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Quote (kerwin @ July 17 2011,17:10) Why could Job see God where God was at work in the North?
I read, ” When he is at work in the north, I do not see him”.Kerwin, am I missing something?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 18 2011,06:52) Quote (kerwin @ July 17 2011,17:10) Why could Job see God where God was at work in the North?
I read, ” When he is at work in the north, I do not see him”.Kerwin, am I missing something?
I missed something as I dropped the “not” meant to be in my question. I have now corrected my error. Thank you for letting me know.In that case, I don't understand the question. Why should Job have been able to see God anywhere? No man has ever seen God, right?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 18 2011,10:11) In that case, I don't understand the question. Why should Job have been able to see God anywhere? No man has ever seen God, right?
Mike Boll,That in itself is an answer to my question.
So what does that mean in relation to.
Quote Genesis 3:8 (King James Version) 8And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
and
Quote Exodus 3:6 (King James Version) 6Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.
and
Quote Exodus 33:18-23 (King James Version) 18And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
19And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
20And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
21And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
22And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
23And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.
To all,
If God is at work making “rain,storms,volcanoes action,and river flow ect” then is he where these events are going on?
Kerwin
Ge 6:17 I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens
Ge 19:24 Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the LORD out of the heavens.
Lev 26:22 I will send wild animals against you, and they will rob you of your children, destroy your cattle and make you so few in number that your roads will be deserted.
Nu 14:12 I will strike them down with a plague and destroy them, but I will make you into a
Nu 14:12 I will strike them down with a plague and destroy them, but I will make you into a
Nu 14:12 I will strike them down with a plague and destroy them, but I will make you into a
Ge 7:4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made. ”
Ge 7:12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.
Ge 8:2 Now the springs of the deep and the floodgates of the heavens had been closed, and the rain had stopped falling from the sky.
Ex 9:33 Then Moses left Pharaoh and went out of the city. He spread out his hands toward the LORD? the thunder and hail stopped, and the rain no longer poured down on the land.
Ex 9:34 When Pharaoh saw that the rain and hail and thunder had stopped, he sinned again: He and his officials hardened their heartsLev 26:4 I will send you rain in its season, and the ground will yield its crops and the trees of the field their fruit.
Dt 28:12 The LORD will open the heavens, the storehouse of his bounty, to send rain on your land in season and to bless all the work of your hands. You will lend to many nations but will borrow from none.
1Ki 8:35 “When the heavens are shut up and there is no rain because your people have sinned against you, and when they pray toward this place and confess your name and turn from their sin because you have afflicted them,
1Ki 17:1 Now Elijah the Tishbite, from Tishbe in Gilead, said to Ahab, “As the LORD, the God of Israel, lives, whom I serve, there will be neither dew nor rain in the next few years except at my word.”
2Ki 3:17 For this is what the LORD says: You will see neither wind nor rain, yet this valley will be filled with water, and you, your cattle and your other animals will drink.
Job 5:10 He bestows rain on the earth;
he sends water upon the countryside.
Job 20:23 When he has filled his belly,
God will vent his burning anger against him
and rain down his blows upon him.
Job 28:26 when he made a decree for the rain
and a path for the thunderstorm,Ps 105:32 He turned their rain into hail,
with lightning throughout their land;
Ps 135:7 He makes clouds rise from the ends of the earth;
he sends lightning with the rain
and brings out the wind from his storehouses.
Ps 147:8 He covers the sky with clouds;
he supplies the earth with rain
and makes grass grow on the hillsIsa 5:6 I will make it a wasteland,
neither pruned nor cultivated,
and briers and thorns will grow there.
I will command the clouds
not to rain on it.”Isa 55:8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the LORD.
Isa 55:9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Isa 55:10 As the rain and the snow
come down from heaven,
and do not return to it
without watering the earth
and making it bud and flourish,
so that it yields seed for the sower and bread for the eater,
Isa 55:11 so is my word that goes out from my mouth:
It will not return to me empty,
but will accomplish what I desire
and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.Am 4:7 “I also withheld rain from you
when the harvest was still three months away.
I sent rain on one town,
but withheld it from another.
One field had rain;
another had none and dried up.Mt 5:45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
Ac 14:17 Yet he has not left himself without testimony: He has shown kindness by giving you rain from heaven and crops in their seasons; he provides you with plenty of food and fills your hearts with joy.”
Jn 5:17 Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working.”
those are some of the scriptures to show that God is controling all things
Pierre
Pierre,
I agree he is controlling all things. My question is he where those things are controlled?
If not then how doess he do his work?
Quote (kerwin @ July 20 2011,21:06) Pierre, I agree he is controlling all things. My question is he where those things are controlled?
If not then how doess he do his work?
Hi Kerwin,I believe Mike thinks he is “footstooling” from heaven.
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (kerwin @ July 19 2011,22:35) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 18 2011,10:11) In that case, I don't understand the question. Why should Job have been able to see God anywhere? No man has ever seen God, right?
Mike Boll,That in itself is an answer to my question.
So what does that mean in relation to.
Quote Genesis 3:8 (King James Version) 8And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
and
Quote Exodus 3:6 (King James Version) 6Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.
and
Quote Exodus 33:18-23 (King James Version) 18And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
19And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
20And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
21And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
22And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
23And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.
Kerwin,I'm not following you here. You seem to be posting scriptures that further say no man has seen the face of God. With this I agree, so what point are you trying to make? And how does it fit into this discussion?
mike
Quote (kerwin @ July 19 2011,22:37) To all, If God is at work making “rain,storms,volcanoes action,and river flow ect” then is he where these events are going on?
No. God dwells in heaven.Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2011,04:58) Quote (kerwin @ July 20 2011,21:06) Pierre, I agree he is controlling all things. My question is he where those things are controlled?
If not then how doess he do his work?
Hi Kerwin,I believe Mike thinks he is “footstooling” from heaven.
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Quote (kerwin @ July 20 2011,04:06) Pierre, I agree he is controlling all things. My question is he where those things are controlled?
If not then how doess he do his work?
No, the BEING of God is not where the things we can see with our eyes are taking place. I don't know how He controls those things from afar. But a human being in New Mexico can control a missile launch in Puerto Rico. Surely if a man can do things like this, then our God can too, right?Quote (kerwin @ July 21 2011,04:06) Pierre, I agree he is controlling all things. My question is he where those things are controlled?
If not then how doess he do his work?
kerwinin heaven ,do you think that God made 100,000,000,angels to sit around ?
Pierre
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 21 2011,09:17) Quote (kerwin @ July 19 2011,22:35) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 18 2011,10:11) In that case, I don't understand the question. Why should Job have been able to see God anywhere? No man has ever seen God, right?
Mike Boll,That in itself is an answer to my question.
So what does that mean in relation to.
Quote Genesis 3:8 (King James Version) 8And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
and
Quote Exodus 3:6 (King James Version) 6Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.
and
Quote Exodus 33:18-23 (King James Version) 18And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
19And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
20And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
21And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
22And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
23And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.
Kerwin,I'm not following you here. You seem to be posting scriptures that further say no man has seen the face of God. With this I agree, so what point are you trying to make? And how does it fit into this discussion?
mike
Mike,I am pointing to a mystery in these scriptures. That mystery being how can someone be pressence to pressence with God and yet not see his pressence whether that someone is Adam, Eve, or Mosses.
I also notinced that it seems Moses referred to seing God's presence as seeing his glory in Exodus 33:18 and God refers to it as his goodness in verse 19. Here did tell Moses he could see his hereafter(of time)/behind.
Quote (Ed J @ July 20 2011,16:58) Quote (kerwin @ July 20 2011,21:06) Pierre, I agree he is controlling all things. My question is he where those things are controlled?
If not then how doess he do his work?
Hi Kerwin,I believe Mike thinks he is “footstooling” from heaven.
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J.,From what I understand a “throne” is the seat of goverrnment and a “footstool” is what is put under ones feet.
Neither speaks of where the government is for it is often all though the area it controls.
I am not sure that “everywhere” is technically correct as everywhere was created by God and he is not subject to his creations. It is though a adequate word to express the idea that God is whereever you can go.
Note” Edited to correct spelling of “throne” thanks to Ed letting me know my error.
Quote (terraricca @ July 21 2011,09:25) Quote (kerwin @ July 21 2011,04:06) Pierre, I agree he is controlling all things. My question is he where those things are controlled?
If not then how doess he do his work?
kerwinin heaven ,do you think that God made 100,000,000,angels to sit around ?
Pierre
Pierre,He uses any and every one of his creations to do as he chooses but does that mean cannot do the same without his creations?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 21 2011,09:22) Quote (kerwin @ July 20 2011,04:06) Pierre, I agree he is controlling all things. My question is he where those things are controlled?
If not then how doess he do his work?
No, the BEING of God is not where the things we can see with our eyes are taking place. I don't know how He controls those things from afar. But a human being in New Mexico can control a missile launch in Puerto Rico. Surely if a man can do things like this, then our God can too, right?
Mike Boll,Good point!
As for the how, How did he create the heavens and the earth?
Quote (kerwin @ July 21 2011,22:54) Quote (terraricca @ July 21 2011,09:25) Quote (kerwin @ July 21 2011,04:06) Pierre, I agree he is controlling all things. My question is he where those things are controlled?
If not then how doess he do his work?
kerwinin heaven ,do you think that God made 100,000,000,angels to sit around ?
Pierre
Pierre,He uses any and every one of his creations to do as he chooses but does that mean cannot do the same without his creations?
Kerwinif God creates is it created for not to be used ?
when God made man ,and then say man can not see him and live ,what is this tells you ?
to me it is telling me that God created man trough some other means than himself,
yes he does what he wants ,tell me who will stop him ?
Pierre
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 21 2011,09:18) Quote (kerwin @ July 19 2011,22:37) To all, If God is at work making “rain,storms,volcanoes action,and river flow ect” then is he where these events are going on?
No. God dwells in heaven.
God does sit in the heavens and earth is his footstool.After all the Hebrew word “yashab” means “to dwell, remain, sit, abide “.
Quote (kerwin @ July 20 2011,22:42) Mike, I am pointing to a mystery in these scriptures. That mystery being how can someone be pressence to pressence with God and yet not see his pressence whether that someone is Adam, Eve, or Mosses.
Let me know when you solve this mystery.
Quote Mike Boll, Good point!
As for the how, How did he create the heavens and the earth?
This one too!
peace,
mike
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