When Jesus became the Anointed of God

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2012,17:51)

Certainly the servant Spirit of Christ was sent to speak what God taught him and told him to say.

So the spirit of christ, which was God in the beginning, is now a “HIM”?

When did God become a separate “HIM” from Himself?

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 03 2012,17:46)

Quote (terraricca @ April 01 2012,21:14) Quote (Ed J @ April 02 2012,20:35) Hi Pierre, Do you believe as Mike does?    …that Jesus is(?) 'a god'? God bless Ed J edj Yes i do ,even Moses was a god   That is scripturally correct, Pierre.  And that is what people like you and I strive to be – scripturally correct……………..despite how the words are understood in today's society. I am taught by the written word of God – not by the popular word usage of the 21st century.

Mike

yes ,this is similar to what all true Christians go through ,all because some try to understand scriptures in their own way ,without a pure heart,

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 03 2012,17:44)

Quote (terraricca @ April 01 2012,21:18) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2012,20:36) Hi T, Do you believe jn7 16-18? N Jn 7:16 Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me. All that is needed is the first six words that I bolded.  If, as Nick says, the spirit of Christ was God, then the spirit of christ would not be saying, My teaching is not my own. If the teaching IS God's, and the spirit of christ IS God, then how can the teaching not be his own?   Nick has many flaws such as this in his doctrine.  Even the other non-preexisters don't buy into his scam.

Mike

yeah ,you telling me ,he does not believe most of what is written about God or Christ

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2012,13:15)

Hi T, Just as natural men wanted to worship Paul and Barnabus because God worked through him so the same with the Lord. Jn 5.19 “..the Son can do NOTHING of himself” as with his brothers Jn 15.5 “..for apart from me you can do NOTHING” The flesh profits NOTHING [Jn6.63] All is of God by His Spirit

[mikeboll64]

Quote (terraricca @ April 02 2012,18:06)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 03 2012,17:44) Quote (terraricca @ April 01 2012,21:18) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2012,20:36) Hi T, Do you believe jn7 16-18? N Jn 7:16 Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me. All that is needed is the first six words that I bolded.  If, as Nick says, the spirit of Christ was God, then the spirit of christ would not be saying, My teaching is not my own. If the teaching IS God's, and the spirit of christ IS God, then how can the teaching not be his own?   Nick has many flaws such as this in his doctrine.  Even the other non-preexisters don't buy into his scam. Mike yeah ,you telling me ,he does not believe most of what is written about God or Christ

Well Pierre,

In his defense, he did say this “concept came to him”. I guess that if it “came to him”, then what the scriptures actually teach is no longer important.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ April 03 2012,17:12)

Quote (terraricca @ April 03 2012,03:35) Quote (kerwin @ April 03 2012,15:10) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2012,09:24) Hi T, So you understand that what Jesus said was from God? Nick, Just as John's baptism came from God so did the Anointed. As you state God's Word does come from God. K did John the Baptist ever said that he came down from the father ??????????? Pierre, What is meant when Jesus asked if John's Baptism came from heaven?

K

Lk 20:1 One day as he was teaching the people in the temple courts and preaching the gospel, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, together with the elders, came up to him.
Lk 20:2 “Tell us by what authority you are doing these things,” they said. “Who gave you this authority?”
Lk 20:3 He replied, “I will also ask you a question. Tell me,
Lk 20:4 John’s baptism—was it from heaven, or from men?”
Lk 20:5 They discussed it among themselves and said, “If we say, ‘From heaven,’ he will ask, ‘Why didn’t you believe him?’
Lk 20:6 But if we say, ‘From men,’ all the people will stone us, because they are persuaded that John was a prophet.”
Lk 20:7 So they answered, “We don’t know where it was from.”
Lk 20:8 Jesus said, “Neither will I tell you by what authority I am doing these things.”

do you see yourself as one of the priest asking question but Jesus answered them with another question as a fair exchange that same question you ask from me ;learn from the priest own reasoning

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 03 2012,05:31)

Quote (kerwin @ April 01 2012,20:52) Mike, I argue that Jesus is not an angel; one of those which you choose to call gods. Then you argue with scripture, not me………….on both counts. Angels are spirit messengers of God, of which Jesus is definitely one.  (Rev 1:1) And angels are called gods in Biblical times because in those days, they did not understand the word as most of us do today.  They did not consider the word “god” to refer ONLY to the Omniscient Creator of All Things.  Instead, it referred to many different spirit beings, and even human beings. So when I “choose” to call them gods, it is because I choose to understand the scriptures from the perspective of those who wrote them down, and to call a spade what THEY have called a spade – regardless of how politically incorrect it might be in the 21st century.

Mike,

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Angels are spirit messengers of God, of which Jesus is definitely one.

Hebrews 2:5
New American Standard Bible (NASB)

5 For He did not subject to angels [a]the world to come, concerning which we are speaking.
Footnotes:

   Hebrews 2:5 Lit the inhabited earth

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ April 03 2012,06:14)

Quote (kerwin @ April 03 2012,17:12) Quote (terraricca @ April 03 2012,03:35) Quote (kerwin @ April 03 2012,15:10) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2012,09:24) Hi T, So you understand that what Jesus said was from God? Nick, Just as John's baptism came from God so did the Anointed. As you state God's Word does come from God. K did John the Baptist ever said that he came down from the father ??????????? Pierre, What is meant when Jesus asked if John's Baptism came from heaven? K Lk 20:1 One day as he was teaching the people in the temple courts and preaching the gospel, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, together with the elders, came up to him. Lk 20:2 “Tell us by what authority you are doing these things,” they said. “Who gave you this authority?” Lk 20:3 He replied, “I will also ask you a question. Tell me, Lk 20:4 John’s baptism—was it from heaven, or from men?” Lk 20:5 They discussed it among themselves and said, “If we say, ‘From heaven,’ he will ask, ‘Why didn’t you believe him?’ Lk 20:6 But if we say, ‘From men,’ all the people will stone us, because they are persuaded that John was a prophet.” Lk 20:7 So they answered, “We don’t know where it was from.” Lk 20:8 Jesus said, “Neither will I tell you by what authority I am doing these things.” do you see yourself as one of the priest asking question but Jesus answered them with another question as a fair exchange  that same question you ask from me ;learn from the priest own reasoning

Pierre,

I am not afraid as you and those Jesus addressed are;   John's baptism was given to him from above just as Jesus being the Anointed was given him from God.

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 03 2012,05:37)

Quote (kerwin @ April 01 2012,21:05) All those words state is that the Anointed had glory with God. They do not say the Messiah was there. Isn't the Messiah the “Anointed”?   Quote (kerwin @ April 01 2012,21:05) You are reading into them that the Messiah was there as it is not written. If the Anointed was there, then the Messiah was there, for they are one and the same. Quote (kerwin @ April 01 2012,21:05) Jesus asked to be given the glory which infers he did not have it yet.   Jesus asks to be given the glory he once had with God before the world began.  That's what the words “I HAD” mean, Kerwin.  It means Jesus himself HAD this glory alongside God before the world began. Kerwin, in your zeal to write your own scriptures, you give the impression that you can't understand simple language skills.  When else would someway say, Give me what I HAD, and you would think they were talking about something they haven't yet had?

Mike,

What do I mean when I petition God for the inheritance I had with him before the world began.

Here is your hint:

Romans 8:29
New American Standard Bible (NASB)

29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren;

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ April 03 2012,18:30)

Quote (terraricca @ April 03 2012,06:14) Quote (kerwin @ April 03 2012,17:12) Quote (terraricca @ April 03 2012,03:35) Quote (kerwin @ April 03 2012,15:10) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2012,09:24) Hi T, So you understand that what Jesus said was from God? Nick, Just as John's baptism came from God so did the Anointed. As you state God's Word does come from God. K did John the Baptist ever said that he came down from the father ??????????? Pierre, What is meant when Jesus asked if John's Baptism came from heaven? K Lk 20:1 One day as he was teaching the people in the temple courts and preaching the gospel, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, together with the elders, came up to him. Lk 20:2 “Tell us by what authority you are doing these things,” they said. “Who gave you this authority?” Lk 20:3 He replied, “I will also ask you a question. Tell me, Lk 20:4 John’s baptism—was it from heaven, or from men?” Lk 20:5 They discussed it among themselves and said, “If we say, ‘From heaven,’ he will ask, ‘Why didn’t you believe him?’ Lk 20:6 But if we say, ‘From men,’ all the people will stone us, because they are persuaded that John was a prophet.” Lk 20:7 So they answered, “We don’t know where it was from.” Lk 20:8 Jesus said, “Neither will I tell you by what authority I am doing these things.” do you see yourself as one of the priest asking question but Jesus answered them with another question as a fair exchange  that same question you ask from me ;learn from the priest own reasoning Pierre, I am not afraid as you and those Jesus addressed are;   John's baptism was given to him from above just as Jesus being the Anointed was given him from God.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ April 02 2012,18:35)

What do I mean when I petition God for the inheritance I had with him before the world began.

Kerwin,

The fact that you would swap the word “glory” for “inheritance” shows that you not only DO understand your flaw, but are willing to go to nonsensical lengths to cover it up.

And the fact that you are willing to claim that you have personally HAD anything in the presence of God before the world began is just the icing on the nonsense cake.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Can you prescribe for the WORD who was God how things are to be done?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Certainly the Word made flesh as Jesus Christ is a HIM.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Certainly what is spiritual in the teaching of the Master remains a foreign language to you.

You take sides against those who do not see just as you do?

[NickHassan]

Quote (terraricca @ April 03 2012,11:07)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2012,13:15) Hi T, Just as natural men wanted to worship Paul and Barnabus because God worked through him so the same with the Lord. Jn 5.19 “..the Son can do NOTHING of himself” as with his brothers Jn 15.5 “..for apart from me you can do NOTHING” The flesh profits NOTHING [Jn6.63] All is of God by His Spirit

Hi T,
Why does scripture amuse you?
Is it wise to mock scripture?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Indeed scripture does teach those with ears to hear and eyes to see.
To the traditionalists though it is just a book to read.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2012,19:13)

Hi MB, Certainly what is spiritual in the teaching of the Master remains a foreign language to you. You take sides against those who do not see just as you do?

N

RO 10:2 For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.

2CO 10:5 We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ,
2CO 11:6 But even if I am unskilled in speech, yet I am not so in knowledge; in fact, in every way we have made this evident to you in all things.

EPH 3:19 and to know the love of Christ which surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled up to all the fullness of God.
EPH 4:13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Why would you take up arms against scripture?

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2012,19:20)

Quote (terraricca @ April 03 2012,11:07) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2012,13:15) Hi T, Just as natural men wanted to worship Paul and Barnabus because God worked through him so the same with the Lord. Jn 5.19 “..the Son can do NOTHING of himself” as with his brothers Jn 15.5 “..for apart from me you can do NOTHING” The flesh profits NOTHING [Jn6.63] All is of God by His Spirit     Hi T, Why does scripture amuse you? Is it wise to mock scripture?

N

it is the paradox in you that make me luff,you quote scriptures to make them say what you want ,this is why you quoting only partial scriptures ,you compose your own ,

and what is more you do not believe what is written in them

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2012,19:26)

Hi T, Why would you take up arms against scripture?

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