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Yep, yep. Very good points.
Darkness is the absence of Light, like a sinner does not have Jesus.
Lucifer removed himself from the light of God, thus Satan representing darkness the lack of the one who represents light.
I don't say hat I say because I believe what my spiritual father says I say it because of spiritual discernment.
My life of being a witch at one point made me realize how fragile the belief system is and made me more cautious to what I hear and what I read. (I am delivered from witch-craft mind you.
)I don't say things until I am sure 100% it is true, because of how easy it is for someone to be confused.
I look at specific words, relate them to things in the scripture, find out what they mean. I do this because I know this is learning who God is, finding out the mysteries of God.
(Ha! God is so cool!)
And I am also VERY aware of God being beyond time. He is time itself, in it, outside of it, and beyond it all at the same time. He holds all of time in His hand, for a one time He isn't in, never existed, for everything is in Him. If he were to step out of the first day then everything He created then would not exist, for it was created in time, which He is. That was such an awesome thing to think about. haha.
Quote (Atara_Batel @ June 01 2010,18:37) Yep, yep. Very good points.
Darkness is the absence of Light, like a sinner does not have Jesus.
Lucifer removed himself from the light of God, thus Satan representing darkness the lack of the one who represents light.
I don't say hat I say because I believe what my spiritual father says I say it because of spiritual discernment.
My life of being a witch at one point made me realize how fragile the belief system is and made me more cautious to what I hear and what I read. (I am delivered from witch-craft mind you. )I don't say things until I am sure 100% it is true, because of how easy it is for someone to be confused.
I look at specific words, relate them to things in the scripture, find out what they mean. I do this because I know this is learning who God is, finding out the mysteries of God.
(Ha! God is so cool!)
And I am also VERY aware of God being beyond time. He is time itself, in it, outside of it, and beyond it all at the same time. He holds all of time in His hand, for a one time He isn't in, never existed, for everything is in Him. If he were to step out of the first day then everything He created then would not exist, for it was created in time, which He is. That was such an awesome thing to think about. haha.
Your giving off to much personal info.
unneeded.
If you want to talk about that, than go to the member profiles and make a thread about yourself.lol it doesnt say darkness in that since.
you have confused yourself.unformed? void? darkness? does this not click in your head.
You literally believe what scripture does not say. I would understand you if the scripture SAID, that the earth was destroyed because of the devil. THINK OPEN YOUR MIND. THERE IS NO SCRIPTURE THAT SUPPORST THIS, OTHER THAN THE SCRIPTURE THAT IS BETWEEN VERSE 1 AND 2, WHICH IS NOTHING!!!!!believe what scriptures says, what it states, not what is not stated.
You believe this because someone told you,
and he probably didnt know better either, because this idea came way before the evolution theory. if anything thats what started it off.
You ignored that the Devil was in eden,
you ignored alot of points actually.just bc you used to be a witch doesnt mean you know everything. i already have proof that you dont know everything. the fact that you live, is proof to me that you do not know everything, why? because when a humans knows everything he will die. its to much information.
your 100percent view is alreay flawed.
nothing is 100percent, only God is 100 percent.as you said, may i qoute
YOU look for specific words, YOU relate them to things in the scripture, YOU find out what they mean, YOU do this because you THINK this is learning who God is, finding out mystieres of God based on what YOU think.you have bewitched yourself,
I rather nothing, than to try to act as if i know something,
Think about it,
ponder,
EXamine yourself,
use scripture,
all your points have nothing to do with scripture.Your brief testimony does not validate your cliams. It just help me see more of you.
deny yourself.
Die, and be born again,
in your mind,If you had spiritual discernment, than you would understand.
Ask the spirit abuot me,
Ask God,Have you asked God?
Let God teach you, stop thinking,Admit to God that your wrong,
I have already done that daily, i rather be wrong and let God be right. To him deserves all honor and glory.Imagine to say that your right, Yet God is the ABSOLUTE TRUTH, do you not fear, tremble that you might be 1percent wrong. thats enough to damn anyone. Thank God for Jesus.
think about it,
isnt it better to be wrong.
humble yourself.my advice,
stop believing what is not said.
you want to convince me?
show me scripture.
not between verses.Much love,
Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 01 2010,17:23) Revelation 2:10 Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life. The devil in the above scripture represents the Roman government that was persecuting Christians for not worshiping the Roman Emperor.
So when did the Roman government with it's idolatry worship of the emperor, fall from heaven?
God is not limited between the Spiritual and the Physical,
The same with Love that can be felt by feelings and felt through ones touch.What has God shown you?
What is he telling you?Pray before responding.
Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 01 2010,18:09) Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14 we are told DIRECTLY are speaking of MEN, adding to scripture saying that they mean otherwise is teaching your OWN ideas and your OWN ideas DO NOT EQUAL TRUTH!!
Hi Jodi Lee,You mean like you saying there is no such thing (falsely) as “Free Will”?
Ed J
PS> Gene: Please DON'T respond to this Post!
We don't need you to play referee!Quote (Ed J @ June 02 2010,00:39) Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 01 2010,18:09) Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14 we are told DIRECTLY are speaking of MEN, adding to scripture saying that they mean otherwise is teaching your OWN ideas and your OWN ideas DO NOT EQUAL TRUTH!!
Hi Jodi Lee,You mean like you saying there is no such thing (falsely) as “Free Will”?
Ed J
PS> Gene: Please DON'T respond to this Post!
We don't need you to play referee!
Hi Ed J,The fact of those chapters is that they are speaking of MEN, and there is no mention of some jealous angel losing his position in heaven. People are so desperate to prove fallen angels they have to add to scripture creating falsehood. I will respond to your comment of Free Will on the proper thread.
SF,
I have not been unaware of you lately – Just not spoken out.
Yuu do swing between several letters but those words to AB was …good… Were you in the Spirit – Sounds like it?
You rightly say that when one speaks in the spirit it is a serious and fearful thing. I have said this to another elsewhere.
In fact, any invoking of any spirit, Godly (Holy Spirit) or Satanic (Like Witches) is a serious and deadly thing and only the Holy One is ever to be indulged in.
In time, AB will see!
Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 02 2010,02:43) Quote (Ed J @ June 02 2010,00:39) Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 01 2010,18:09) Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14 we are told DIRECTLY are speaking of MEN, adding to scripture saying that they mean otherwise is teaching your OWN ideas and your OWN ideas DO NOT EQUAL TRUTH!!
Hi Jodi Lee,You mean like you saying there is no such thing (falsely) as “Free Will”?
Ed J
PS> Gene: Please DON'T respond to this Post!
We don't need you to play referee!
Hi Ed J,The fact of those chapters is that they are speaking of MEN, and there is no mention of some jealous angel losing his position in heaven. People are so desperate to prove fallen angels they have to add to scripture creating falsehood. I will respond to your comment of Free Will on the proper thread.
Hi Jodi,I thought you said you were going to ignore my Posts to you; what changed?
Ed J
Quote (Ed J @ June 02 2010,03:54) Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 02 2010,02:43) Quote (Ed J @ June 02 2010,00:39) Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 01 2010,18:09) Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14 we are told DIRECTLY are speaking of MEN, adding to scripture saying that they mean otherwise is teaching your OWN ideas and your OWN ideas DO NOT EQUAL TRUTH!!
Hi Jodi Lee,You mean like you saying there is no such thing (falsely) as “Free Will”?
Ed J
PS> Gene: Please DON'T respond to this Post!
We don't need you to play referee!
Hi Ed J,The fact of those chapters is that they are speaking of MEN, and there is no mention of some jealous angel losing his position in heaven. People are so desperate to prove fallen angels they have to add to scripture creating falsehood. I will respond to your comment of Free Will on the proper thread.
Hi Jodi,I thought you said you were going to ignore my Posts to you; what changed?
Ed J
Ah, have not been on much for awhile, thanks for reminding me, obviously I forgot where we left off!!Quote (JustAskin @ June 02 2010,03:37) SF, I have not been unaware of you lately – Just not spoken out.
Yuu do swing between several letters but those words to AB was …good… Were you in the Spirit – Sounds like it?
You rightly say that when one speaks in the spirit it is a serious and fearful thing. I have said this to another elsewhere.
In fact, any invoking of any spirit, Godly (Holy Spirit) or Satanic (Like Witches) is a serious and deadly thing and only the Holy One is ever to be indulged in.
In time, AB will see!
Hey JA,ya its hard speaking out when one is trying to stick to the topic, and some people start going off topic.
i have to do several debates in one post.
or make several posts.
it took me actaually 3 hours last night to finish replying to this thread. and one hour to the others.Let all honor and glory go to God. ya i was in the Spirit, because this thread was for someone just like AB, The point it not the devil, its about us, our minds, our beliefs.
Very True, the invoking of any spirit is a very serious thing.
Two questions.
1. are you a moderator now?
2. what did you think about my super long post in this thread?Much love,
I hope AB will see not me,
not what i said,
Only What God wants him to know,SF,
1) I answerd that where you asked it.
2) Don't ask for praise in open forum – pm instead! there are no prizes for boasting in yourself – see everyone saw that admonishion.
(- admonish your brother in private –
Acknowledge his good in public as an example to other
but praise him in private lest he become accustomed to public adoration!
-)Quote (JustAskin @ June 02 2010,06:30) SF, 1) I answerd that where you asked it.
2) Don't ask for praise in open forum – pm instead! there are no prizes for boasting in yourself – see everyone saw that admonishion.
(- admonish your brother in private –
Acknowledge his good in public as an example to other
but praise him in private lest he become accustomed to public adoration!
-)
JA,You misunderstood my 2nd response.
Im asking about the super duper long post i made, because i would like your critics.
in other words, I saw your very first post, and i wanted to respond to it, but i didnt, beacuse my posisition was vague.Now that i have posted my position and my analysis,
What are your critics in other words.
your input.In other words, some things we said differ.
can we discuss it?
much love riddler =)
Quote (JustAskin @ June 01 2010,02:26) Arnold, But just to answer you – No, he would not!
BTW, the post is about When did Satan Fall.
Satan fell long, and I mean long as in millions or billions of years ago. It was when Lucifer ascended to heaven to take over the throne of God, when he was cast back down to earth.Isa 14:12 ¶ How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Question; where did Lucifer ascend from, if not from this earth?
Where did he fall back down to, if not to this earth?
What was he, and the angels, doing on this earth in the first place?Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
And no one knows how long the earth may have existed before Satan's rebellion caused the destruction of it.
Georg
Arnold,
Quoting Scriptures that everyone knows doesn't make it anymore true or less true.
First off – Satan didn't ascend to heaven. He was already IN heaven. He fell FROM heaven.
What he did was to try and occupy the throne of God…to SIT on the MOUNT of God.Note that the verse says “For thou hast said in thine heart, 'I WILL ascend into Heaven,..”
but the other verse says:”How art thou fallen FROM heaven…”
It can be conjectured that at some point while not in heaven Lucifer was talking to other angels about what he was going to do (grumbling to them) and God got to hear about it (Book of Esther: The Plot to overthrow the King Ahesereus!) Was it Haman who plotted – Haman the King's highest? Who reported the Plot: Mordecai – who became the king's Highest when Haman fell, was hanged on his own 'Tree'…)Lucifer was a heavenly angel, the greatest angel among his brethren (the first among his brethren – Ha! -) and so thought himself also worthy to be as God. Jesus did not exaly himself:
(“For he taketh away the FIRST in order to establish the Second”)
What is Lucifer's “Throne”?
Who are the “STARS of GOD”?Please Note: to sit IN the Mount is not the same as to sit ON the mount.
Revelation says that the Lamb was In the throne of God but it does not say he was On the throne.
Jesus, himself said he sat down “AT the Right Hand of his Father's Throne”
And also; “When I sit on MY throne” – his own throne – David's throne – IN His OWN Power & Authority (granted by God) …judging the world.THRONE Means POWER AND AUTHORITY – Jesus was given – was IN the P&A but was not the owner – the initiating source – of that P&A. Satan wanted to BE that.
What was Lucifer and the other angels doing on earth: Surprise surprise – THEY HELPED TO CREATE THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH.
When you build a house, but not only the house but the gardens, the woodlands, streams, rolling valleys, etc., how many people are employed to carry out the task? ONE? – NO, MANY – Many with differing trades and skillsets at varying levels of ability!
But who gets the credit – Only One – Jesus: the CHIEF ENGINEER, ChIEF DESIGNER, CHIEF BUILDER, THE CHIEF PROJECT MANAGER.
God's creation was indeed the work of these – THIS ONE called Jesus.WHo credits the plumber, the gardener, the roof tier, the woodsman, the electrician (Are you thinking of the rolling credits on TV programs – For God's world the credits would still be rolling today…!)Quote (JustAskin @ June 03 2010,01:45) Arnold, Quoting Scriptures that everyone knows doesn't make it anymore true or less true.
First off – Satan didn't ascend to heaven. He was already IN heaven. He fell FROM heaven.
What he did was to try and occupy the throne of God…to SIT on the MOUNT of God.Note that the verse says “For thou hast said in thine heart, 'I WILL ascend into Heaven,..”
but the other verse says:”How art thou fallen FROM heaven…”
It can be conjectured that at some point while not in heaven Lucifer was talking to other angels about what he was going to do (grumbling to them) and God got to hear about it (Book of Esther: The Plot to ovethrow the King Ahesereus!) Was it Haman who plotted – Haman the King's highest? Who reported the Plot: Mordecai – who became the king's Highest when Haman fell, was hanged on his own 'Tree'…)Lucifer was a heavenly angel, the greatest angel among his brethren (the first among his brethren – Ha! -) and so thought himself also worthy to be as God. Jesus did not exaly himself:
(“For he taketh away the FIRST in order to establish the Second”)
What is Lucifer's “Throne”?
Who are the “STARS of GOD”?Please Note: to sit IN the Mount is not the same as to sit ON the mount.
Revelation says that the Lamb was In the throne of God but it does not say he was On the throne.
Jesus, himself said he sat down “AT the Right Hand of his Father's Throne”
And also; “When I sit on MY throne” – his own throne – David's throne – IN His OWN Power & Authority (granted by God) …judging the world.THRONE Means POWER AND AUTHORITY – Jesus was given – was IN the P&A but was not the owner – the initiating source – of that P&A. Satan wanted to BE that.
What was Lucifer and the other angels doing on earth: Surprise surprise – THEY HELPED TO CREATE THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH.
When you build a house, but not only the house but the gardens, the woodlands, streams, rolling valleys, etc., how many people are employed to carry out the task? ONE? – NO, MANY – Many with differing trades and skillsets at varying levels of ability!
But who gets the credit – Only One – Jesus: the CHIEF ENGINEER, ChIEF DESIGNER, CHIEF BUILDER, THE CHIEF PROJECT MANAGER.
God's creation was indeed the work of these – THIS ONE called Jesus.WHo credits the plumber, the gardener, the roof tier, the woodsman, the electrician (Are you thinking of the rolling credits on TV programs – For God's world the credits would still be rolling today…!)
God's throne is “IN” heaven, heaven is just a place, a place af “all” authority. God doesn't have to hear you say something, he knows what's in your heart.“””What was Lucifer and the other angels doing on earth: Surprise surprise – THEY HELPED TO CREATE THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH.”””
Your kidding, right? u funni gy
The reason you reject scripture is, you don't understand them, so go ahead and believe whatever makes you happy.
Georg
Arnold,
I have answered the question. I said “it can be conjectured…”
What you were implying was that Lucifer was already fallen – before he …fell…!What was he and the other angels… I answered that too.
So what are you saying to me, please.
Ask me your question again, please.
SF,
I have ADHD – Attention Deficit …something beginning with 'H' …Disorder…
What were we talking about – oh look at that cat – nice — I'm hungry…
Long posts send me to sleep – does anyone actually read them? too much – too much (is there something from Alice in Wonderland that fits this scenario? or was it Sleeping beauty – why did theyall fall asleep and is he still orating? Give him an Apple!!!)
I will try:
Read a little
Sleep a little
read a little
…ad infinitum…To All………There is (NO) DEVIL (being) No SATAN (being). There are adversarial (beings) which are humans (beings) and they are the Satans and devils on this earth not some elusive (spook) “BEING” going around jumping in and out of people. The whole concept of a Satan (BEING) is the produce of Pagan Metaphysical idolatry. All you who believe that Lucifer is this being , Need to read who Isaiah was told to say that to, and quite trying to replace it with some elusive being.
Isa14:4…….> That thou shalt take up this proverb against the (KING OF BABYLON) and say How has the (OPPRESSOR CEASED! the Golden City ceased!
and again…..Isa 14:16…..> They that see you shall narrowly look upon you, and consider you, saying , Is this (THE MAN) that has made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms.
Now from that some get this elusive (Being) called “LUCIFER” or SATAN or the DEVIL. Pure conjecture at Best. IMO
peace and love to you all……………..gene
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