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Did JESUS come in the flesh?
Did all creation come through JESUS?
Was JESUS God and with God?
Care with scripture is vital.1 John 4:2
This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,2 John 1:7
I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.2 John 1:9
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.Hebrews 1:2
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.Colossians 1:13-17
13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.1 John 1-3
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. 2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. 3 We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.Hi t8,
Indeed the verses here refer to the Son or to Jesus Christ or Christ.
None refer just to JESUS.
Do you think the word CHRIST meaning ANOINTED makes a difference?
The flesh contributes nothing
hi t8,
He was the son of God through conception.
But he was not yet a spiritual son of God.
That is the sonship that we can follow.
Do you think it relates to his physical sonship or his spiritual sonship?
Hi T8
1 John 1-3
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life.The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus ChristHere in the same passage we see Jesus Christ, the Son, and the WORD of life, the eternal life which was with the Father.
Do you think it means the Anointing on Jesus is the Word and the Sonship is spiritual?
So your view is that he was the physical son of God at birth, (like Adam), then became the spiritual son at baptism. Is that right?
BTW, if you copy your post as it appears, and paste it back in in Text Mode, it should render the code.
Hi ED,
Jesus was born again at the Jordan.
We follow him.
Hi Nick,
Is that when “The Word” maketh the son?
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God bless
Ed JHi ED,
You mean heb 7.28
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But the word OF THE OATH maketh the son..”
A promise
Hi Nick,
My question is: when was this promise fulfilled?
1. At Bethlehem? (the house of bread)
2. At Jordan? (the river of judgement)I say #1.
What say you?When scripture writes Jesus Christ or Christ is it OK for us to change that to Jesus?
What happens if we say that Jesus is not the Christ?
Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist–denying the Father and the Son.
You deny that he is the Christ before baptism right? Is the above applicable.
It doesn’t say that those that deny he was the Christ after baptism, and it doesn’t say that if we deny that Jesus Christ is the Christ.
It just says that if we deny that Jesus is the Christ.
Hi T8,
Jesus is the Christ.
He was known in prophecy as the Christ before then.
So you feel entitled to change the words of scripture as it suits?
So your view is that he was the physical son of God at birth, (like Adam), then became the spiritual son at baptism, then this begs the question, which son status did God create all things through him and for him?
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.
No I don’t feel entitled to change anything. Jesus of Nazareth is I think the most common term and am happy to read what it says in each verse.
My point is that you have to say that Jesus was not the Christ before baptism which if wrong, would mean that the below is applicable right.
Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist–denying the Father and the Son.
I noted that it doesn’t say that those that deny he was the Christ after baptism, and it doesn’t say that if we deny that Jesus Christ is the Christ.
It just says that if we deny that Jesus is the Christ which you are obviously and openly doing regarding Jesus of Nazareth. You may be right of course, but I am not that brave to take this stance myself knowing the consequences of being wrong. What would happen for example, if Jesus was the Christ before the foundation of the world as he is the lamb? What if his baptism was merely the sign of his Christship and the start of that ministry. Does that mean that he was not the Christ before? Was he the Christ and the lamb, but emptied himself and at the right season God restored it? Are the Lamb of God and messiah are wrapped up together and if so, what does it mean ‘foundation of the world’.
It is also written that he emptied himself, and obviously it was God that filled him. And that he did not regard equality with God something to be grasped. But does that not make him the Christ at any point? Maybe he was all these things, but put them aside for a time for his time was not yet, but never denying them at anytime.
Hi t8,
The creation was by the Spirit. Ps 104.
This is not in conflict with your verse because “Now the Lord is the Spirit”
The Spirit is eternal.
The Sons of God are led by the Spirit of God.
Do you think the Son was in the beginning with God? The Word was and the Word is the Spirit of Christ.
Hi t8,
You are being confused by the unusual and not necessarily logical sense of spiritual time.
Jesus Christ IS the same yesterday today and forever for example
One day can be 1000 years is another example.
Why fear the consequences of being wrong about Jesus T8? God is with you! does God or Jesus judge us based on our theological correctness? and is the consequence just being forever dead? it ain’t so bad is it-just to sleep with our fathers?
Hi t8,
Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Without the anointing though he was just a godfearing Jewish carpenter.
Wow Nick,so you don’t think he was Lord at his birth? as Luke’s gospel says? You think he really was just a mere man that was so good that God chose him as a special son?
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