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Quote (berean2005 @ June 08 2005,06:46) Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ: I am a former Roman Catholic, and I am now non-denominational. I now believe all disciples of Christ are 'free' to study Scripture Alone, and not follow any traditions and doctrines from men. We must be like little 'infants'.
Something that I have spent much time studying is what Scripture, and Scripture Alone, teaches the punishment for sin is.
I have come to understand that the punishment for sin is death.
The chaff will be burned up….really.
The wages of sin is death…..really.
The lake of burning fire and sulfur is the Second Death….really.
The wicked shall perish…..really.
Rome denies that the wicked will perish. Rome does not believe there is any such thing as death.
Death, according to Scripture, means the end of life.
God has the power to give life, and God has the power to end life.
The Gospel is all about LIFE and DEATH.
All men who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake to stand at the Judgment.
Those in Christ will receive eternal life.
Those who have rejected Christ will perish. They will suffer the Second Death and NEVER be resurrected again….ever.
I have concluded that the punishment for sin is death.
I wanted to ask if other fellow Christians have come to realize the same. The Romish doctrine of eternal torture is a man created pagan teaching. It is a lie.
In Jesus,
Berean2005
berean2005You have done well in your studies, I too used to be a Catholic.
Georg
Quote (berean2005 @ June 11 2005,06:10) Death really means death. “You shall not surely die” is a lie fom the father of lies.
Psalm 145:20
20Yahweh preserves all those who love him, But all the wicked he will destroy.When God says the punishment is death, He really means the punishment is death.
Luke 13:1-5
1Now there were some present at the same time who told him about the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. 2Jesus answered them, “Do you think that these Galilaeans were worse sinners than all the other Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? 3I tell you, no, but, unless you repent, you will all perish in the same way. 4Or those eighteen, on whom the tower in Siloam fell, and killed them; do you think that they were worse offenders than all the men who dwell in Jerusalem? 5I tell you, no, but, unless you repent, you will all perish in the same way.”Jesus says unless you repent, you will all perish. You will perish in the same way as having your blood poured out. You will perish in the same way as being crushed by a falling tower. Jesus is teaching the people, unless you repent of your sins, you will die. The punishment for sin is death.
I used to be Roman Catholic. I know how hard it is the break from the Roman teaching. Rome has 'twisted' the word 'death' to mean 'life'. Rome teaches the wicked shall never perish. Rome teaches the wicked shall live forever as they are brutally tortured by God for all eternity. This is what we are taught from the time we are tiny little children. It is very hard to break away from.
Our only hope is to say to God, “I don't know anything, teach me.” And proceed to conduct a 'Scripture Alone' and 'In Context' study on this and all subjects.
If we 'cling' to a certain doctrine, and search the Bible for 'proof texts' to support that doctrine, I guess we can find verses that we can take out of context to support whatever we wish.
God has the power to create life.
God has the power to end life.
There is no immortality apart from the Lord Jesus Christ.
God sets before us LIFE and DEATH. Choose life.
In Jesus,
Berean2005
berean2005You are like a breath of fresh air.
Georg
Quote (berean2005 @ June 12 2005,08:31) Hi Nick, I don't understand your last response at all.
Regarding the question, “What is the wages of sin?”
Is the wages of sin:
1) To be brutally tortured by God for all eternity (the Roman eternal torture doctrine)
2) To be sentenced to solitary confinement for all eternity in a dark dungeon (the 'modern day' eternal separation doctrine)
3) Death
What is the wages of sin? 1, 2, or 3 ?
In Jesus,
Berean2005
berean2005A friendly not to the newcomer, don't ask Nick any question.
It's 3.
Georg
terraricca
No it's not, it's a joke between Nick and myself.
What I think is even funnier, is, that my wife made me aware of the fact that I replied to a 5 year old post.
Georg
hi georg
i use to be a joker my self many years ago,wen i start to study the scriptures i was amased that i did not find one single funny thing in Gods word ,and start to realise who important is word was.to me anyway.
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 09 2009,12:08) hi georg
i use to be a joker my self many years ago,wen i start to study the scriptures i was amased that i did not find one single funny thing in Gods word ,and start to realise who important is word was.to me anyway.
I do not know about humor but Paul gets sarcastic from time to time. Still, I doubt humor bothers God.Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 10 2009,03:05) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 09 2009,12:08) hi georg
i use to be a joker my self many years ago,wen i start to study the scriptures i was amased that i did not find one single funny thing in Gods word ,and start to realise who important is word was.to me anyway.
I do not know about humor but Paul gets sarcastic from time to time. Still, I doubt humor bothers God.
I got humor.Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 10 2009,17:24) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 10 2009,03:05) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 09 2009,12:08) hi georg
i use to be a joker my self many years ago,wen i start to study the scriptures i was amased that i did not find one single funny thing in Gods word ,and start to realise who important is word was.to me anyway.
I do not know about humor but Paul gets sarcastic from time to time. Still, I doubt humor bothers God.
I got humor.
I may be wrong because I believe there was a prophet who ridiculed the priests of Baal. I also believe ridicule can sometimes be a powerful teaching tool.the punishment for sin from adam was eternal death.
however jesus made it forgiveable to god and we have a way for god's eternal life now by followig jesus's example
hi all
humour is related more to the human race,the reasons it is used could varie.
as for the prophet dealling with the false prophete of baal,this ended in 400 deads of the false prophetes i dont find this “ridicule”Quote (berean2005 @ June 08 2005,06:46) Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ: I am a former Roman Catholic, and I am now non-denominational. I now believe all disciples of Christ are 'free' to study Scripture Alone, and not follow any traditions and doctrines from men. We must be like little 'infants'.
Something that I have spent much time studying is what Scripture, and Scripture Alone, teaches the punishment for sin is.
I have come to understand that the punishment for sin is death.
The chaff will be burned up….really.
The wages of sin is death…..really.
The lake of burning fire and sulfur is the Second Death….really.
The wicked shall perish…..really.
Rome denies that the wicked will perish. Rome does not believe there is any such thing as death.
Death, according to Scripture, means the end of life.
God has the power to give life, and God has the power to end life.
The Gospel is all about LIFE and DEATH.
All men who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake to stand at the Judgment.
Those in Christ will receive eternal life.
Those who have rejected Christ will perish. They will suffer the Second Death and NEVER be resurrected again….ever.
I have concluded that the punishment for sin is death.
I wanted to ask if other fellow Christians have come to realize the same. The Romish doctrine of eternal torture is a man created pagan teaching. It is a lie.
In Jesus,
Berean2005
Do you all see when this was posted?? look by the quote on top.
I did not realise that at first, that's what I thought was so funny, the “berean” is not even around any more.
And you all made a topic out of “fun”.
Georg
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 12 2009,03:36) hi all
humour is related more to the human race,the reasons it is used could varie.
as for the prophet dealling with the false prophete of baal,this ended in 400 deads of the false prophetes i dont find this “ridicule”
Maybe it is the male in me to see humor in the way Elijah taunted the prophets of Baal for their god's inability to accomplice a miracle. The fact he later had them put to death is irrelevant.Humor can be used as an act of love. In making fun of the impotence of evil Elijah served good. In the end humor is a tool and can like other tools be misused.
To all………..look at nature and you will see humor also. The hidden attributes of GOD are seen by the things he created. God has humor, even Jesus has humor , remember when Nathan said how can any good come from Nazareth, Jesus responded and Isrealite indeed in who's mouth is not guile, he was humorously agreeing with Nathan. Humor is a wonderful tool for friendship, as lone as it is not something hurtful to anyone. IMO
peace and love to you all………………gene
hi all
sorry i dont see it that way ,at no point jesus find it funny the ignorance of his apostels,and i dont find it funny wen people dont have the truth, it is sad because it could mean there lost of live ,the way christ cryed out on jeruselem,you can debate for ever ,the point remains that God through christ gives live,for this i rejoyed,the sad side of it the ones who dont believe dies but there still some time
so lets be constructif
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