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I am posting this here because i consider this to be a working hypothesis as I search for the truth. I am sure of most of what I state but I am not sure that what I describe is the soul. If someone knows any scripture that actually describes the nature of the soul then feel free to introduce it.
I am starting with a passage from Paul's letter to the Romans that I believe is speaking of souls as I believe a soul is the essential person.
Romans 9:21(NIV) reads:
Quote Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?
The next scripture is one of Jesus' own parables that is comparable to Paul's teaching I already addressed.
Matthew 13:24-26(NIV) reads:
Quote Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.
These two scriptures tell us their are two different basic types of souls. One of these types is addressed in the Sermon on the Mount.
Matthew 5:6(NIV) reads:
Quote Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.This is obviously speaking of those that are the children of God even if they are currently bound in servitude to Satan. The next scripture I address speaks of the children of the Devil.
John 3:19-20(NIV) reads:
Quote This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
Some seemed confused about the difference between the spirit and the soul. Paul describes such a conflict that he went through before knowing the salvation of Jesus.
Romans 7:21-25(NIV) reads:
Quote So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God—through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
In giving his children a new spirit God gives them a spirit that is not in conflict with their soul. On the other hand it would be in conflict with the soul of the children of Satan.
I do not believer a soul can be changed from being a common vessel to being a noble vessel. Instead Jesus taught in his parable that the children of Satan will be destroyed when the harvest comes.
Quote (kerwin @ April 22 2010,05:40) I am posting this here because i consider this to be a working hypothesis as I search for the truth. I am sure of most of what I state but I am not sure that what I describe is the soul. If someone knows any scripture that actually describes the nature of the soul then feel free to introduce it. I am starting with a passage from Paul's letter to the Romans that I believe is speaking of souls as I believe a soul is the essential person.
Romans 9:21(NIV) reads:
Quote Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?
The next scripture is one of Jesus' own parables that is comparable to Paul's teaching I already addressed.
Matthew 13:24-26(NIV) reads:
Quote Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.
These two scriptures tell us their are two different basic types of souls. One of these types is addressed in the Sermon on the Mount.
Matthew 5:6(NIV) reads:
Quote Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.This is obviously speaking of those that are the children of God even if they are currently bound in servitude to Satan. The next scripture I address speaks of the children of the Devil.
John 3:19-20(NIV) reads:
Quote This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
Some seemed confused about the difference between the spirit and the soul. Paul describes such a conflict that he went through before knowing the salvation of Jesus.
Romans 7:21-25(NIV) reads:
Quote So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God—through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
In giving his children a new spirit God gives them a spirit that is not in conflict with their soul. On the other hand it would be in conflict with the soul of the children of Satan.
I do not believer a soul can be changed from being a common vessel to being a noble vessel. Instead Jesus taught in his parable that the children of Satan will be destroyed when the harvest comes.
Hi Kerwin:Quote 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. The soul is the mind, the will, and emotions. Adam was a living soul or person. It is the spirit that gives life or death to the soul.
Jesus said the Words that he was speaking were spirit and they were life.
This is a walking dead person. They have no relationship with God, and therefore are walking in darkness. Their soul is dead to God.
Quote Colossians 2:13
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;Once they are born again, the unclean spirit is gone, and they are as new born babes in the body of Christ. Just as Adam was before he sinned.
Love in Christ,
MartyHi Kerwin:
When a baby is born into the world (this is not an arguement as to when life begins), the baby is a living person or soul. That baby has a mind, a will, and emotions.
The personality or character of the person is formed within him through what the person obeys. Jesus was said to be the express image of God's person, for example, and we see this through the works that he d id in obedience to God's Word.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Quote (kerwin @ April 22 2010,05:40) I am posting this here because i consider this to be a working hypothesis as I search for the truth. I am sure of most of what I state but I am not sure that what I describe is the soul. If someone knows any scripture that actually describes the nature of the soul then feel free to introduce it. I am starting with a passage from Paul's letter to the Romans that I believe is speaking of souls as I believe a soul is the essential person.
Romans 9:21(NIV) reads:
Quote Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?
The next scripture is one of Jesus' own parables that is comparable to Paul's teaching I already addressed.
Matthew 13:24-26(NIV) reads:
Quote Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.
These two scriptures tell us their are two different basic types of souls. One of these types is addressed in the Sermon on the Mount.
Matthew 5:6(NIV) reads:
Quote Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.This is obviously speaking of those that are the children of God even if they are currently bound in servitude to Satan. The next scripture I address speaks of the children of the Devil.
John 3:19-20(NIV) reads:
Quote This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
Some seemed confused about the difference between the spirit and the soul. Paul describes such a conflict that he went through before knowing the salvation of Jesus.
Romans 7:21-25(NIV) reads:
Quote So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God—through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
In giving his children a new spirit God gives them a spirit that is not in conflict with their soul. On the other hand it would be in conflict with the soul of the children of Satan.
I do not believer a soul can be changed from being a common vessel to being a noble vessel. Instead Jesus taught in his parable that the children of Satan will be destroyed when the harvest comes.
kerwinGen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Notice, God did not give man a soul, he became a soul, a living soul; the breath of God gave man live, nothing more.
Every living creature, birds, fish, beasts, “are” souls.
Soul at times is used synonymous with spirit, as Paul says, there is a spirit in man, 1 Cor. 2:11; that is what we call, mind. Paul calls it a “spirit” because it is the invisible part of us, just like a spirit being, you can't see them either.
When Jesus said, body and soul, and should be understood he meant, body/soul and spirit/mind.God has created all man equal, however, God can look into the future, he can see everybody's life before he is born, he knows how every one will turn out, good or bad. And God will use us for whatever purpose he chooses, the good for good, and the bad for bad; as Pharaoh for instance, God knew Pharaoh would resist him, and so he used him to demonstrate his powers.
Georg
Marty,
Overall I believe I agree all you say but one statement which I will adress.
Marty wrote:
Quote The soul is the mind, the will, and emotions.
This statement apears to disagree with the ideas about the soul and heart expressed in:
Deuteronomy 6:5(NIV) reads:
Quote Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.
From what I understand the heart is the center of emotion and the mind of intellect.
Parallel scriptures are:
Matthew 22:37 reads:
Quote Jesus replied: ” 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'
and
Mark 12:30 reads:
Quote Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'
and
Luke 10:27(NIV) reads:
Quote He answered: ” 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind' ; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' “
All seem to treat the soul, emotions, and mind as seperate.
Is “strength” the same as “will”?
Quote All seem to treat the soul, emotions, and mind as seperate Hey Kerwin,
Just a thought, if all that you mention are under him, then one is not seperated, for what is in the heart will portray through the mind, which in turn will show with our emotions/actions.
The text reads, it is the heart that is judged. Not the mind or soul.
Quote (kerwin @ April 23 2010,18:45) Marty, Overall I believe I agree all you say but one statement which I will adress.
Marty wrote:
Quote The soul is the mind, the will, and emotions.
This statement apears to disagree with the ideas about the soul and heart expressed in:
Deuteronomy 6:5(NIV) reads:
Quote Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.
From what I understand the heart is the center of emotion and the mind of intellect.
Parallel scriptures are:
Matthew 22:37 reads:
Quote Jesus replied: ” 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'
and
Mark 12:30 reads:
Quote Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'
and
Luke 10:27(NIV) reads:
Quote He answered: ” 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind' ; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' “
All seem to treat the soul, emotions, and mind as seperate.
Is “strength” the same as “will”?
Hi Kerwin:I just understand the scriptures that you quoted to mean that we are to Love God with all of our being.
The definition that I have given you for the soul is my understanding.
Also, relative to the soul and spirit, the following scripture may help us to understand:
Quote 1 Co. 15:45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Love in Christ,
MartyKerwin………..A Soul is a BODY + SPIRIT in it. Nothing more and nothing less. Jesus said do not fear him who cane kill the body and do nothing more, but fear Him who can destory (BOTH) two things , Body and Soul in HELL or two things mentioned there, if you check it out you will find the word soul mentioned there should be rendered SPIRIT, Another words A Body + Spirit = equals a (SOUL). both can be destroyed in the grave.Georg is right also when he said even animals and all creatures are living Souls. The contain a Body with Spirit in it.
Adam did not become a living Soul when His body was formed, he became a living Soul when Spirit was added into that Body. We are living Souls because we have both a BODY and SPIRIT in us.
I also agree that where it says we are to love God with all of our Heart , Soul, Mind, and Strength, is saying with all our BEING>
peace and love……………………..gene
GB,
The soul is the person. You are a living soul.
The body corrupts, the spirit returns to God and the SOUL remains.As 1Peter tells us the salvation of the SOUL is the plan of God.
Only those enlivened by the Spirit of God will be raised at the return of the Son of God. Like him the sons of the resurrection are alive eternally in that living Spirit.
NIck…………You are absolutely wrong, the SOUL is INDEED the PERSON and the PERSON INCLUDES a BODY with SPIRIT IN IT> That is what constitutes a living SOUL. You concept of a Soul continuing to live out side of a BODY is false. Jesus Plainly said a Soul could be destroyed (IN) the GRAVE. When a man dies His SOUL PARISHES in the Grave. He is no longer a living Soul. Notice where it say GOD would not leave Jesus' SOUL in the GRAVE and another place it say He would not suffer His SOUL to see corruption, that is, in the GRAVE. When Jesus died He was NOT a living SOUL again, until He was resurected and Reunited with His body, Then He became a LIVING SOUL again. No Soul exists without a BODY Except GOD who lives vicariously through His creation. IMO
peace and love……………………..gene
Nick……….It no longer exists, his thoughts have Perished He is dead< If GOD does not reconstruct Him a body and add spirit back into it, He will never again exist. God can destory (BOTH) Body and SPIRIT (IN) the GRAVE and if this happens the SOUL will no longer exist for ever. We are waiting for that resurrection, that gives us a New Body with Spirit of Life given by God back into it. Some will be Changed at the return of Jesus, there existing Bodies will simply be changed into a eternal existing one, as Jesus' was, but they will still have a body as Jesus still does.
The concept of the Soul still living after death is a false teaching . No Scripture that i know of say we are still alive after we die. Nor does it say a Soul is still existing .
peace and love……………………gene
Nick……..Right , as far as your concerned you have no future when you die, you thoughts (PARISH), YOU Do Not exist after you die, Except in the Hands of GOD there is (NO) Part of you remaining you are dead. But GOD can reconstruct a body and cause life to enter back into it and you will again live. But until that happens if you die you are dead, completely dead. No one can deliver himself from that state ever, Only GOD can recreate Him again, Go read Ezekiel and the valley of the dead bones and maybe you can understand what has to happen to the dead in order for them to live again, it is the the same with all human beings. When Adam and Eve are resurected they will no even know they were dead for 7000 years Nor will King David Know He has been dead for 3000 thousand years or so, time ceases to pass in you mind when you die, everything cease to exist. It is a false teaching that you still are alive and in some state of suspension in the grave. No you are gone completely in the grave, nothing remains of you. ONLY GOD can reconstruct YOU and ADD SPIRIT BACK INTO a NEW CONSTRUCTED BODY> and you become a living Soul again. Jesus was(NOT) a living Soul when He was in the Grave and did not become one again until his resurrection, the same with us. It plainly say God would not leave his SOUL in the GRAVE to SEE Corruption. His Soul was not in the Grave long enough to see Corruption, but the rest of humanity how have died do see corruption of their Souls in the grave.
As far as Spirit goes it can not die (EVER) because it existed forever, Spirit is (Thoughts which makes up our INTELLECTS) it can not ever die , these thoughts are recieved from a source that has always existed like a giant lake of water and some of it poured into our BODIES which contain it, and it is what animates our minds and Bodies it is the life of the Body. When we die it simply goes back to it source and the body goes to the grave and the person no longer exists except in the mind of God. The confusion comes in when we think we all have a spirit that comes from ourselves, this is not true , we all recieve Spirit into US and it can come in and out of a Body Spirit is not Just unique to any one it is what life is . All Spirit that exists or ever existed always existed we simple recieve from it. It can not die it is what life is, now and for ever, it goes back to its source at death. We no longer exist we are in a Perished state. God the Father is the ONLY one Who can Bring Us back into existence again and if He does not we simply would never exist again. The end of Us is the Grave. Now if you want to fear GOD just think about that > Our very life thread is in (only) in the Hand of GOD alone. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene
All,
When Jesus was born a man, did he have a recollection of his life before becoming a man?
When Jesus was raised from the dead, did he have a recollection of his life before he died?
When we are raised from the dead at the [Ressurrection] *edited (one or two) will we have a recollection of our life before we died?
JustAskin'JA……..I believe we will. Those who loved not their lives unto death will be in the First resurrection. It say “for these loved (NOT) their Lives unto death”. You contain Spirit (intellect) When you die it goes back to the one who gave it. You as a SOUL or Person cease to exist, Because you cannot exist with out a BODY> GOD Must first resurrect a Body for you to recieve Spirit your back into and you will again become a living SOUL. Those who come up in the second resurrection can have their new bodies destroyed in the GRAVE again or Be given eternal bodies that never die, like Jesus and the Saints Have. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene
Nick………You need to pay better attention to what is said , where did i say I ask GOD to recreate me to face Judgment , I ask GOD to recreate Me with a eternal existing Body as Jesus Has and Live for ever with HIM. Adam could has lived for ever in their flesh bodies had they eaten of the tree of LIFE that was in the middle of the Garden of GOD. Jesus' Soul was not left to see corruption as all else are, He was resurected with His Body and ascended into Heave with It also and will descend with it also as scripture say he will. He plainly said he was Not a Spirit, because spirit does not have flesh and Bone as he said He had.
Nick …… do you understand what the word (RESURRECTION) MEANS?
peace and love……………………….gene
Gene,
((Small point… Have you considered the Trees were not literal Trees of which eating the fruit would cause death or life – that it was a test from God – that Man's ability to know good and evil was within their grasp but was not good for them to acquaint themselves with, that the secret to everlasting life is in the Holy Spirit which God hid from them after they sinned? – only a thought?))
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