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At to the first mystery I believe these scriptures will help lead the way.
Quote Hebrews 1:3 (King James Version) 3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
Quote Galatians 3:19 (King James Version) 19Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
As to the second this scripture should answer the question.
Quote Genesis 1 (King James Version) 3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 21 2011,14:19) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2011,04:58) Quote (kerwin @ July 20 2011,21:06) Pierre, I agree he is controlling all things. My question is he where those things are controlled?
If not then how doess he do his work?
Hi Kerwin,I believe Mike thinks he is “footstooling” from heaven.
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Quote (kerwin @ July 21 2011,15:52) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2011,16:58) Quote (kerwin @ July 20 2011,21:06) Pierre, I agree he is controlling all things. My question is he where those things are controlled?
If not then how doess he do his work?
Hi Kerwin,I believe Mike thinks he is “footstooling” from heaven.
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J.,From what I understand a “throne” is the seat of goverrnment and a “footstool” is what is put under ones feet.
Neither speaks of where the government is for it is often all though the area it controls.
Hi Kerwin,I fully agree with you here! …but I never heard of a 'thone' before?
Quote (1)I am not sure that “everywhere” is technically correct as everywhere was created by God and he is not subject to his creations.
(2)It is though a adequate word to express the idea that God is whereever you can go.
1) This idea is vague, and I don't see the connection you are trying to make? …please explain?
2) Is that not an explanation of the meaning of “everywhere”?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 22 2011,11:00) Quote (kerwin @ July 21 2011,15:52) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2011,16:58) Quote (kerwin @ July 20 2011,21:06) Pierre, I agree he is controlling all things. My question is he where those things are controlled?
If not then how doess he do his work?
Hi Kerwin,I believe Mike thinks he is “footstooling” from heaven.
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J.,From what I understand a “throne” is the seat of goverrnment and a “footstool” is what is put under ones feet.
Neither speaks of where the government is for it is often all though the area it controls.
Hi Kerwin,I fully agree with you here! …but I never heard of a 'thone' before?
Quote (1)I am not sure that “everywhere” is technically correct as everywhere was created by God and he is not subject to his creations.
(2)It is though a adequate word to express the idea that God is whereever you can go.
1) This idea is vague, and I don't see the connection you are trying to make? …please explain?
2) Is that not an explanation of the meaning of “everywhere”?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Thank you for letting me know I misspelled “throne”God is the one whose made the the dimentions of space and the word everywhere is used to describe the demention of space. God therefore litterally existed before everrywhere did. Since we are unable to expres much less express the concept that would apply the conncept “everywhere” does a good enough job for our needs.
Quote (Ed J @ July 21 2011,22:47) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 21 2011,14:19) Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2011,04:58) Quote (kerwin @ July 20 2011,21:06) Pierre, I agree he is controlling all things. My question is he where those things are controlled?
If not then how doess he do his work?
Hi Kerwin,I believe Mike thinks he is “footstooling” from heaven.
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org 
Quote (kerwin @ July 22 2011,22:28) At to the first mystery I believe these scriptures will help lead the way. Quote Hebrews 1:3 (King James Version) 3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
Quote Galatians 3:19 (King James Version) 19Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
As to the second this scripture should answer the question.
Quote Genesis 1 (King James Version) 3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Kerwinlike it can be seen you do not understand the scriptures you are showing or do you ?
please could you explain those scriptures
Pierre
Hi Kerwin,
At least could you explain how those scriptures solve the mysteries we were discussing? Or how they teach that God is “everywhere all the time”?
Pierre and Mike,
I was not explicitly answering the question of where God is so much as how he does his work and how man can see his presence but not see his presence.
It is my current understanding that man cannot directly view the glory of God though we can view an image,radiance, or aftereffect of it. Moses spoke with angels that bore an image of that glory and Moses was later showed the aftereffects of that glory which were so intense he fount it necessary to cover his face from the Israelites. To be in the presence of even an image of the radiance of God's glory is to be presence of God.
All things are done by the word of God. The agents he chooses to carry out that word, if any but himself, are known to him and those he chooses to reveal that information to.
Quote (kerwin @ July 25 2011,18:51) Pierre and Mike, I was not explicitly answering the question of where God is so much as how he does his work and how man can see his presence but not see his presence.
It is my current understanding that man cannot directly view the glory of God though we can view an image,radiance, or aftereffect of it. Moses spoke with angels that bore an image of that glory and Moses was later showed the aftereffects of that glory which were so intense he fount it necessary to cover his face from the Israelites. To be in the presence of even an image of the radiance of God's glory is to be presence of God.
All things are done by the word of God. The agents he chooses to carry out that word, if any bu himself, are known to him and those he chooses to reveal that information to.
Kerwinthis is circular and does not go anywere
Quote (kerwin @ July 24 2011,18:51) All things are done by the word of God. The agents he chooses to carry out that word, if any but himself, are known to him and those he chooses to reveal that information to.
Hi Kerwin,I see it as the very fact God DOES use agents tells us He Himself is not everywhere all the time.
But the bottom line is that I beleive my Lord, who says our Father is IN HEAVEN.
(I almost started the “Is Jesus STILL a man” thread today, but then things got busy for me.
)The still small voice of God is within everybody. Sometimes you can hear it and heed it, sometimes you don't hear. Spirit is everywhere. Spirit is entangled or intertwined, connected, joined, touching everything at quantum levels. I believe God uses “agents” that are more sensitive to spirit truth and know what spirit they are of to hear and pass information to others. That does not mean God is not everywhere. When a person hears, peace, love, joy, meekness, kindness, happiness, healing spirits/words they are from God.
That is the fruit Gods spirit produces. If they hear or speak out lies, untruth, frustration, hate, unhappiness, haughtiness, sickness, disease, degradation, destruction of life et.al. they are hearing or speaking from dark spirits, lies apart from the truth of God. This is how one knows which spirit he is hearing and what to accept. My opinion, with love intent, TK
SF: [….as if man can resist him…] Man has resisted God's will in the earth since creation! That why we have the mess we are in. Do you think God is in control? Then you must think he is a failure. God is not a taskmaster or an old man with a staff to whack people with if they do something wrong. God doesn't sit on a chair or kings throne in heaven. God doesn't “control” mankind! Man has freewill choice in all matters. Jesus said God is “love”! What do you think “love” is? Why would you infer that God forces anything? Love is a small voice. Love allows, it never controls another persons freedom. This is God! God never demands his own way. God does not “command” others to do or not do anything. The new testament miss-translation of “command” should be I suggest…. or I recommend… for your own good.
Love does not take into account a wrong unto itself. Love is patient. Love is kind. Love is not puffed up(haughty)! Man has resisted God from the start of life. Every good word that God gave through Jesus that we are clean, perfected, righteous, sinless et.al. most religious persons resist/reject!
Are you actually saying that you accept every word that God gave through Jesus? That is my desire for life! Then we are in agreement together and with God. But you must stand with me, knowing that Gods “words through Jesus”, have taken away all sin from us, have perfected us, have made us worthy, have cleaned us to pure white, have made us righteous, have made us whole, in Christ, one, with
no division and thereby has given us the power/anointing of God for the good faith works of healing and giving life to all others who will accept. If you agree with this, we are of united minds of Christ! This is the light that came through Jesus from God for mankind. This is a summation of all my studies. This is the life and joy of living that God has given to mankind, IF WE WILL ACCEPT AND BELIEVE! IMO, TK
Tk,
Romans 9
19Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?21Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
You overestimate man and underestimate God. This chapter shows how God is in full control. The scriptures agree with me yet all you got is your mouth full of opinions. you serve a God (whom you say in your own words) that has no control nor power. You belittle God.
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 12 2011,07:53) Tk,
Romans 9
19Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?21Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
You overestimate man and underestimate God. This chapter shows how God is in full control. The scriptures agree with me yet all you got is your mouth full of opinions. you serve a God (whom you say in your own words) that has no control nor power. You belittle God.
SF: You took that scripture out of context completely to attempt to reprimand me. You will learn very little that way.Paul was pleading with his kinsmen according to the flesh/law, that were calling for the mercy of God to be continued for his “chosen” persons. His dissertation is to his own former kinsmen according to the flesh/old covenant. Ch.9(V3&4)Those of the old testament, who were considered “Israelites” or to whom pertaineth the adoption, the law and the promises of God, was the reason Christ came. To give to all who would accept and believe the same perfection as children of God.
V8…They which are the children of the flesh(old covenant) are not the children of God: but the children of the promise(faith) are counted for the seed….You misunderstand and distort the truth. You have freedom and total control in this world by God. You make choices constantly based on what you want to do in this world. That's freedom! You have the freedom to choose to rise up and kill or go forth and heal with love. That is a fact whether you acknowledge it or not!
The mercy of God is upon ONLY those who believe Gods words of salvation through Jesus. If you don't believe your purification in Christ, then you are impure. That is under Gods control. You can lay your life(control) down and take up Gods way of love and be one with God (OR) you can attempt(old covenant) to work your way, try, effort, deeds, works, this good or that bad but those efforts will have no effect whatsoever on your union with God.
To be in union with God can only be by faith! God will not change that. Cleanliness and perfection unto God are only by faith that he did it for us.If you choose to lay down your life (the life here on earth) that you have control of and take on the Truth from God, by faith in Christ, then is the union/consummation with God and the resurrection from the dead(works) unto life(faith) in Christ!!
I don't belittle God nor your way of interpretation. We can learn together or not but shooting fiery darts at each other, I will pass on. God Bless you, IMO, TK
Tk
Quote SF: You took that scripture out of context completely to attempt to reprimand me. You will learn very little that way.
Actually your mistaken and I did not take anything out of context. Actually i included the pretext and context. However I did not quote the whole chapter but even so it still proves my point which i will further explain in a moment. I have no need to “reprimand” you because the debate was over as soon as you said that “God has no control” and thats exactly where you err and why I say you belittle God. However you want to look at it your claiming that God does not have contorol therefore he is not “God all in all” or the “Almighty” . You belittle Him from absulote power, so if you want to continue to prove that God is without control over humanity than you must concede that your belittling the power of God and will to a limit.Quote To give to all who would accept and believe the same perfection as children of God.
V8…They which are the children of the flesh(old covenant) are not the children of God: but the children of the promise(faith) are counted for the seed….
Oh lala I wonder why you stopped at verse 8 yet you accuse me of taking the” scripture out of context”?
It is you who “misunderstand” and distort what is written, you “distort the truth”. Im glad you quoted verse 8 so i can show you how you err in your ignorance. Look again it says “the seed are COUNTED” what does that mean for you? That its whom God has chosen and elected. And to prove that let me show you the context you ignored hypocritically.
Romans 9
9For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.
10And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth😉
12It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
The direct context of verse 8 is verse 9 where Paul emphasizes how God chose and called even before birth. He gave several examples. 1. Sarah has a son 2. Jacob and Esau 3. Declaration for moses 4. Pharaohs purpose.
This is real substance not opinions. Now think God has full control over Jacobs, Esaus, and even pharaohs destiny and God even claims its He who has chosen this set path. They die when He sets them to die so therefore whether in life or death one has No freewill.
The verse you quoted yourself even shows how God calls and chooses his elected not that they have any freewill of thier own.
The rest of your post is nonsense and full of your opinions without any substance at all.If God wanted to kill you at this very moment (In which God has caused plagues and destruction upon many) He very well could and would if he simply felt like it, which would hinder any will of your own, if your own death is only permissable by His will how much more is it only permissable by God to be born, live, and choose. We are limited by His will, just like Job whom was plagued by the devil with permission from God. What freewill did he have over that?
In the end the young man Elihu (whom was filled with Gods spirit) told Job that he err thinking he was righteous enough to resist the will of God.
In conclusion i gave you stories and accounts and proof as substance for my pounts.
You however have given me nothing.SF: I feel like I need to take a shower. If you wish to build your kingdom of God, or your personal spiritual belief system, on the old testament that is your prerogative! I have found that the New Testament is built on better promises. Jesus came to show us the true way to God. Jesus revealed the truth about God. The fruit of the old test. God you choose are fear, killing, destruction, control, and total limitation based on your Gods whims of the moment.
You even sound like your afraid that your own God might do something to you. I don't feel that. I have found peace and joy in Christ Jesus. If you can't trust God in what he says then faith is out the door. I trust the God of Jesus, that's where the peace comes from. There were many “so called gods” in the old testament. You have the choice to create for yourself your own personal god from the old testament scriptures and it sounds like you have done so. I have chosen the New Testament through Jesus.
I serve a God of life and peace and love as shown by Jesus, the truth. You go back thousands of years to support what is an errant picture of the New Test. God of Jesus. Yours must be a controlling god, of vengeance and destruction. You proudly boast your god creation that I guess breaks his own law that says thou shalt not kill. Then makes deals with chosen people, like the current day Mafia, to kill, pillage, and destroy complete cities and then receive protection. In your post you even act like your a bit fearful of him now.
If you even read Job correctly he received much untrue counsel from his so call “friends” about God. Most of them were not speaking the truth. In the end, when Job woke up in his mind, he began to recreate all the positive aspects God and life and all returned to him.
I can't even grasp how anyone could read the New Testament truths from Jesus about God and know for a fact what fruit or evidences of his spirit would be and come up with the unpredictable murderer described above and call him god! Try looking for good news in the New Testament. Believe me its there. We who are of faith in the words of Jesus are blessed with the ultimate love and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. Perfect love casteth out fear. IMO, TK
Tk,
Quote If you wish to build your kingdom of God, or your personal spiritual belief system, on the old testament that is your prerogative!
In other words Tk your saying “I have nothing to say to refute your points so I'm going to speak nonsense like i know something so i can look like i know when i realy dont”
Negative Tk, God builds His kingdom not I and my belief is not “personal belief system” actually thats how your theology works purely on your opinion (all your post end as “IMO”). Your full of it and a hypocrite for accusing me of things YOU do. Also i been quoting Paul in Romans the whole time whom he is using examples from the OT. Your incompentence is shocking when you accuse me of basing all my points on the OT while im quoting the NT. Your making yourself look like a ignorant fool when you say such unsubstantiated accusations.Quote I have found that the New Testament is built on better promises
…..the NT completes the same promsies of the OT lol…. In fact in the OT is where God says he will call a people His instead of the israelits. The promise of the messiah is found there also and Christ also said he came not to destroy the law but to fullfill it. Again more of your ignorance…. Lol Jesus, Peter, and Paul often quote the OT.Quote God you choose are fear, killing, destruction, control, and total limitation based on your Gods whims of the moment. You even sound like your afraid that your own God might do something to you. I don't feel that
Ok let me continue to school you about what your clearly ignorant about.Job 28:28
And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the LORD, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding.
Psalm 2:11
Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
Psalm 25:12
What man is he that feareth the LORD? him shall he teach in the way that he shall choose.
Psalm 25:14
The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.
Psalm 34:11
Come, ye children, hearken unto me: I will teach you the fear of the LORD.
Psalm 111:10
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.
Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.[/b]
Proverbs 1:29
For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:
Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.If you want read just proverbs and it will tell you to FEAR GOD. Even Jesus says to fear God.
God created evil remember? And God does cause desruction upon his enemies and upon many. Even ananias and his wife died in front of the Apostles by the spirit in the NT.
Jesus said He came to bring a SWORD not peace.
Yes while i fear God (which is the begining of wisdom and life) you obviously dont read the scriptures. Your very irresponsible.Quote If you even read Job correctly he received much untrue counsel from his so call “friends” about God. Most of them were not speaking the truth. In the end, when Job woke up in his mind, he began to recreate all the positive aspects God and life and all returned to him.
Jeez your confused.
They were trying to counsel him for sin. And the rest of your point is nonsense and thats not what scriptures says at all! Lol where does it say Job woke up his mind? Lol
Your lying through your teeth about readin Job lol
What actually happened is that Elihu his young servant corrected him and said he WASNT RIGHTOUS and God Confronted Job and Job was left SPEECHLESS and realized he knew nothing.
I dare you to quote scripture to prove otherwise.
You obviously didnt read Job.Quote I can't even grasp how anyone could read the New Testament truths from Jesus about God and know for a fact what fruit or evidences of his spirit would be and come up with the unpredictable murderer described above and call him god!
I cant grasp the fact that you know nothing about scriptures yet you continue to reply as if you know something when its obvious you dont know jack squat.ohh lol why do you rarely quote scripture? (Its because you obviously dont read it or you do but dont understand it)
SF: What you refuse to see in all your anger, is that when you read “fear” of the lord, you can choose to believe that it means “respect” or be afraid of the lord. You have chosen to believe it means “be afraid” of God. And I too would be afraid of God if I believed him to be a murderer. I do not. I know what spirit I am of! There is a spirit of deception, destruction, fear and murder! An evil spirit/doctrine that deceives and lies about God, the truth, unto death. The truth that Jesus brought about God is absolute. The most high God of Jesus is love. Love is patient, and kind, does not take into consideration a wrong, does not puff up, etc.! No one is afraid of love! Perfect love casts out fear. If you fear or are afraid of God you cannot love him.
One with understanding would know that the “sword” of the lord is the “word” of God which came to cut away all the “evil” doctrines” of men and so expose the truth, of love, of which you apparently don't see.
Quote
If you want read just proverbs and it will tell you to FEAR GOD. Even Jesus says to fear God.How many times would you guess in the New Testament that Jesus said the words, “FEAR NOT”? Fear, as in being afraid is the opposite of faith! You cannot come to God without “Faith” and if you “FEAR” you have no faith! The old way has deceived you again. Love has no fear! Fear is not in God!
You say the old testament is where God called his chosen people. Jesus is of the New Testament. You obviously missed the fact that in the New Testament, God is no respecter of persons. There are no “chosen one” other that “whosoever will accept and believe the truth”! There is neither Jew, no Gentile nor bond nor free, no male nor female, all are ONE in Christ Jesus. But, you say the old way is like the new way. I don't see it at all.
There was no perfection in the “law”. The law could not make a man perfect. In the New Testament, God recreated all things new. God made man perfect with his words of truth that cannot lie. If you don't believe you are perfect then you deny what God has done. Those of the old testament were in sin and darkness when Jesus came. Apparently that way wasn't leading to God. Had the old truly been leading man to God there would have been no need for a “New” way of Truth.
I would not think there would be a need for substantiating the fact that as a person reads the Bible, prays and meditates the scriptures(asking God for understanding) he is creating his own individual belief system, as to his chosen beliefs of the scriptures unto God. Each individual stand or falls on his own choices of truth. Like it or not! You can memorize the entire Bible and have no insight or understanding of the truth. Regurgitation of scriptures has no life whatsoever. You might want to seek some understanding of what scriptures you war with. IMO, TK
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