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The question you should ask is…
Was this understanding limited to the Pharisees alone – or is the concept of the Son’s equality with God openly confirmed in Scripture..?
Paul says of Christ, ” who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped..” and, “For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body.”
John says the Word was with God, and the Word was God…
All these verses and many more confirm the equality of the Son with the Father… it’s not just some Catholic dogma as you rigidly claim…
Nick or to whom it may concern
The most amazing thing is the ability for Christians to manipulate the scripture, when the bible says Elijah was taken up to heaven, they get upset ask which heaven and all sorts of things but Jesus said:
John 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven–the Son of Man.
Does he say the 3rd heaven or the 10th heaven? no but Christians don’t like that Elijah was taken up and whatever Heaven he ascended to he ascended before Jesus. Jesus was created and came from heaven and descended through Mary, Elijah had already ascended
Hi BD,
Yes the Word came from heaven.
None had entered there so it could not have been the heaven Elijah ascended to.
You keep saying that John 1:1 represents Genesis also, right?
So here is the question: Does God have a beginning?
Because in both John and Genesis it talks about the beginning of something and although I am certain 100% it is the beginning of different things and that John and Genesis have nothing to do with each other…God wants me to ask you….”Do I have a beginning?”
Hi davidl,
The Words of Peter were from the Holy Spirit.
Do you think the pharisees were led by the Spirit of God?
So you do agree with the pharisees?
You keep strange company.
I speak to you truth – and this is your response..!
..are you grasping for straws…?
The Pharisees could not accept the truth because of their own pride..
..do you also have the same problem…??
You keep saying that John 1:1 represents Genesis also, right?
So here is the question: Does God have a beginning?
Because in both John and Genesis it talks about the beginning of something and although I am certain 100% it is the beginning of different things and that John and Genesis have nothing to do with each other…God wants me to ask you….”Do I have a beginning?”
The beginning of creation…
John takes the first four words of Scripture “In the beginning God..” and inserts Jesus in here as the Word..
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
This is John’s way of showing us who Jesus is..
“He was with God in the beginning.” v2
“All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.” v3
Col 1:16, “For in Him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible..”
Heb 1:2, “God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.”
Hi David,
So WAS somehow means the same as IS?
Jesus was conceived in Mary.
You confuse the vessel with the contents.
Hi Davidl,
It is you who offered the words of the pharisees in support of your theory that Peter’s words needed adding to.
And you accuse us of pride?
DavidL
So if Jesus was in the beginning of creation then he was not before creation God was before the beginning. Although I keep explaining to you John is being poetical whereas Genesis is historical.
If the word became flesh is a literal statement then the Word of God died? when Jesus says the Flesh profiteth nothing if the word was made flesh literally would not that mean it profits not? You are simply mistaken
Hi BD,
Scripture says Peter was inspired by the Holy Spirit when he said
“Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God’
Do you agree or do you think Jesus and Peter are mistaken?
Hi Nick
Hi BD,
Scripture says Peter was inspired by the Holy Spirit when he said
“Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God’
Do you agree or do you think Jesus and Peter are mistaken?
No, of course not
Luke 1:32
He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:Hi BD,
Scripture says Peter was inspired by the Holy Spirit when he said
“Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God” (Matt 16:16)
Do you agree or do you think Jesus and Peter are mistaken?
Hi Nick,
Good post, but I will need to explain it to BD as he is slow to accept the things of God.
BD, this verse connects up what John said in 1John 2:22, I will post the verse and explain.“Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? ……………….Thou art the Christ,
He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.” (1John 2:22)………the Son of the living God. (Matt 16:16)Do you see it now BD?
CHRIST *is* THE SON OF GOD!So to say “Jesus is the Messiah” is to affirm that “Jesus is the Son of God”
‘anti-christ’ denying “Jesus is the Son of God” is denying “Jesus is the Messiah”
Messiah means anointed, and to be anointed as God’s appointed leader (ref. 1Sam.15:1)Jesus is God’s appointed LEADER that is why we are Christians
we are Christians because we follow Christ God’s appointed leader.Muhammad is the false prophet of Revelation and the islamic messiah.
The false god of islam is fallen angel Lucifer that called himself Jibreel.____________
God bless
Ed JIt is you who offered the words of the pharisees in support of your theory that Peter’s words needed adding to.
And you accuse us of pride?
I say that Jesus is the Son of God…
You say – he was just a man…!!
Aren’t you being the Pharisee..??
“..And the high priest said to Him, “I adjure You by the living God, that You tell us whether You are the Christ, the Son of God. Jesus said to him, “You have said it yourself [that is, your own actions against Me are proof of who I am]; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN.” – Matt 26:63
The Pharisees couldn’t accept this – it was too imperious and antagonizing for their religious conceitedness to conceive how this insignificant son of a carpenter from Nazareth with no formal degrees of education in the Torah would dare to elevate Himself above all their meticulous tradition of self-proclaimed wisdom and religious superiority..
And so, you also cannot accept the reality of Christ..
Is it because your man-made doctrine (like the Pharisees) has put you at odds with the truth..?
Claiming to be led by the Spirit – your own anti-trinity bias has actually led you into a place where you are forced to deny the reality of Jesus Christ…!!!
Today there are many who claim to be sons of God – “children of Abraham” (and may genuinely want to be) – when in fact their own actions expose and betray them as children of deception… tares among wheat.
If the word became flesh is a literal statement then the Word of God died? when Jesus says the Flesh profiteth nothing if the word was made flesh literally would not that mean it profits not? You are simply mistaken
The flesh of Jesus Christ is our food.
His words, the only visible and tangible part of Him we have on earth, are what believers feed and meditate upon – our very life.. (at least, this is how it’s meant to be – and is when we are first born again.. before we get seduced by carnal reasoning)…
“like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow..” 1 Peter 2:2
“But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.” 2 Cor 11:3
“Don’t let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powers of this world, rather than from Christ.” Col 2:8
Did the Word of God die..? actually Christ came to die…to give His life as a ransom for many..
Death means separation – Jesus tasted the agony and horror of separation for every man..(the sinless One receiving the punishment that belongs to us as sinners – thus becoming our Passover Lamb)
Yet, as the Psalms declare – “For Thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt Thou suffer Thine Holy One to see corruption.” (16:10)
“so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and He will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him.” Heb 9:28
When Jesus said, “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.” ..it is like saying, Don’t get caught up in all the outward doctrine of religion, but get to the real meaning beneath it all…come to Me – don’t get confused by man-made beliefs..Satan also works in religion to get us caught up in the externals, and away from the deeper reality of spiritual truth found only in knowing Jesus Christ..
David,
John takes the first four words of Scripture “In the beginning God..” and inserts Jesus in here as the Word..
God created the heaven and earth by his Word but the first mention is when he spoke and said “Let there be Light” and there was light.
Jesus was not conceived nor were those by which he originated, except for God. God had not yet made Adam.
Bodhitharta,
John 3:13 is hard to understand because there is more than one version in manuscripts and other reasons. This is the version I favor.
John 3:13Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
Jesus had not yet bodily ascended to haven and yet and the way it is written in English tells us that in the past Jesus was speaking the Son of man was the only human that ascended to heaven. The version I prefer states he was currently in heave even as his body was speaking to Nicodemus.
In other places he teaches the same things though in different words. In short he is in God through the Spirit and God is in him through the same Spirit. In this one he is teaching Nicodemus that he is the only one that this up to the time he is speaking.
Some are confused and think Jesus is speaking of his bodily ascension, which happens later.
Jesus often taught about the Spirit though his words were not as clear as some of his students.
God created the heaven and earth by his Word but the first mention is when he spoke and said “Let there be Light” and there was light.
Jesus was not conceived nor were those by which he originated, except for God. God had not yet made Adam.
don’t you understand yet….
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