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If many are saved and born again; then why many need to go through tribulation?
And then fail the test? (UN born again)? (UN saved again)?Because the many are not saved and are not born again in the true sense.
The tribulation is God’s mercy upon them that are BEGOTTEN in Mother Zion’s belly; but have not grown to maturity to the day set for the resurrection. They need help to survive, therefore put through the fire of purification.
They will be sorted; which should spiritually live; and which should die.Isaiah 48:10 Behold, I have refined thee, BUT NOT with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.
All Christians are begotten through God’s doctrine, and are in mother Zion’s belly. In the doctrines belly.
But many have not grown mature spiritually, to that day set for the resurrection.
Many also have not grown at all; they will be born spiritually dead. They have to wait to the 2nd resurrection.A few only Have fully grown spiritually in Her belly; they don’t need to go through the fire of the tribulation.
They are the very elect. They have been refined by silver; not in the furnace affliction.
The tribulation is God’s last chance for the pre mature to have life, by His mercy.
The 2nd resurrection is also God’s mercy upon them that never could know Christ for good reasons.
They will be judged by their deeds; and separated; the sheep from the goats.All you so called saved and born again; examine yourself; you have been promised gold; but false gold.
You can be unborn again and unsaved again, because you are not truly born again in the true sense.
You have been baited, and have taken the bait, and are caught, and trapped.
Examine your faith, and seek. That passport to heaven is false. Need to wake up and do something about it.
No point getting all upset; it is not helping your situation. Just find out for your own sake, if it is true or false.wakeup
Hi WU,
Those in the first resurrection are not destined for wrath.1 thess 1.10, 1thess 5.9
But we go through many tribulations acts 14.22
Wakeup……All go through tribulation, but the LORD delivers them. JESUS PLANLY SAID WE WOULD ALL BE SALTED WITH FIRE, ANd EVERY chiled of God is deciplined and he SCOURAGES EVERY SON HE EXCEPTS.
Another point is that even silver is melted in fire to be purified also. Peter told us that our faith would be tried , saying knowing this that the firey trial that has tried us as if some strange thing has happened unto us. When Jesus told his deciples that they wouldbesalted withfire he truly meant it. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………..gene
Gene B.
Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mark 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
We all have our daily tribulation because of our faith.
But the great tribulation of the end is as mentioned below.Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
wakeup
Gene, once again….your post does not add up.
Why should God give us trials and tribulation and salt us with fire if in the end He makes us do His Will, regardless? What purpose is testing our faith if He can just make us do what He wants, and according to you, DOES make us do what He wants, anyway? With your conclusions about this subject, we either CANNOT fail our trials OR if we DO fall short, it’s nothing of our own doing – but rather it would be be”cause” that’s what God wanted to happen.
If you want to say that EVERYTHING happens because God wills it, that means our bad actions and failings are because of God, as well.
Is that what you believe, Gene?
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GrasshopperGrasshopper………simple because it makes us better, and as Sons of his we all need his despline. Has nothing to do with OUR WILL’S, BUT HIS WILL, THAT IS BEING DONE. Not yours or mine. IMO
What makes you think God need us to do our own freewills, instead of HIS WILL? WHat makes you think God wants us to give him permission to do his will in our lives? There is ONLY ONE WILL THAT WILL BE DONE and that is not YOUR WILL OR MY WILL, BUT God the fathers will. I personely am glad it’s that way, that makes HIM completely “SOVERIGN” IN ALL THINGS.
peace and love to you and yours………….gene
Wakeup…….OK, so whats your point, your trying to make in all of that?
peace and love to you and yours……….gene
Gene.
You are correct; silver will be melted also, but Note:
Ezekiel 22:18 Son of man, the house of Israel is to me become dross: all they are brass, and tin, and iron, and lead, in the midst of the furnace; they are even the dross of silver.THE DROSS OF THE SILVER.
The very elect, are as pure Gold.
wakeupHi WU,
The VERY ELECT?
You cannot be more elect than the ELECT.
One misunderstood kjv verse trips you up.
Wakeup, i believe we are now in tribulation, and some are experiencing great tribulation even to the loss of their lives. But yes i do believe in the great tribulation that is comming also, specally at the end of the 1000 year regin ofJESUS CHRIST AND THE SAINTS on this earth.
As Far as the dross of silver goes, all dross in metals are the “imperities locked in those metals, and when they are melted those impurities float to the top and are removed leaving the pure metal. The dross is not the metal but the impurities that are in the metal. That is the way i understand it.
peace and love to you and yours…………gene
Thank you Gene.
But do not ignore these words.Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
wakeup
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