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Quote (JustAskin @ April 26 2010,08:03) Gene, ((Small point… Have you considered the Trees were not literal Trees of which eating the fruit would cause death or life – that it was a test from God – that Man's ability to know good and evil was within their grasp but was not good for them to acquaint themselves with, that the secret to everlasting life is in the Holy Spirit which God hid from them after they sinned? – only a thought?))
JA….> A tree is a symbolic for that which produces from it self. Adam and Eve were being told not to EAT (take to themselves) that which Produces from SELF the knowledge of Good and Evil > The word Tree was used to symbolize Producing from Self. It all makes sense if you think about It.The Tree of Life, that which produces from Self Life, can also be given Man. Man was prevented from receiving that ability. By GOD because it became necessary to experience good and evil and die as a result but had they eaten of the tree of Life , they could not have died, as God said.
peace and love to you and your……………………..gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 26 2010,08:04) G,
Do you ask God to recreate you after you stop existing or before?
Nick………..If God does not recreate a body for you when you die you will never live again. Your life is in His Hands totally and completely. I ask GOD to have Mercy me and on ALL to forgive Us and heal us from all unrighteousness that HIS will be done on this earth as in Heaven.You still haven't answered my question to you what does the word (resurrection) means. Do you even believe in a resurrection might be a better question.
peace and love………………………………gene
GB,
It is written for men to die and then the judgement.[Heb9]
But you want to put AND NOT EXIST ANYMORE in there somewhere?Nick……….Your words are not scripturally supported, show were Souls are still alive when a persons Body parishes in the grave. All Israel will have a new Bodies and resurected , in fact all who are raised from the grave will have new bodies, or they could never be a living Soul again. There is no such thing as a Naked SOUL , Unless you are talking about those alive Now without the covering given by Christ Jesus. You have never produced any scripture that say Souls still exist without a body. You teachings are of the Mystery religion that believes you drift off into some never never land after death of you bodies, that is a false teaching.
I have posted where Jesus said plainly , “to have reverence to him who could DESTROY BOTH (meaning two things) Body and Soul , (where), IN THE GRAVE”. why do your seek to change what Jesus said , to meet your dogmas and false teachings?
peace and love…………………gene
GB,
Showing things in scripture to those who have discarded it as a foundation is useless…however.
Did you not read Lk16 or the description of souls under the altar?
The salvation of the soul is the plan of God.[1Peter]Nick………Souls under the alter is a metaphor for GOD intent to reconstruct them by a resurrection of the dead. Very much like the term in the Bosom of Abraham. Evidently you forgot to read the beginning of the Book or Revelations where it says the book was (SIGNIFIED) that means (SYMBOLIZED) We need to take the Symbols not as literial but in a symbolic form . Souls are not literally under any alter , when a man dies his thoughts Parish he is no longer a living soul. Dump the Mystery Religion you are hanging on to.
Nick you are so stuck on thinking everything is Literal in scripture you miss the understanding of what some scriptures are really saying. IMO
peace and love ………………………gene
G,
No one here believes you have a divine anointing to explain scripture in your words.
That would make you greater than scripture and the Spirit Who wrote it would it not?Gene Balthrop,
How do you interpret scripture that reports that the Witch of Endor summoned the soul of Samuel to speak to King Saul?
Kerwin………the Witch of Endor, did not summon the Soul of Samuel but his spirit, the spirit is not destroyed when a person dies it goes back to the one who gave it. To try to make it appear that the soul of a man is existing somewhere is not scripture Because scripture shows a soul goes the the grave and corrupts and no longer exists. There is only (TWO) components of a Person or SOUL, a BODY and SPIRIT. Both can be destroyed (IN) the GRAVE> If we are not resurected and given new bodies with spirit added back into them we will never again exist.
Psa 49:12…..> Nevertheless man being in honor abides not: he is like the beast that (PERISH).
Psa 49:14 Like Sheep they are laid in the grave; death shall feed on them; and the upright shall have dominion over the in the morning; and their beauty shall consume in the grave from their dwelling.
Psa 49:15….> But GOD will redeem my (SOUL) from the (POWER) of the (GRAVE): because He has recieved Me.The question here is How is GOD going to redeem my (SOUL) from the (POWER)of the GRAVE?, He is going to recreate a new Body a resurected ONE and add Spirit back into it and again I will become a LIVING SOUL.
Until that happens when we die we are in a PERISHED State.
Psa 49: 20………..> Man that is in honor. and understands not , is like the beast the PARISH.
Animals are living Soul also and when they die they parish and cease to exist. This can happen to man also He can Parish (IN) the GRAVE. As Jesus Said. The concept that your soul goes on living is a false teaching brought on by Mystery religions. IMO No one lives again after death unless there is a resurrection by GOD. IMO
peace and love………………..gene
Nick……The only thing that did exist of Samuel was the Spirit that was (IN) his Body and it went back to God who gave it in the first place, because Spirit can never die no matter where it is or who it is in. But as Him being a individual conscious (LIVING SOUL) NO , If this is not the case then Prove it from scripture that when a man dies His Soul continues to live. Had GOD left Jesus body in the grave He still would be dead and not conscious of anything to this day. But GOD did Not leave His Soul to corrupt in the grave, But raised His body and put his spirit back into it. And He became a living Soul again. No one is alive once they die, until they are resurected and given new bodies. Jesus was truly DEAD rather you believe it or not. There was (NO) life in him when he died, he had no recollection of anything while he was dead in that grave, not does anyone else. IMO
peace and love…………………..gene
Gene Balthrop,
There is some confusion here since the Hebrews sometimes used the same word to mean either soul or spirit and the context of the passage tells the difference. The problem here is that I am unsure what the soul is. I doubt it was spirit part of Samuel that the Witch summoned since I do not believe the spirit contains the identity of the individual. I believe the identity is contained in the soul.
Why do you believe it is the spirit part of Samuel?
Kerwin………Jesus told the disciples that every hair on their head was numbered, this can easily be done by retaining a persons DNA and GOD can easily reconstruct a Body by it. That Should not be difficult for our generation to understand. Scripture says Man became a (LIVING) Soul when the Breath or Spirit of GOD entered HIM. A Soul contains (BOTH) a BODY and SPIRIT in IT> A spirit of it self is useless and can animate nothing unless it is in a BODY of Some Kind. God who is pure SPIRIT lives vicariously (IN) his creation. All life has spirit in it or it simply could not live , rather animal of Man, both are living souls. Is the way i believe Scripture portrays it.
peace and love…………………gene
G,
I thought you would have to invent a recreation to cover your tracks.
Come back to the truth of scripture.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 29 2010,21:11) Kerwin………Jesus told the disciples that every hair on their head was numbered, this can easily be done by retaining a persons DNA and GOD can easily reconstruct a Body by it. That Should not be difficult for our generation to understand. Scripture says Man became a (LIVING) Soul when the Breath or Spirit of GOD entered HIM. A Soul contains (BOTH) a BODY and SPIRIT in IT> A spirit of it self is useless and can animate nothing unless it is in a BODY of Some Kind. God who is pure SPIRIT lives vicariously (IN) his creation. All life has spirit in it or it simply could not live , rather animal of Man, both are living souls. Is the way i believe Scripture portrays it. peace and love…………………gene
You assume that there is no such thing as a dead soul.The spirit God breathed into Adam was the breath of life.
The “spirit” of Samuel lacked the breath of life as Samuel was dead.
In other words Samuel lacked the spirit God breathed into Adam at the time the Witch of Endor summoned him.
Have you considered these things?
Kerwin………Wrong Samuels Spirit was still in existence. His Soul was dead He did not exist as a Soul any longer and will not untill he receives another Body and Spirit added back into IT. A soul = a body and spirit. A soul can not exist without both. IMO
peace and love…………………gene
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