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Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2014,03:18) Quote (Wakeup @ June 14 2014,15:55) Quote (kerwin @ June 15 2014,05:05)
Wakeup,All are born by the will of God without him none are born.
Kerwin.It is mum and dad who decides, when to start
a family. Not God.
They have the freedom to make that choice.We are not born by the will of God.
God has provided us with the ability to reproduce.
And we make that choice.wakeup.
John 1
12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
The above scripture seems to support what Wakeup is saying, Kerwin.
Any person born by the will of the flesh;and is in Christ,
will be born by the will of God in the resurrection.
They will be the children of God.
The abominable non believers,will be destroyed.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 15 2014,15:47) The abominable non believers,will be destroyed.
But not the abominable snowman, right?
(Just having some fun with your choice of words.
)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2014,09:01) Quote (Wakeup @ June 15 2014,15:47) The abominable non believers,will be destroyed.
But not the abominable snowman, right?(Just having some fun with your choice of words.
)
That is fine to have a sense of humour.
Anyone that works evil is abominable to God.
Worshipping the works of man hands, instead
of worshipping God is abominable to God.wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 15 2014,22:18) Quote (Wakeup @ June 14 2014,15:55) Quote (kerwin @ June 15 2014,05:05)
Wakeup,All are born by the will of God without him none are born.
Kerwin.It is mum and dad who decides, when to start
a family. Not God.
They have the freedom to make that choice.We are not born by the will of God.
God has provided us with the ability to reproduce.
And we make that choice.wakeup.
John 1
12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
The above scripture seems to support what Wakeup is saying, Kerwin.
Mike,Wakeup is using will of God in a different sense than those that are born of the light. If I understand him correctly then he is attempting to make the case that Jesus was physically born by God's decision. None of us are born unless God decides we will be. The will of a man does not trump God's will unless God wills it. If he is speaking born of the Holy Spirit then it is a whole different thing.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 15 2014,22:14) Quote (kerwin @ June 14 2014,12:05) John the Baptist was sent from above and yet the least of those in the kingdom is greater than him.
Scripture?
Mike,John 1:6
Quote (kerwin @ June 16 2014,17:20) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 15 2014,22:14) Quote (kerwin @ June 14 2014,12:05) John the Baptist was sent from above and yet the least of those in the kingdom is greater than him.
Scripture?
Mike,John 1:6
Elizabeth was barren, and God had opened her womb.Luke 1:7 And they had no child, because that Elisabeth was barren, and they both were now well stricken in years.
God had an intervention in his birth.
And Jesus birth also.
God is from above.This does not happen to all of us.
wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ June 16 2014,12:20) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 15 2014,22:14) Quote (kerwin @ June 14 2014,12:05) John the Baptist was sent from above and yet the least of those in the kingdom is greater than him.
Scripture?
Mike,John 1:6
kJn 1:33 I would not have known him, except thatTHE ONE who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is he who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’
Jn 1:34 I have seen and I testify that this is the Son of God.”Quote (Wakeup @ June 16 2014,16:52) Quote (kerwin @ June 16 2014,17:20) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 15 2014,22:14) Quote (kerwin @ June 14 2014,12:05) John the Baptist was sent from above and yet the least of those in the kingdom is greater than him.
Scripture?
Mike,John 1:6
Elizabeth was barren, and God had opened her womb.Luke 1:7 And they had no child, because that Elisabeth was barren, and they both were now well stricken in years.
God had an intervention in his birth.
And Jesus birth also.
God is from above.This does not happen to all of us.
wakeup.
Wakeup,God forms each and every one of us in our mother's wombs and breath's the breath of life into us, one and all. God is all powerful, as not a pigeon drops from the sky that he does not will. He either does it or allows it to happen and when it happens it happens by the power that he has given to others in the hopes they use it wisely or by him directly by use of his Spirit.
Quote (terraricca @ June 16 2014,20:15) Quote (kerwin @ June 16 2014,12:20) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 15 2014,22:14) Quote (kerwin @ June 14 2014,12:05) John the Baptist was sent from above and yet the least of those in the kingdom is greater than him.
Scripture?
Mike,John 1:6
kJn 1:33 I would not have known him, except thatTHE ONE who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is he who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’
Jn 1:34 I have seen and I testify that this is the Son of God.”
T,Yes, John was sent from above for God is above. He came from above for he came from God, who is above. He did not come from the world as he was not a messenger of this world.
Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2014,06:55) Quote (Wakeup @ June 16 2014,16:52) Quote (kerwin @ June 16 2014,17:20) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 15 2014,22:14) Quote (kerwin @ June 14 2014,12:05) John the Baptist was sent from above and yet the least of those in the kingdom is greater than him.
Scripture?
Mike,John 1:6
Elizabeth was barren, and God had opened her womb.Luke 1:7 And they had no child, because that Elisabeth was barren, and they both were now well stricken in years.
God had an intervention in his birth.
And Jesus birth also.
God is from above.This does not happen to all of us.
wakeup.
Wakeup,God forms each and every one of us in our mother's wombs and breath's the breath of life into us, one and all. God is all powerful, as not a pigeon drops from the sky that he does not will. He either does it or allows it to happen and when it happens it happens by the power that he has given to others in the hopes they use it wisely or by him directly by use of his Spirit.
Kerwin.Galatians 4:23
***But he who was of the bondwoman was born*** ***after the flesh***;
***but he of the freewoman was **by promise***.Zechariah 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; **and he shall grow up out of his place**, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:
He was born by the will of God'; to carry out a purpose.
wakeup.
wakeup.
Wakeup,
Quote Galatians 4:23
***But he who was of the bondwoman was born*** ***after the flesh***;
***but he of the freewoman was **by promise***.Isaac was the child of the promise but he was also born of the flesh. Being born of the promise of God is more important that being born of the flesh and so Isaac was called the one and only son of Abraham even though Ismael was also his son, as of the flesh.
Both were also conceived of Abraham, as of the will of God, though God only promised the birth of Isaac.
Wakeup,
Quote Zechariah 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; **and he shall grow up out of his place**, and he shall build the temple of the LORD: He was born by the will of God'; to carry out a purpose.
Yes, so are we all conceived though the purpose we serve in God's plan depends on the choices we make. For example Judas was born for the purpose of betraying Jesus for thirty pieces of silver.
Quote (kerwin @ June 16 2014,00:16) None of us are born unless God decides we will be. The will of a man does not trump God's will unless God wills it.
Agreed.Quote (kerwin @ June 16 2014,00:20) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 15 2014,22:14) Quote (kerwin @ June 14 2014,12:05) John the Baptist was sent from above and yet the least of those in the kingdom is greater than him.
Scripture?
Mike,John 1:6
That scripture doesn't say what you claimed it does, Kerwin.Being sent by (or “from”) God doesn't mean “sent from above”. Nathan the prophet was sent to David “from” (or “by”) God after David sinned concerning Bathsheba and Uriah, right? It doesn't mean Nathan was “sent from above” – does it?
Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2014,03:30) Wakeup, Quote Galatians 4:23
***But he who was of the bondwoman was born*** ***after the flesh***;
***but he of the freewoman was **by promise***.Isaac was the child of the promise but he was also born of the flesh. Being born of the promise of God is more important that being born of the flesh and so Isaac was called the one and only son of Abraham even though Ismael was also his son, as of the flesh.
Both were also conceived of Abraham, as of the will of God, though God only promised the birth of Isaac.
Kso in your understanding we all born by the will of God ;
but it says that we are born by the will of men ,(mom and dad ) want a kid ,
but all men are born through God's arrangement for that purpose (to conceive children) but God does not decide for us how many kid we will or can have ,
you say; Both were also conceived of Abraham, as of the will of God, though God only promised the birth of Isaac.
how you come to the conclusion that the slave kid was was conceived by the will of God
Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2014,02:04) Quote (terraricca @ June 16 2014,20:15) Quote (kerwin @ June 16 2014,12:20) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 15 2014,22:14) Quote (kerwin @ June 14 2014,12:05) John the Baptist was sent from above and yet the least of those in the kingdom is greater than him.
Scripture?
Mike,John 1:6
kJn 1:33 I would not have known him, except thatTHE ONE who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is he who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’
Jn 1:34 I have seen and I testify that this is the Son of God.”
T,Yes, John was sent from above for God is above. He came from above for he came from God, who is above. He did not come from the world as he was not a messenger of this world.
Kno,no, John said himself that he received knowledge to look forward to it so he may recognized the ONE THAT COMES AFTER HIM AND THAT IS GREATER THAN HIM ,
SO THAT SOMEONE WHO TOLD HIM WAS ON EARTH
i THINK SO ;BECAUSE THE SCRIPTURES TELLS US THAT HE NEVER LEFT THE EARTH NOR Israel ,
IN MY OPINION i WOULD NOT BE SURPRISE IF IT WAS JESUS HIMSELF THAT TOLD HIM ,
Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2014,08:34) Wakeup, Quote Zechariah 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; **and he shall grow up out of his place**, and he shall build the temple of the LORD: He was born by the will of God'; to carry out a purpose.
Yes, so are we all conceived though the purpose we serve in God's plan depends on the choices we make. For example Judas was born for the purpose of betraying Jesus for thirty pieces of silver.
Kerwin.What about them all born before the flood? Were they all born by the will of God?
If Judas was born for a certain purpose;to do a job?
Than he is not guilty,because he served that purpose.
He has done his job well.
Then; that will count for every born human on this planet.
Non will be guilty,for all has/will serve God's purpose.Can you see,and will you explain?
wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2014,05:02) Quote (kerwin @ June 16 2014,00:20) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 15 2014,22:14) Quote (kerwin @ June 14 2014,12:05) John the Baptist was sent from above and yet the least of those in the kingdom is greater than him.
Scripture?
Mike,John 1:6
That scripture doesn't say what you claimed it does, Kerwin.Being sent by (or “from”) God doesn't mean “sent from above”. Nathan the prophet was sent to David “from” (or “by”) God after David sinned concerning Bathsheba and Uriah, right? It doesn't mean Nathan was “sent from above” – does it?
Mike,God's throne is in heaven and so above, God, heaven and perhaps others can be used in place of one another and yet mean the same thing.
Nathan was sent from above because God sent him. He was not sent from this world because is message was from above and not of this world.
Quote (terraricca @ June 17 2014,05:11) Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2014,03:30) Wakeup, Quote Galatians 4:23
***But he who was of the bondwoman was born*** ***after the flesh***;
***but he of the freewoman was **by promise***.Isaac was the child of the promise but he was also born of the flesh. Being born of the promise of God is more important that being born of the flesh and so Isaac was called the one and only son of Abraham even though Ismael was also his son, as of the flesh.
Both were also conceived of Abraham, as of the will of God, though God only promised the birth of Isaac.
Kso in your understanding we all born by the will of God ;
but it says that we are born by the will of men ,(mom and dad ) want a kid ,
but all men are born through God's arrangement for that purpose (to conceive children) but God does not decide for us how many kid we will or can have ,
you say; Both were also conceived of Abraham, as of the will of God, though God only promised the birth of Isaac.
how you come to the conclusion that the slave kid was was conceived by the will of God
T,Why do you think God does not decide how many children we have when their are woman that want more children than they have but do not have them no matter how they try.
It is written:
Matthew 10:29
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)29 `Are not two sparrows sold for an assar? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father;
If a sparrow cannot die with God's will then a human cannot be conceived without his will.
and this answers you question about man's will.
Proverbs 19:21
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)21 Many [are] the purposes in a man's heart, And the counsel of Jehovah it standeth.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 17 2014,11:15) Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2014,08:34) Wakeup, Quote Zechariah 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; **and he shall grow up out of his place**, and he shall build the temple of the LORD: He was born by the will of God'; to carry out a purpose.
Yes, so are we all conceived though the purpose we serve in God's plan depends on the choices we make. For example Judas was born for the purpose of betraying Jesus for thirty pieces of silver.
Kerwin.What about them all born before the flood? Were they all born by the will of God?
If Judas was born for a certain purpose;to do a job?
Than he is not guilty,because he served that purpose.
He has done his job well.
Then; that will count for every born human on this planet.
Non will be guilty,for all has/will serve God's purpose.Can you see,and will you explain?
wakeup.
Wakeup,You are confusing God's will with God's approval. God did not approve of Satan's actions against Job and his but the happened because it was his will. He could have told Satan no but he saw a righteous need to test Job and perhaps other righteous things and so by God's will Satan was unleashed in Job's live though God still limited his actions.
In the AV of KJV Jesus calls Judas”the son of perdition” and the coming of Judas was foretold when Zechariah broke the two staffs as it is written:
Zechariah 11:12-13
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)12 And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver. 13 And the Lord said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the Lord.
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