When did the devil fall?

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Matthew 12: 41 `Men of Nineveh shall stand up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it, for they reformed at the proclamation of Jonah, and lo, a greater than Jonah here! A queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it, for she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon, and lo, a greater than Solomon here! 43 `And, when the unclean spirit may go forth from the man, it doth walk through dry places seeking rest, and doth not find; 44 then it saith, I will turn back to my house whence I came forth; and having come, it findeth [it] unoccupied, swept, and adorned: 45 then doth it go, and take with itself seven other spirits more evil than itself, and having gone in they dwell there, and the last of that man doth become worse than the first;so shall it be also to this evil generation.'

Matthew 11: 19 the Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, Lo, a man, a glutton, and a wine-drinker, a friend of tax-gatherers and sinners, and wisdom was justified of her children.' 20 Then began he to reproach the cities in which were done most of his mighty works,] because they did not reform. 21 `Wo to thee, Chorazin! wo to thee, Bethsaida! because, if in Tyre and Sidon had been done the mighty works that were done in you, long ago in sackcloth and ashes they had reformed; 22 but I say to you, to Tyre and Sidon it shall be more tolerable in a day of judgment than for you. 23 `And thou, Capernaum, which unto the heaven wast exalted, unto hades shalt be brought down, because if in Sodom had been done the mighty works that were done in thee, it had remained unto this day; 24 but I say to you, to the land of Sodom it shall be more tolerable in a day of judgment than to thee.'

The example of the unclean spirit that infected the man but then returned with more unclean spirits, is an example of what can happen after you witness signs and miracles, but then do not reform. This man was infected by an unclean spirit that had been established by the powers of YHWH , upon not reforming the man was cursed with greater infections.

Exodus 4:11 “So the Lord said to him,” Who has made man's mouth? Or who makes the mute, the deaf, the seeing, or the blind? Have not I the Lord?”

Isaiah 45:6-7 “That they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting that there is none besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other; I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I the Lord do all these things.”

If a creature has supernatural powers to curse or create darkness that creature MUST BE UNITED with YHWH, otherwise they would HAVE NO POWERS!

There is NO OTHER that forms light and creates DARKNESS, NO OTHER that makes peace and CREATES CALAMITY. To denote darkness and calamity as coming from a power other then YHWH is to CREATE a FALSE gOD, plain and simple. The Satan in the book of Job was called an adversary because it was inflicting Job, being an adversary to Job. The Satan in the book of Job is NEVER said to be against God, in fact the Satan is carrying out the will of God!!

The Christian character of Lucifer, the fallen angel named Satan, is an IMAGE of a FALSE gOD. To preach that the Satan in the book of Job is a creature that holds it’s own power to curse and bring darkness, is to stand on the foundation of Babylon being a GREAT WHORE.

The City of Capernaum was exalted TO HEAVEN, but was later CAST DOWN, just as the KINGS in Revelation that form to make a great beast or rather dragon, was exalted to a high position with great authority was cast down. There exists NO PLACE in scripture that speaks of angels being kicked out of God’s righteous abode, and then being allowed to wreak havoc on humans. Any creature with POWER to curse would obviously be a creature UNITED with YHWH, for it is ONLY He who has such ability, there is NO OTHER.

Judges 9:23 Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech:

Deut 28: 14 So you shall not turn aside from any of the words which I command you this day, to the right or the left, to go after other gods to serve them. 15 “But it shall come to pass, if you do not obey the voice of the Lord your God, to observe carefully all His commandments and His statutes which I command you today, that all these curses will come upon you and overtake you: 16 Cursed shall you be in the city, and cursed shall you be in the country. 17 Cursed shall be your basket and your kneading bowl. 18 Cursed shall be the fruit of your body and the produce of your land, the increase of your cattle and the offspring of your flocks. 19 Cursed shall you be when you come in, and cursed shall you be when you go out. 20 “The Lord will send on you cursing, confusion, and rebuke in all that you set your hand to do, until you are destroyed and until you perish quickly, because of the wickedness of your doings in which you have forsaken Me. 21 The Lord will make the plague cling to you until He has consumed you from the land which you are going to possess. 22 The Lord will strike you with consumption, with fever, with inflammation, with severe burning fever, with the sword, with scorching, and with mildew; they shall pursue you until you perish. 23 And your heavens which are over your head shall be bronze, and the earth which is under you shall be iron. 24 The Lord will change the rain of your land to powder and dust; from the heaven it shall come down on you until you are destroyed. 25 The Lord will cause you to be defeated before your enemies; you shall go out one way against them and flee seven ways before them; and you shall become troublesome to all the kingdoms of the earth. 26 Your carcasses shall be food for all the birds of the air and the beasts of the earth, and no one shall frighten them away. 27 The Lord will strike you with the boils of Egypt, with tumors, with the scab, and with the itch, from which you cannot be healed. 28 The Lord will strike you with madness and blindness and confusion of heart. 29 And you shall grope at noonday, as a blind man gropes in darkness; you shall not prosper in your ways; you shall be only oppressed and plundered continually, and no one shall save you. 30 You shall betroth a wife, but another man shall lie with her; you shall build a house, but you shall not dwell in it; you shall plant a vineyard, but shall not gather its grapes. 31 Your ox shall be slaughtered before your eyes, but you shall not eat of it; your donkey shall be violently taken away from before you, and shall not be restored to you; your sheep shall be given to your enemies, and you shall have no one to rescue them. 32 Your sons and your daughters shall be given to another people, and your eyes shall look and fail with longing for them all day long; and there shall be no strength in your hand. 33 A nation whom you have not known shall eat the fruit of your land and the produce of your labor, and you shall be only oppressed and crushed continually. 34 So you shall be driven mad because of the sight which your eyes see. 35 The Lord will strike you in the knees and on the legs with severe boils which cannot be healed, and from the sole of your foot to the top of your head. 36 The Lord will bring you and the king whom you set over you to a nation which neither you nor your fathers have known, and there you shall serve other gods–wood and stone. 37 And you shall become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword among all nations where the Lord will drive you. 38 You shall carry much seed out to the field but gather little in, for the locust shall consume it. 39 You sha
ll plant vineyards and tend them, but you shall neither drink of the wine nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them. 40 You shall have olive trees throughout all your territory, but you shall not anoint yourself with the oil; for your olives shall drop off. 41 You shall beget sons and daughters, but they shall not be yours; for they shall go into captivity. 42 Locusts shall consume all your trees and the produce of your land. 43 The alien who is among you shall rise higher and higher above you, and you shall come down lower and lower. 44 He shall lend to you, but you shall not lend to him; he shall be the head, and you shall be the tail. 45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon you and pursue and overtake you, until you are destroyed, because you did not obey the voice of the Lord your God, to keep His commandments and His statutes which He commanded you. 46 And they shall be upon you for a sign and a wonder, and on your descendantsforever

The bible is clear, YHWH ALONE brings forth darkness, cursing and calamity. YHWH sends forth EVIL SPIRITS upon people. These curses are passed down from one generation to the next, either because they are inherited being placed in a person’s genes, or they are contagious diseases. Diseases are the mark of a past generation of sinners. Jesus went about healing people who had inherited the curses of their forefathers, which included those diseases of the mind that create madness. Those IGNORANT of YHWH, or those who were WHORES to YHWH, denoted the demons, evil or unclean spirits to FASLE CREATURES, of whom YHWH directly warns us in scripture against, saying that belief in them is foolishness, for they are images of falsehood who cannot walk, talk, do good or do any evil.

Jeremiah 10:1 Hear the word which the Lord speaks to you, O house of Israel. 2 Thus says the Lord: “Do not learn the way of the Gentiles; Do not be dismayed at the signs of heaven, For the Gentiles are dismayed at them. 3 For the customs of the peoples are futile; For one cuts a tree from the forest, The work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. 4 They decorate it with silver and gold; They fasten it with nails and hammers So that it will not topple. 5 They are upright, like a palm tree, And they cannot speak; They must be carried, Because they cannot go by themselves. Do not be afraid of them, For they cannot do evil, Nor can they do any good.” 6 Inasmuch as there is none like You, O Lord (You are great, and Your name is great in might), 7 Who would not fear You, O King of the nations? For this is Your rightful due. For among all the wise men of the nations, And in all their kingdoms, There is none like You. 8 But they are altogether dull-hearted and foolish; A wooden idol is a worthless doctrine. 9 Silver is beaten into plates; It is brought from Tarshish, And gold from Uphaz, The work of the craftsman And of the hands of the metalsmith; Blue and purple are their clothing; They are all the work of skillful men. 10But the Lord is the true God; He is the living God and the everlasting King. At His wrath the earth will tremble, And the nations will not be able to endure His indignation.11 Thus you shall say to them: “The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth shall perish from the earth and from under these heavens.” 12 He has made the earth by His power, He has established the world by His wisdom, And has stretched out the heavens at His discretion. 13 When He utters His voice, There is a multitude of waters in the heavens: “And He causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth. He makes lightning for the rain, He brings the wind out of His treasuries.” 14 Everyone is dull-hearted, without knowledge; Every metalsmith is put to shame by an image; For his molded image is falsehood, And there is no breath in them. 15 They are futile, a work of errors; In the time of their punishment they shall perish. 16 The Portion of Jacob is not like them, For He is the Maker of all things, And Israel is the tribe of His inheritance; The Lord of hosts is His name. 17 Gather up your wares from the land, O inhabitant of the fortress! 18 For thus says the Lord: “Behold, I will throw out at this time The inhabitants of the land, And will distress them, That they may find it so.” 19 Woe is me for my hurt! My wound is severe. But I say, “Truly this is an infirmity, And I must bear it.” 20 My tent is plundered, And all my cords are broken; My children have gone from me, And they are no more. There is no one to pitch my tent anymore, Or set up my curtains. 21 For the shepherds have become dull-hearted, And have not sought the Lord; Therefore they shall not prosper, And all their flocks shall be scattered. 22 Behold, the noise of the report has come, And a great commotion out of the north country, To make the cities of Judah desolate, a den of jackals. 23 O Lord, I know the way of man is not in himself; It is not in man who walks to direct his own steps. 24 O Lord, correct me, but with justice; Not in Your anger, lest You bring me to nothing. 25 Pour out Your fury on the Gentiles, who do not know You, And on the families who do not call on Your name; For they have eaten up Jacob, Devoured him and consumed him, And made his dwelling place desolate.

Mark 9:25 Jesus having seen that a multitude doth run together, rebuked the unclean spirit, saying to it, `Spirit — dumb and deaf — I charge thee, come forth out of him, and no more thou mayest enter into him;'

The unclean spirit was a spirit causing dumbness and deafness.
Exodus 4:11 “So the Lord said to him,” Who has made man's mouth? Or who makes the mute, the deaf, the seeing, or the blind? Have not I the Lord?”

We see in scripture that the word demon, evil spirit and unclean spirit are used interchangeably.

Luke 8:29 For he commanded the unclean spirit to come forth from the man, for many times it had caught him, and he was being bound with chains and fetters — guarded, and breaking asunder the bonds he was driven by the demons to the deserts.

The unclean spirit or demon is equated with madness of mind, a condition of which we see in scripture as coming directly from YHWH.

Scripture shows that Jesus is HEALING people who have demons.

Luke 9:42 and as he is yet coming near, the demon rent him, and tore [him] sore, and Jesus rebuked the unclean spirit, and healed the youth, and gave him back to his father.

Jesus rebuked the unclean spirit, just as he rebuked a woman’s fever.

Luke 4:39 and having stood over her, he rebuked the fever, and it left her, and presently, having risen, she was ministering to them.

John 10:20 and many of them said, `He hath a demon, and is mad, why do ye hear him?'

Someone who has a demon is said such because they are acting crazy or are saying crazy things.

Matthew 12:24 Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.”

Christianity teaches the whorish idea that demons are fallen angels who follow the King of fallen angels Satan (Lucifer). Just as foolish, the Pharisees in the time of Jesus believed in the false god of Ekron, Beelzebub. Biblical FACT tells us directly that it is YHWH who makes the deaf, the blind, the dumb, and the mad, and we are told that it is HE ALONE that brings forth cursing and calamity, that it is HE who FORMS the DARKNESS. Deuteronomy 28 gives us a very clear picture of this, where God inflicts such horror on people that the people turn against each other becoming lost in a world of darkness, even to the point of where they EAT THEIR OWN CHILDREN!!

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Leviticus 17:7They shall no more offer their sacrifices to demons, after whom they have played the harlot. This shall b
e a statute forever for them throughout their generations.” '

Deuteronomy 32:17 They sacrificed to demons, not to God, To gods they did not know, To new gods, new arrivals That your fathers did not fear.

2 Chronicles 11:15 Then he appointed for himself priests for the high places, for the demons, and the calf idols which he had made.

Psalms 106:37 They even sacrificed their sons And their daughters to demons,

Demons in the above represent false gods. These Gods are not to be feared because as we are told in Jeremiah 10 they do not have any powers, they are complete false images for it is ONLY YHWH who has POWER. We are not to FEAR these DEMONS because they are NOT REAL, there is ONLY ONE God, one in existence of whom WE SHALL FEAR, YHWH.

How many times have I heard the warning of Satan, the fallen angel Lucifer and watch out for him by the Christian churches? Such absolute Harlotry to preach that one should fear the powers of another other then YHWH!

Deuteronomy 6:12 then beware, lest you forget the Lord who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 13 You shall fear the Lord your God and serve Him, and shall take oaths in His name. 14 You shall not go after other gods, the gods of the peoples who are all around you 15 (for the Lord your God is a jealous God among you), lest the anger of the Lord your God be aroused against you and destroy you from the face of the earth.

Other gods were wrong to go after because they were FALSE in that there is ONLY ONE who exists with Powers, YHWH. However most of you people on this forum preach that we should be aware of and fear another being that has powers. You preach about a being who has control over the earth, having powers to establish kings, powers to cause calamity and bring darkness. The truth is that God makes the rich and the poor, He brings down to the grave, He causes earthquakes, famine, disease. We are also shown that He brings forth WAR among the people, and it is He that makes kings rise and fall!! Deuteronomy 28 shows us the state of madness a person can be placed in when faced with harsh circumstances. Man can as well certainly bring severe hardship onto people therefore also causing demons to enter the mind, however scripture tells us that there exists ONLY ONE being that has supernatural powers that can inflict us, YHWH.

YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER gODS! Crazy that Christians on this forum have no idea as to what that actually means!! YHWH said that He would give some a mind of blindness, IMO those who preach in fallen angels, have just that. Your inferences and additions are not TRUTH, they are abominations, true pathetic works of foolishness and Harlotry!! Truly the Gentile ways have eaten you Christians up!!

June 13, 2010 at 7:54 pm#195721

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Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 14 2010,06:44)

The Christian character of Lucifer, the fallen angel named Satan, is an IMAGE of a FALSE gOD.

Hi Jodi,

Who's image is this referring to? (Rev.13:15)

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

June 13, 2010 at 8:04 pm#195725

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Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 14 2010,06:44)

Biblical FACT tells us directly that it is YHWH who makes the deaf, the blind, the dumb, and the mad, and we are told that it is HE ALONE that brings forth cursing and calamity, that it is HE who FORMS the DARKNESS.

Hi Jodi,

So was Job right to blame YHVH for his troubles?

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

June 13, 2010 at 8:05 pm#195726

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Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 14 2010,06:44)

HI Jodi,

How do you explain this verse for all of us here? (2Cor.4:4)

2Cor.4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them
which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ,
who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

June 13, 2010 at 8:21 pm#195728

JustAskin

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Jodi Lee,

That was a massive and most intense post.

How long did it take you to put it together?

One thing: Are you sure Satan was not opposing God? Did he not challengenGid, Accuse God, and thus God 'allowed' him to do his worst with Job, snything, everything, except take his life?

June 14, 2010 at 1:18 am#195788

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Quote (Ed J @ June 14 2010,07:04)

Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 14 2010,06:44)

Hi Jodi,

So was Job right to blame YHVH for his troubles?

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

ED J………..Read Job 42:11< Jodi is right in what she has said.

peace and love…………………gene

June 14, 2010 at 1:28 am#195789

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 14 2010,12:18)

Quote (Ed J @ June 14 2010,07:04)

Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 14 2010,06:44)

Hi Jodi,

So was Job right to blame YHVH for his troubles?

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

ED J………..Read Job 42:11< Jodi is right in what she has said.

peace and love…………………gene

Hi Gene,

You Posted, but you didn't bother to answer my question; will you?
Perhaps your will is held so captive that it can't? (Isaiah 41:28-29)

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

June 14, 2010 at 2:37 am#195810

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Quote (Ed J @ June 14 2010,06:54)

Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 14 2010,06:44)

The Christian character of Lucifer, the fallen angel named Satan, is an IMAGE of a FALSE gOD.

Hi Jodi,

Who's image is this referring to? (Rev.13:15)

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed J,

I have not studied Revelation to a depth where I have figured out its representations as to which human authority figures are being referred to. What I have done while reading it, is keep to the foundation of truth that the other books of the bible have given me.

IMO people either believe in this Lucifer character because they are either completely ignorant of biblical truth and they are just repeating a false doctrine of what they have been told, or they believe because they are delusional, thinking that their own additions and inferences are truth.

June 14, 2010 at 2:51 am#195818

NickHassan

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Hi Jodi,
Well you would say that though.
But self justification is not a strong foundation for truth.

June 14, 2010 at 3:09 am#195823

SimplyForgiven

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Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 14 2010,13:37)

Quote (Ed J @ June 14 2010,06:54)

Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 14 2010,06:44)

The Christian character of Lucifer, the fallen angel named Satan, is an IMAGE of a FALSE gOD.

Hi Jodi,

Who's image is this referring to? (Rev.13:15)

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed J,

hi jodi,
So you think we can be wrong about the devil?
okkkk so if there is a chance that we are wrong,
could you also admit you can be wrong as well?
What if your wrong?

Im sure your sitting by your computer pulling your hair, becuase some people like me, will not conform to your ideals or accpet your truth. yet if you think about it, we also sit behind our computesr yanking our hair as we see you and other not conforming or accpeting what we say is truth.

Dont you think its humourous!!!?

Imagine how God is watching us, saying wow my two people here who are clearly divided in what they believe abuot me….
wow my peoples are fools for trying to be so intelligent.

you made a claim that a person believing that lucifer exists is competely ignorant. thats a very unloving comment to make.
Biblical truth comes from God and God alone.
when you call people like me ignorant, and than also state before that that you have not studied Revelations, and have not figured out its representatiosn to human authority figures, which only tells me your in the same boat.

Observations:
You state people believeing that Lucifer exists
1. for Ignorance
2. Repetition of false doctrine
3. delusional,
4. believing their own additions.

If you say im ignorant, than you and i are both in the same boat.
1. You cant cliam to have the whole truth.
2.. You havent studied Revelations- which means that you have chance to be wrong, and that your are ignorant of the book revelations.
3.. You based your beliefs on what you try to figure out, not based on Holy spirit.
4. You are not open to what God believes, but focus everythign cognictivly on human authority figures.
5.Foundation of Truth is based on what God as should you. if this wasnt the case than everyone would agree.

With this Than i can also say that you are ignorant of biblical truth, that you ignore scriptures, and that its either your repeating a false doctrine that was based on what was told to you, or its because your just delusional, thinking that your own additions and inferences are truth.

With alot of Love,

Consider God, more the alternatives.

Fear stating to have the whole truth, fear stating that this is truth, because your soul, reputation, and everything you are will be riding on that. You better hope it is true.

I in the other hand, rather be wrong, a fool, a slave, and let God be right and do what he says. I would not cliam to have the whole truth. I would claim that I know the Spirit of Truth, i know Truth himself.
And if one wants to know Truth, ill introduce him to the Gospel of Jesus.

much love,

June 14, 2010 at 3:20 am#195826

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Quote (Ed J @ June 14 2010,07:04)

Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 14 2010,06:44)

Hi Jodi,

So was Job right to blame YHVH for his troubles?

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Yes Job was correct to blame his troubles on YHVH….that is what the scriptures clearly indicate. Everyone involved in the book of Job attributed his suffering to God…EVEN YHVH DID!!!!

June 14, 2010 at 3:48 am#195835

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ED J …….Why have you not admitted what i have posted about scripture saying it was GOD who brought all the Evil on JOB. You talk like you love the truth but then turn and deny it if it does not fit you dogmas, Why is that?.

peace and love…………..gene

June 14, 2010 at 4:03 am#195838

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Quote (Ed J @ June 14 2010,07:05)

Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 14 2010,06:44)

HI Jodi,

How do you explain this verse for all of us here? (2Cor.4:4)

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed J,

Philippians 3:18 For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19 whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame–who set their mind on earthly things.

Romans 6:12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace. 15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness. 20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. 22 But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

1 John 2:16 FOR ALL THAT IS IN the world–the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life–is not of the Father but is of the world.

James 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.

Man is NO DIFFERENT from the animals, how do animals behave? How does a beast or serpent behave?…..they behave according to their flesh, according to their nature, according to their survival instincts!!!

No spooks or fallen angels going around jumping in and out of people, manipulating, influencing, or controlling them, just MAN and HIS OWN FLESH, his OWN BELLY BEING his god!!

June 14, 2010 at 4:18 am#195845

gollamudi

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Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 14 2010,15:03)

Quote (Ed J @ June 14 2010,07:05)

Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 14 2010,06:44)

HI Jodi,

How do you explain this verse for all of us here? (2Cor.4:4)

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed J,

1 John 2:16 FOR ALL THAT IS IN the world–the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life–is not of the Father but is of the world.

James 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.

No spooks or fallen angels going around jumping in and out of people, manipulating, influencing, or controlling them, just MAN and HIS OWN FLESH, his OWN BELLY BEING his god!!

Execellent post Sis Jodi. I agree with you, most of the mainline Christianity made mess about Satan and devil. They give lot of credit to the so called fallen angels who jump in-out of people.

Peace and love to you
Adam

June 14, 2010 at 4:19 am#195846

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Jodi……….Amen to that post Sis.

peace and love to you and yours………………gene

June 14, 2010 at 5:45 am#195867

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 14 2010,14:48)

peace and love…………..gene

Hi Gene,

You answer my question and I will (out of my Free will of course) answer yours; deal?

Here's my question to you…
Was Job right to blame YHVH for his troubles? (Isaiah 41:28-29)

God bless
Ed J (Eccl.9:12-16)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
PS. There's no need for you to accuse me of false doctrines! (Eph.4:13-17)

June 14, 2010 at 1:11 pm#195893

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ED J……….Don't kid youself your Will is Far from “FREE:, it is a predesposed WILL at work in you not “FREE: at all.

and the answer to your question is YES Job was right , It was GOD bringing the Evil on JOB. Maybe you have not read where GOD Said Job Spoke rightly about Him.

Job 42:7…..And it was so that after the LORD had spoken these words unto Job, The LORD said to Eliphas the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against you and against your two friends: for you have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job has.

So now that you have your answer where is mine?

peace and love………………..gene

June 14, 2010 at 1:31 pm#195895

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 15 2010,00:11)

ED J……….Don't kid youself your Will is Far from “FREE:, it is a predesposed WILL at work in you not “FREE: at all.

and the answer to your question is YES Job was right , It was GOD bringing the Evil on JOB. Maybe you have not read where GOD Said Job Spoke rightly about Him.

So now that you have your answer where is mine?

peace and love………………..gene

HI Gene,

YHVH allowed the Romans with the Jews consent to kill [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă; does that make YHVH a murder?
If someone in an Arabic country refuses to recant their Christianity, does that then mean they committed suicide?
If terrorists in a shopping mall, pull a knife on someone and you watch it happen, does that make an accomplice?
God allowed satan’s “Free Will” to torture Job, but God was in NO way responsible for what satan had done to Job!

That is my answer!
God bless
Ed J

June 14, 2010 at 1:31 pm#195896