what truth do we know for sure ?

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Quote (terraricca @ June 30 2011,11:48) TK Quote So the truth of God to one is different than the truth of God to another. Same God, different levels of understanding this sentence of your is not true,the truth can not be different to one than to the other,but the understanding that lacking to one will not make that person see the full will of God,and so he could not understand what a more mature person will see, Pierre Pierre: The truth is not different from one to another. We only have our own perception of the truth. The higher we climb the mountain of God knowledge the greater our viewpoint. The broader the viewpoint the truer the perception. Perception is moulded until it is understood and then is accepted as a belief. Beliefs taint an alter all knowledge that comes to an individuals mind. Willingness to release deep beliefs is necessary to perceive more accurately. Water Baptism by John was a metaphoric picture of cleaning out the minds of those indoctrinated in old test. religion. Wash away the old to accept the new, Spirit truth from God! IMO, TK

tk

you look saying the same thing of what i do say ,

Gods truth never change but the believer in his own mind changes the truth of God ,

Pierre

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it is what scriptures called to be born again ;we have to be introduced to scriptures in a child way approach ,so that we honestly do believe all what is written and absorb it for truth,in this way we are believing all what God as written to us,but we have to read it again and again,and each time we become closer to God with our mind our understanding of his will and above all, all the things he did for men ,and so Love him for it,this will bring us closer ,very close to God ,because he is now become our father ,and this relationship will increase or decrease this depend on us in our heart.

the truth is there in scriptures ,but many do not look for truth of God but there view of the truth of God ,this is deceit when it is teach ed.

Pierre

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few will be saved ,Why ? no one search for the truth of God and practice it and love him ,that is why ,

Pierre

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few will be saved ,Why ? no one search for the truth of God and practice it and love him ,that is why ,

1Tim.4:9-11.
9 Faithful is the saying and worthy of all welcome
10 (for for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of believers.
11 These things be charging and teaching.

It is Gods will that non should perish… Is our God unable to do what He wishes?

Blessings.

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Quote (chosenone @ July 02 2011,22:59)

Quote few will be saved ,Why ? no one search for the truth of God and practice it and love him ,that is why , 1Tim.4:9-11. 9 Faithful is the saying and worthy of all welcome 10 (for for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of believers. 11 These things be charging and teaching. It is Gods will that non should perish…   Is our God unable to do what He wishes? Blessings.

chosenone

this is what God would like and he made there for one sacrifice for all men ,Jesus Christ is son live,

but not all want to be saved ,the do not accept to do Gods will for there own benefit ,and so reject live,

Pierre

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many will say LORD,LORD did we not work for you and do this and that and also this ,but what did Christ say to them ,GO away I do not know you.

and some on the other hand do not recall doing anything for Christ and yet Christ say to them ,you have given me water when i was thirsty,and give me,,,,,,,,,,,,,come you are blessed,,,,,,,,,,,,

Pierre

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I have seen that many have come to believe in many things that scriptures do not teach,but they still say that they are Christians ;how is that possible ?well that s what they say but is that what God or Christ will say about them?
God kingdom his not invited so how come the believers are ? because all believers are not true believers,at there fruits we can tell ,right.but what are their fruits ,

well first all of us should learn to stand on is own understanding and be concerned with the truth of God in the entire scripture and believe it to be the word of God,
2Pe 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2Pe 2:2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
2Pe 2:3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
2Pe 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
2Pe 2:5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
2Pe 2:6 if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
2Pe 2:7 and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
2Pe 2:8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)—
2Pe 2:9 if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
2Pe 2:10 This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority.
Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
2Pe 2:11 yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
2Pe 2:12 But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
2Pe 2:13 They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.
2Pe 2:14 With eyes full of adultery, they never stop sinning; they seduce the unstable; they are experts in greed—an accursed brood!
2Pe 2:15 They have left the straight way and wandered off to follow the way of Balaam son of Beor, who loved the wages of wickedness.
2Pe 2:16 But he was rebuked for his wrongdoing by a donkey—a beast without speech—who spoke with a man’s voice and restrained the prophet’s madness.
2Pe 2:17 These men are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them.
2Pe 2:18 For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error.
2Pe 2:19 They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him.
2Pe 2:20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.

2Pe 3:1 Dear friends, this is now my second letter to you. I have written both of them as reminders to stimulate you to wholesome thinking.
2Pe 3:2 I want you to recall the words spoken in the past by the holy prophets and the command given by our Lord and Savior through your apostles.
2Pe 3:3 First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.
2Pe 3:4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.”
2Pe 3:5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water.
2Pe 3:6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed.
2Pe 3:7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
2Pe 3:8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.
2Pe 3:11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives
2Pe 3:12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat.
2Pe 3:13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness.
2Pe 3:14 So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him.
2Pe 3:15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him.

some of the bad fruit is mention by Peter,

Pierre

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wen scriptures talk about GLORY, of the father ? the son ?

what does that mean Glory how can God have glory and Christ have Glory ?

how can Christ call for a restitution of previous glory ?

so what is Glory in the spiritual world ?

also God does not share his Glory ,why ?

Pierre

[chosenone]

Here is what scripture says about “the CONSUMMATION”, the completed work of Gods creation. No where else in scripture is this revealed…

1Cor.15:21-28

21 For since, in fact, through a man came death, through a Man, also, comes the resurrection of the dead.
22 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified.
23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence;
24 thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power.
25 For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy is being abolished: death.
27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him.
28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.)

Who can argue with Gods word? He WILL BE “All in all”!

God says in 1Tim.2:4…”Who wills that all mankind be saved and come into a realization of the truth”.

Many seem to think that 'Gods will' is just a 'wish', that He is unable to do what He wants, that mankinds so-called “free will” can overpower Gods will. What nonsence!!!

God Bless.

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Quote (chosenone @ July 11 2011,23:03)

Here is what scripture says about “the CONSUMMATION”, the completed work of Gods creation.  No where else in scripture is this revealed… 1Cor.15:21-28 21 For since, in fact, through a man came death, through a Man, also, comes the resurrection of the dead. 22 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified. 23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence; 24 thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power. 25 For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy is being abolished: death. 27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him. 28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.) Who can argue with Gods word?  He WILL BE “All in all”! God says in 1Tim.2:4…”Who wills that all mankind be saved and come into a realization of the truth”. Many seem to think that 'Gods will' is just a 'wish', that He is unable to do what He wants, that mankinds so-called “free will” can overpower Gods will.  What nonsence!!! God Bless.

ch o

good scriptures and you right;Here is what scripture says about “the CONSUMMATION”, the completed work of Gods creation. No where else in scripture is this revealed

and I agree with you on that ;but does it say that all will be save and receive live ?
or it just says that he will subdued all things

what this mean eliminate the wicket ones ?or change them?or take all there powers away from them ?

but if God will save us all and give us everlasting live or bring us to him in a way that it is no longer our choice ,then why waiting for it all this time?
this could have been done long ago and many generations could have been born in Paradise

but it seems that the choice of having things done God made that it is our self who make the decision to serve him and love him and that for this reason he allow us to live a number of years ,to make such a choice,

some die before the age of be able to make that choice ,but have they lost there resurrection privilege ? i do not think so,

there are always reasons be hind God actions

Pierre

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All is predestined, we have no choice, and no part in our salvation, all will be saved. It is God, and Him alone who saves us, see Eph.1:11…
11 in Him in Whom our lot was cast also, being designated beforehand according to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,
Again… “All is of God” (2Cor.5:18-19…18 Yet all is of God, Who conciliates us to Himself through Christ, and is giving us the dispensation of the conciliation,
19 how that God was in Christ, conciliating the world to Himself, not reckoning their offenses to them, and placing in us the word of the conciliation.)

Mankind, in his unscriptural opinion, thinks that he is the author of his own salvation by what he can accomplish. Nothing is further from the truth, ALL IS Of GOD!

Blessings.

[GeneBalthrop]

Chosenone……….Good to see you back Brother. Hope all is well with you, As you know i also agree with what you posted. i believe we all have a lot more going for us then we realize, Not becasue of who we are , but becasue of who God the Father is and the Power to Create righteousness in all his creation. Glad to see your back Brother.

peace and love to you and yours………………………………………..gene

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All is predestined, we have no choice, and no part in our salvation, all will be saved.  It is God, and Him alone who saves us, see Eph.1:11… 11 in Him in Whom our lot was cast also, being designated beforehand according to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,    Again… “All is of God” (2Cor.5:18-19…18 Yet all is of God, Who conciliates us to Himself through Christ, and is giving us the dispensation of the conciliation, 19 how that God was in Christ, conciliating the world to Himself, not reckoning their offenses to them, and placing in us the word of the conciliation.)   Mankind, in his unscriptural opinion, thinks that he is the author of his own salvation by what he can accomplish.  Nothing is further from the truth, ALL IS Of GOD!   Blessings.

co

YOU STILL DO NOT understand what Peter is saying ?

2Pe 3:1 Dear friends, this is now my second letter to you. I have written both of them as reminders to stimulate you to wholesome thinking.
2Pe 3:2 I want you to recall the words spoken in the past by the holy prophets and the command given by our Lord and Savior through your apostles.
2Pe 3:3 First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.
2Pe 3:4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.”
2Pe 3:5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water.
2Pe 3:6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed.
2Pe 3:7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
2Pe 3:8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.
2Pe 3:11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives

Pierre

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why is it that some people beleive that God will save all ,well this is the provitions he made so it can happen

during almost 4000 years God as blessed and punushed people some for there wicketnes somee blessed for there righteousnes,why do some people God would change his judgement? No,God never change

Ps 25:11 For the sake of your name, O LORD,
forgive my iniquity, though it is great.
Ps 79:9 Help us, O God our Savior,
for the glory of your name;
deliver us and forgive our sins
for your name’s sake.
Isa 2:9 So man will be brought low
and mankind humbled—
do not forgive them.

Jer 5:1 “Go up and down the streets of Jerusalem,
look around and consider,
search through her squares.
If you can find but one person
who deals honestly and seeks the truth,
I will forgive this city

Jer 5:1 “Go up and down the streets of Jerusalem,
look around and consider,
search through her squares.
If you can find but one person
who deals honestly and seeks the truth,
I will forgive this city

for I will forgive the remnant I spare.

Ex 34:7 maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished;

Job 10:14 If I sinned, you would be watching me
and would not let my offense go unpunished.

Pr 6:29 So is he who sleeps with another man’s wife;
no one who touches her will go unpunished

Pr 11:21 Be sure of this: The wicked will not go unpunished,
but those who are righteous will go free.

Pierre

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 13 2011,01:37)

Chosenone……….Good to see you back Brother. Hope all is well with you, As you know i also agree with what you posted. i believe we all have a lot more going for us then we realize, Not becasue of who we are , but becasue of who God the Father is and the Power to Create righteousness in all his creation. Glad to see your back Brother.   peace and love to you and yours………………………………………..gene

Hi Gene, thanks for the warm welcome, and I agree with your statements. I have chosen to not be so involved with discussions of this sort, but I do look at it at times, and will comment if I feel it a benefit to others and myself. I feel it doesn't benefit any or myself to endlessly debate what scripture means, but I will take part at times.

God Bless.

[chosenone]

In understanding scripture, it is important to 'correctly cut the word of truth'.

Meaning it is important to know… “who is speaking, and to whom it is spoken to”.

Most misunderstanding is because of an ignorance of this truth. Paul explains this truth in Gal.2:7-9

7 But, on the contrary, perceiving that I (Paul) have been entrusted with the evangel of the Uncircumcision,
8 according as Peter of the Circumcision (for He Who operates in Peter for the apostleship of the Circumcision operates in me also for the nations),
9 and, knowing the grace which is being given to me, James and Cephas and John, who are supposed to be pillars, give to me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we, indeed, are to be for the nations, yet they for the Circumcision-

I hope this explains that 2 Peter (2Pe) is to the circumcision, not to us in this present economy.

God Bless.

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Quote (chosenone @ July 14 2011,00:07)

In understanding scripture, it is important to 'correctly cut the word of truth'. Meaning it is important to know… “who is speaking, and to whom it is spoken to”. Most misunderstanding is because of an ignorance of this truth.  Paul explains this truth in Gal.2:7-9 7 But, on the contrary, perceiving that I (Paul) have been entrusted with the evangel of the Uncircumcision, 8 according as Peter of the Circumcision (for He Who operates in Peter for the apostleship of the Circumcision operates in me also for the nations), 9 and, knowing the grace which is being given to me, James and Cephas and John, who are supposed to be pillars, give to me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we, indeed, are to be for the nations, yet they for the Circumcision-   I hope this explains that 2 Peter (2Pe) is to the circumcision, not to us in this present economy. God Bless.

co

so you denying that this quote in not for the believer of today,

2Pe 3:11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives

just take the the last 8 words if they do not apply ,then your conclusion is right if they do apply then you do not promote truth in Gods eyes

i wander

Pierre

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co so you denying that this quote in not for the believer of today,

I believe what scripture says, not what man says it means… see Gal.2:7-8.

Blessings.

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Quote (chosenone @ July 14 2011,20:39)

Quote co so you denying that this quote in not for the believer of today, I believe what scripture says, not what man says it means… see Gal.2:7-8. Blessings.

co

yeah whatever ,you are the only one that can connect to that so best wishes

it has nothing in there of what we talking

Pierre

[chosenone]

Pierre, sorry, I appologise, I didn't know you were Jewish.

God Bless.

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