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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2014,14:28) Hi MB,
What do you disagree about in Ps 2?
I believe the decree of Jehovah, as told by Jesus in verses 7-9, was spoken by Jesus before that psalm was written (or, perhaps spoken by Jesus at the very time the writer was inspired by Spirit to write the decree down…… as Jesus was speaking it.)Hi MB,
Ps 2
7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
So it was not even prophetic when written but historical[ PERHAPS]?
You have a different view of prophecyI guess you have a dogma to defend
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2014,14:32) Hi MB,
You say
“Whoever came down from heaven, not to do his own will, but to do the will of God, was a person, Nick”Only by the logic of natural men.
But it is not written-not that such matters bother them
Nick,Do NON-SENTIENT things have their own will?
What IS written is that the man JESUS said those words in John 6. JESUS is the one who said he came down from heaven, and would ascend back to where he was before.
And JESUS is the one who actually DID ascend back to where he was before.
What is NOT written is that some “spirit” was saying those words through Jesus.
Nick, how could an invisible SPIRIT say, “What if you see me ascend to where I was before?” ?
You're doing a whole lot of sniping, but not too much thinking, man.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2014,14:33) Hi MB,
You say
“long before Jesus was made flesh”Umm
Is that what conception means?
What does “born” mean, Nick? Does it usually happen TWICE to one person? Yet we can be “born AGAIN”, right?What about “created”? Doesn't that usually happen only ONCE to a person? Yet we can become “NEW creations”, right?
So, is it POSSIBLE for God to take an already existing spirit being, and cause that being to be “conceived” in the womb of a human woman?
See? You can't possibly say “YES” to the first two, but say “NO” to the third…….. without looking like a hypocrite.
Hi MB,
Will you have to change the whole meaning of CONCEPTION to make this work?
The same word is used in scripture for the conception of John.
Should we change that too??Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2014,14:33) Hi MB,
Were you made flesh?
Nope. Neither were you.In order to BECOME, BE MADE, TAKE ON, or COME IN THE flesh, one must first be something other than flesh.
You and I were created AS flesh beings, Nick. That's why no one has ever, in your entire lifetime, spoke about the time you were MADE FLESH. Or BECAME FLESH. Or CAME IN THE FLESH.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2014,14:38) Hi MB,
Ps 2
7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
So it was not even prophetic when written but historical[ PERHAPS]?
You have a different view of prophecyI guess you have a dogma to defend
This is how I see it, Nick:2 Samuel 7
8 I took you from the pasture, from tending the flock, and appointed you ruler over my people Israel.Verse 8 is just like Psalm 2:7, Nick. The appointing of David is not the prophetic part of the passage, because that part is already said and done……….. just like placing Jesus on Zion was said and done at the time Psalm 2:7 was written.
2 Samuel 7
9 “‘Now I will make your name great…….11 I will also give you rest from all your enemies.
12 I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, your own flesh and blood, and I will establish his kingdom.
16 Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me; your throne will be established forever.’”
The things in verses 9-16 are certainly things that WILL happen in the future for David, but those things had already been told to David at that time.
It is the same with Psalm 2, Nick. God gave Jesus a decree that involved a thing that already happened (setting him on Zion), and then proceeded to tell Jesus about things to come.
The things to come would be in the future, but those things had already been said to Jesus at that time.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2014,14:50) Hi MB,
Will you have to change the whole meaning of CONCEPTION to make this work?
The same word is used in scripture for the conception of John.
Should we change that too??
Will YOU change the meaning of “born” to preach about being “born AGAIN”?Will YOU change the meaning of “created” to preach about being a “NEW creation”?
Give it up already.
Hi MB,
The setting up of the kingdom physically on earth has not happened yet and that is most of what ps 2 is about.
The decree was spoken by God in prophecy in ps 2 and occurred and was heard at the JordanQuote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2014,14:56) Hi MB,
Good.
So it does not relate to conception then.Looks like the Jordan is the place
Now you're just wasting my time, Nick. This happens every time. I give you SOLID support for my beliefs, and when you realize there is no way for you to refute what I said, you give up on even TRYING to have a serious discussion, and instead resort to meaningless snide comments.For example, I said this:
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 25 2014,14:49)
What does “born” mean, Nick? Does it usually happen TWICE to one person? Yet we can be “born AGAIN”, right?What about “created”? Doesn't that usually happen only ONCE to a person? Yet we can become “NEW creations”, right?
So, is it POSSIBLE for God to take an already existing spirit being, and cause that being to be “conceived” in the womb of a human woman?
See? You can't possibly say “YES” to the first two, but say “NO” to the third…….. without looking like a hypocrite.
To which you responded with:Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2014,14:51) Hi MB,
Surely those who are not limited by their natural minds are not by definition HYPOCRITES?How in the world does that address the things I said in my post?
It doesn't. You CAN'T address them, and so you resort to smartass comments that don't amount to anything more than the clanging of cymbals.Grow up, Nick. Let's have a BIG BOY discussion, okay?
Hi MB,
Do you want to play in a theological sandpit?
No way.But carry on yourself.
Their theory is a waste of timeHi MB,
You say” So, is it POSSIBLE for God to take an already existing spirit being, and cause that being to be “conceived” in the womb of a human woman?”
Do we work on what God can POSSIBLY DO or what is revealed?
But you have not answered my question about the same word being used for the conception of Jesus as for John.
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