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January 4, 2011 at 10:42 am#231755

terraricca

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Lk 20:35 But those who are considered worthy of taking part in that age and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage,
Lk 20:36 and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels. They are God’s children, since they are children of the resurrection.

this scripture say that all resurrected person can not die,

would this mean that the wicket ,the one who rejecting Gods grace will go in eternal punishment ??

Pierre

January 4, 2011 at 10:48 am#231757

seekingtruth

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terraricca,
Lk 20:35 But those who are considered worthy of taking part in that age and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage,
Lk 20:36 and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels. They are God’s children, since they are children of the resurrection.

January 4, 2011 at 10:55 am#231758

terraricca

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Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 05 2011,03:48)

yes you see it ,good ,now would this be in harmony with;

Rev 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
Rev 20:13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.
Rev 20:14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
Rev 20:15 If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire

Pierre

January 4, 2011 at 11:42 am#231764

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Lets hear the spirit of the word. Jesus said I'am the resurrection and[to] the life [of God]. The words of God are life. Jesus gave us the true words of life. We were dead in trespasses and sin but the true words of life from Jesus have lifted us up from mental darkness of sin and death and given us eternal life in[with] Christ[the annointing of God]! It is no longer I that liveth but Christ [the annointing of God] in me! Now death no longer rules my thoughts. Sickness or disease can no longer take away or affect my life in God.

All are equal, we must tell all/everyone, this is for whosoever[anyone] who will accept and believe!

We are empowered by Jesus' words from God given to whosoever will accept and believe. Whatever sin was is gone. Whatever death a person is talking about has no part in the life from God.

We no longer fight sickness and disease, we heal it. It is a distorted and destructive energy created by mankind [believing incorrectly] that must be balanced and returned to the light from where it came. We are to heal the nations. Heal the people. Healing is life giving. Giving God to people is Giving life to them. If they are sick, heal/love the sickness into balance and perfection from whence it came originally.

To be born again one must resurrect from believing in death. Being born again is the resurrection of the dead. Mentally dead. Wrong thinking. The mind of Christ is the annointing of God. Don't cover it with darkness thinking. Spew forth the light of life. IMO, TK

January 4, 2011 at 1:39 pm#231768

Baker

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Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 04 2011,20:42)

all

this scripture say that all resurrected person can not die,

would this mean that the wicket ,the one who rejecting Gods grace will go in eternal punishment ??

Pierre

Jesus is speaking of the “first” resurrection, the saints.

Psa 50:5 Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice.

Psa 116:15 Precious in the sight of the LORD [is] the death of his saints.

All of them will be raised as spirit beings, as angels.

The “wicked”, and all who never heard of Jesus, will be resurrected in new flesh bodies, but with the same “mind” that they died with; they will all be taught the truth.

Georg

January 4, 2011 at 2:02 pm#231770

terraricca

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Quote (Tim Kraft @ Jan. 05 2011,04:42)

All are equal, we must tell all/everyone, this is for whosoever[anyone] who will accept and believe!

We are empowered by Jesus' words from God given to whosoever will accept and believe. Whatever sin was is gone. Whatever death a person is talking about has no part in the life from God.

Tim

you view puzzles me ,Paul suffers from his eyes he can not see that well, Timothy has stomach problems ,and are you any better than them?

Pierre

January 4, 2011 at 2:12 pm#231771

terraricca

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Quote (Baker @ Jan. 05 2011,06:39)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 04 2011,20:42)

all

this scripture say that all resurrected person can not die,

would this mean that the wicket ,the one who rejecting Gods grace will go in eternal punishment ??

Pierre

Jesus is speaking of the “first” resurrection, the saints.

Psa 50:5 Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice.

Psa 116:15 Precious in the sight of the LORD [is] the death of his saints.

All of them will be raised as spirit beings, as angels.

The “wicked”, and all who never heard of Jesus, will be resurrected in new flesh bodies, but with the same “mind” that they died with; they will all be taught the truth.

Georg

georg

I agree with you ,but;Rev 20:5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years

who are included in the first and the second resurrection ?

first;
second;??

Pierre

January 4, 2011 at 2:17 pm#231774

Baker

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Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 04 2011,20:55)

Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 05 2011,03:48)

yes you see it ,good ,now would this be in harmony with;

Pierre

Try the KJV, see how it reads there.

Rev 20:11 ¶ And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the “”earth”” and the “”heaven”” fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Jesus is sitting on that throne, the time is the millennium.
You know that the book of Revelation has more symbolism, metaphors, and allegories, then any other book.
By “EARTH”, what is meant is, peoples governments, their society's, our many different created ways of life.
By “HEAVEN”, heaven above is where God's throne is, it is THEE place of ALL authority. “Heavens” on earth are places of religious authority's, man made religion, “CHURCHES”.
Look at the next verse.

Psa 50:4 He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may judge his people.

God calls to the “HEAVENS” from above, to the heavens here on earth.

Verse 12; by what “WORKS” do you think they were judged?
Verse 13; no matter where or how you died, you will be resurrected. Same question regarding to what they had done.
Verse 14; how do you destroy death? death is a condition brought on by sin.

Hbr 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

1Cr 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

This will not happen until after the millennium, after Satan is released from his prison.
“HADES”, meaning the “grave”, how do you destroy the grave? by having no more death. after Satan is thrown into the lake of fire, is destroyed, there will be no more sin, no more sin means, no more death, no more death means, no more grave.

Verse 15, any one whose name was not in the book of life, would have already died again, before Satan was thrown into the lake of fire.

Georg

January 4, 2011 at 2:25 pm#231776

Istari

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To All,

They Cannot DIE – BUT they can be DESTROYED.

To die is a natural decaying of their Flesh and Blood and Bone body.
To be destroyed is destruction of their SPIRIT.

January 4, 2011 at 2:29 pm#231778

terraricca

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georg

first resurrection is without doubts prior to the millenium,

so the ;Ecc 3:17 I thought in my heart,
“God will bring to judgment
both the righteous and the wicked,
for there will be a time for every activity,
a time for every deed.”

Ecc 11:9 Be happy, young man, while you are young,
and let your heart give you joy in the days of your youth.
Follow the ways of your heart
and whatever your eyes see,
but know that for all these things
God will bring you to judgment.
Ecc 12:14 For God will bring every deed into judgment,
including every hidden thing,
whether it is good or evil.
Isa 3:14 The LORD enters into judgment

Isa 66:16 For with fire and with his sword
the LORD will execute judgment upon all men,
and many will be those slain by the LORD.

Jer 2:35 you say, ‘I am innocent;
he is not angry with me.’
But I will pass judgment on you
because you say, ‘I have not sinned.’

so those scriptures should relate to the second resurrection ,no??
Judgment is connected to the resurrection,right??

Pierre

January 4, 2011 at 2:38 pm#231780

terraricca

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Quote (Baker @ Jan. 05 2011,06:39)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 04 2011,20:42)

all

this scripture say that all resurrected person can not die,

would this mean that the wicket ,the one who rejecting Gods grace will go in eternal punishment ??

Pierre

Jesus is speaking of the “first” resurrection, the saints.

Psa 50:5 Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice.

Psa 116:15 Precious in the sight of the LORD [is] the death of his saints.

All of them will be raised as spirit beings, as angels.

The “wicked”, and all who never heard of Jesus, will be resurrected in new flesh bodies, but with the same “mind” that they died with; they will all be taught the truth.

Georg

georg

i think this is what you refer to ,is it ??

Eze 38:22 I will execute judgment upon him with plague and bloodshed; I will pour down torrents of rain, hailstones and burning sulfur on him and on his troops and on the many nations with him.
Da 7:22 until the Ancient of Days came and pronounced judgment in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came when they possessed the kingdom.

Pierre

January 4, 2011 at 2:40 pm#231782

Baker

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Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 05 2011,00:12)

Quote (Baker @ Jan. 05 2011,06:39)

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all

this scripture say that all resurrected person can not die,

would this mean that the wicket ,the one who rejecting Gods grace will go in eternal punishment ??

Pierre

Jesus is speaking of the “first” resurrection, the saints.

Psa 50:5 Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice.

Psa 116:15 Precious in the sight of the LORD [is] the death of his saints.

All of them will be raised as spirit beings, as angels.

The “wicked”, and all who never heard of Jesus, will be resurrected in new flesh bodies, but with the same “mind” that they died with; they will all be taught the truth.

Georg

georg

who are included in the first and the second resurrection ?

first;
second;??

Pierre

Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Rev 7:9 ¶ After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

These are all the kings and priests.
These are “ALL” the once that will be in the first resurrection; they will be raised with a new nature (body), spirit nature (body). They can not die again.

Now for all the rest of the people read what will happen after the 1000 years are finished.

Rev 20:7 ¶ And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

What does Satan do?

Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

He goes out and deceives the world again, and do you see how many do follow him? They “all” die verse 9.
You see, as long as there is a possibility for you to die because of sin, you are considered dead.
Satan gets to watch it all, and then be thrown into the lake of fire himself.
Now there is no more death.

Georg

January 4, 2011 at 2:46 pm#231783

Istari

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Terraricca,

Good quote for Irene for [Do Spirits have bodies]:

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Jer 2:35
[Irene] say,
‘I am innocent;
he is not angry with me.’
But [God] will pass judgment on you
because you say, ‘I have not sinned.’

January 4, 2011 at 2:48 pm#231784

Istari

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Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 04 2011,20:42)

all

this scripture say that all resurrected person can not die,

would this mean that the wicket ,the one who rejecting Gods grace will go in eternal punishment ??

Pierre

Terraricca,

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They Cannot DIE – BUT they can be DESTROYED.

To die is a natural decaying of their Flesh and Blood and Bone body.
To be destroyed is destruction of their SPIRIT.

January 4, 2011 at 3:29 pm#231793

terraricca

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georg

this is part of your comment ,were i do not fully agree with not because it is not true ,but to me it mises a few things;

i will use capital letters to go between your comments;ok
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FIRST THE SECOND RESURRECTION TAKES NOW PLACE (THE MILLENIUM IS FINISH)
ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT ALL PEOPLE ARE RESURRECTED WITH THE WAYS THEY HAD WEN THEY DIED.
Rev 20:7 ¶ And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

SO WHAT IS SATAN FIND?
Rev 17:7 Then the angel said to me: “Why are you astonished? I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast she rides, which has the seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:8 The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life

THIS SCARLET BEAST IS ALL THE PEOPLE WITH THERE VIEWS THEY HAD BEFORE THERE RESURRECTION,THE PROSTITUDE IS SATAN HIMSELF HIS LAST STAND,(SEE THIS BEAST COMES OUT FROM THE ABYSS AND GO TO HIS DESTRUCTION)

SEE SATAN IS THE PROSTITUTE AND THE BEAST HIS WORLD POWERS= IT SAYS;ONCE WAS ,NOW IS NOT ,AND WILL COME OUT OF THE ABYSS,

ONCE WAS =BEFORE THE MILLENIUM ;;NOW IS NOT =MILLENIUM,;;AND WILL COME OUT OF THE ABYSS =AFTER THE MILLENIUM,
What does Satan do?
Rev 14:8 A second angel followed and said, “Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great, which made all the nations drink the maddening wine of her adulteries.”
Rev 14:9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand,
Rev 14:10 he, too, will drink of the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.
THIS IS WERE SEPARATION TAKE PLACE BEFORE THE FINAL DESTRUCTIO

Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
NOW THE ONES WHO GOT OUT OF BABYLON THE GREAT AND WENT TO CHRIST WILL BE SAVED AND THE REMAINDER OF PEOPLE
WILL BE STIPPING THE PROSTITUTE AND WILL THEN TURN TO THE CAMP OF GODS PEOPLE TO DESTROYE IT ,BUT GOD BRING DOWN FIRE AND DESTROYED THEM
He goes out and deceives the world again, and do you see how many do follow him? They “all” die verse 9.
You see, as long as there is a possibility for you to die because of sin, you are considered dead.
Satan gets to watch it all, and then be thrown into the lake of fire himself.
Now there is no more death. THIS IS NOW TRUE.

Pierre

January 4, 2011 at 5:06 pm#231814

Baker

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Pierre

If the second resurrection is taken place now; who do you know has been resurrected?

Satan is never referred to as “the beast”, his kingdoms are.

“Woman”, as you should know, is symbolic for “church”. The whore sitting on this “beast” represents “all” false religion. Besides, this beast did not come out of the abyss.

Pierre you are all confused, you have to look at what I'm saying, what I'm pointing out to you; if you ignore what I say, and only continue to ask question without looking into my answers, you will never understand.
When you come up with as answer, it not only has to align with scripture, it has to fit into historical events, and finally, it has to make sense.
It would help me, if you were to show me how you get to your conclusion, because the scriptures you gave, and the conclusion you drew from there just don't make any sense; they just don't fit together.

Sorry.

Georg

January 4, 2011 at 5:58 pm#231825

terraricca

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Quote (Baker @ Jan. 05 2011,10:06)

Pierre

If the second resurrection is taken place now; who do you know has been resurrected?

Satan is never referred to as “the beast”, his kingdoms are.

“Woman”, as you should know, is symbolic for “church”. The whore sitting on this “beast” represents “all” false religion. Besides, this beast did not come out of the abyss.

Sorry.

Georg

georg

i do not say that the second resurrection take place now,it take place after the millennium,

and the reason why i really believe the scarlet beast with the whore sitting on top,is Satan and is final power,

that is the height king who is part of the seven,and only last for a while,this is the time given to Satan to deceit the people from the second resurrection ,the scarlet beast color mean the last the final ,the end.and the beast is representative with all the people good and bad out to judgment ,this is why Satan is released this is the final ,

;mene,mene tekel,Parsin.;; the people he sit on will take him apart there eyes will be open to see all what he done to them,

and some will come out to Christ .

Pierre

January 4, 2011 at 6:26 pm#231829

Baker

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Pierre

Remember I said, it has to make sense?

How can the second resurrection take place “after” the millennium. What would the millennium be for, if not to resurrect the dead, and teach them? Can't you see what will happen “after” the millennium?
Look at the scriptures. “AFTER” the millennium Satan will be loosed, “WHY”? to give “ALL” mankind a final test, and do you see how many will fail? after that Satan will be thrown into the lake of fire, and that's the end of it all; Paradise will be restored. No more sin, no more death.

Pierre, you are not only NOT pay attention to what I say, but you ignore scriptures as well.
You have not acknowledged whether you understand what a beast is, it is NOT Satan.
As long as you believe he is, we can't make any progress.
Satan is the power behind all worldly kingdoms, but he is not the “kingdom/beast himself.

If Satan is the eighth beast, who was the seventh?

Georg

January 4, 2011 at 6:50 pm#231835

Ed J

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Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 05 2011,01:29)

georg

this is part of your comment ,were i do not fully agree with not because it is not true ,but to me it mises a few things;

i will use capital letters to go between your comments;ok
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SEE SATAN IS THE PROSTITUTE AND THE BEAST HIS WORLD POWERS= IT SAYS;ONCE WAS ,NOW IS NOT ,AND WILL COME OUT OF THE ABYSS,

Pierre

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January 4, 2011 at 7:28 pm#231846

terraricca

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georg

it will make sense but this is all in me ,i will explain all;

first Satan is the whore;;And Satan sit on the beast ;;,the beast are the image of those powers(because those powers will not be the same strength as before)and the ten kings are the ones who will be part of that beast and bring division to all the resurrected people) ,this is why it is the eight head( king) but is part of the seven,and he will remain for only a short time(time for Satan to test and then destroyed)

the millennium is the sabbath day of Christ and his people from the first resurrection,for they all will be with him and live according to God,;
The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

being priest means to serve God ,in Israel they were the leaders of the nation,because the King is now in heaven so they will be the administrators in his name ,

Pierre

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