Jesus = “Jehovah is salvation”
Joshua or Jehoshua = “Jehovah is salvation”

Those names are given to people other than “Jehovah” as a testimony that the one who is named “Jehovah” is salvation. But the name of the person who actually is salvation remains “Jehovah”.

Daniel, what did God Almighty tell Moses His name was when Moses asked Him?  “YHWH”?  Or “Joshua”?

[Proclaimer]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 20 2013,17:25)

Daniel, what did God Almighty tell Moses His name was when Moses asked Him? “YHWH”? Or “Joshua”?

Hmmm. YHWH.

What do say Daniel?

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