What God cannot do

[NickHassan]

Hi TT,
So the outpouring of the Spirit of Christ was not the new covenant in the blood of Jesus.
Rather the knocking down of some old buildings?

[942767]

Hi:

I haven't gone through and read all of this discussion, and so, I don't know whether or not the following scripture has already been posted:

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Num 23:19 God [is] not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do [it]? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Love in Christ,
Marty

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 26 2009,04:59)

Quote (Gene @ Feb. 26 2009,04:40) Thinker……….Think about where God told Cain, sin lies at you door (heart) , You must MASTER IT. Jesus through the Power of GOD Mastered SIN, Just as we also must. What kind of example would Jesus be for us if He did not really overcome Sin. For He was (tempted) in all manor as we are and yet without sin. But GOD can not be (tempted by sin) right?. Gene, For me the mastering of sin involves my learning how to stop from sinning. Are you saying that Jesus was like me in that He had to learn how to stop sinning? You're blowing my mind! thinker

Thinker………Rev 3:21…> To him that overcomes will i grant to sit with me in my throne, (EVEN AS I ALSO) overcame, and am set down with my Fate]her in his throne. Here Jesus show we are to overcome even as He did. Jesus did overcome Sin and we must also, The same way. IMO

love and peace to you and yours……………………gene

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2009,13:38)

Hi TT, So the outpouring of the Spirit of Christ was not the new covenant in the blood of Jesus. Rather the knocking down of some old buildings?

Nick,
The knocking down of buildings was only the “sign” that was given the first century saints that the new covenant had arrived. It showed that Jesus completed His intercessory work in the heavebnly tabernacle.

For example, the renting of the veil was only the sign that Jesus gained free access into the Holy of Holies. It was His death that actually accomplished it. So it was Christ's completed intercession that finished the atonement. The destruction of the temple was only the sign that God gave them so they would know.

The Holy Spirit was poured out on the day of Pentecost was an OLD covenant feast.

thinker

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Gene @ Feb. 26 2009,16:30)

Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 26 2009,04:59) Quote (Gene @ Feb. 26 2009,04:40) Thinker……….Think about where God told Cain, sin lies at you door (heart) , You must MASTER IT. Jesus through the Power of GOD Mastered SIN, Just as we also must. What kind of example would Jesus be for us if He did not really overcome Sin. For He was (tempted) in all manor as we are and yet without sin. But GOD can not be (tempted by sin) right?. Gene, For me the mastering of sin involves my learning how to stop from sinning. Are you saying that Jesus was like me in that He had to learn how to stop sinning? You're blowing my mind! thinker Thinker………Rev 3:21…> To him that overcomes will i grant to sit with me in my throne, (EVEN AS I ALSO)  overcame, and am set down with my Fate]her in his throne. Here Jesus show we are to overcome even as He did. Jesus did overcome Sin and we must also…. Jesus had no sin. He never sinned. He was without sin. he knew no sin (2 Corinthians 5:210 Quote For He has made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him thinker

Gene,
First, I have already given you my understanding of what overcoming means in Revelation. That had to do with their overcoming the enemies of the Gospel by the word of their testimony.

Second, Jesus never sinned. He knew no sin,

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For he has made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him (2 Coritnhians 5:17)

Again, you're blowing my mind with what appears to be the suggestion that Jesus at one time had sin and then learned to overcome it.

thinker

[KangarooJack]

Nick erroneously said:

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If Jesus was not just like us we cannot follow him.

Nick,
The Word of God does not say that Jesus had to be exactly like us. It says just the opposite. It says that He was separate from us,

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For such a High Priest is FITTING for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, SEPARATE from sinners…. (Hebrews 7:26)

You say that a man just like us is “fitting” for us. But God said that a man separate from us is “fitting” to be our High Priest.

The Bible says only that Jesus was tempted like us. From this you infer too much. You can't infer because you believe that inference “has no place with the sacred.”

thinker

[NickHassan]

Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 26 2009,20:14)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2009,13:38) Hi TT, So the outpouring of the Spirit of Christ was not the new covenant in the blood of Jesus. Rather the knocking down of some old buildings? Nick, The knocking down of buildings was only the “sign” that was given the first century saints that the new covenant had arrived. It showed that Jesus completed His intercessory work in the heavebnly tabernacle. For example, the renting of the veil was only the sign that Jesus gained free access into the Holy of Holies. It was His death that actually accomplished it. So it was Christ's completed intercession that finished the atonement. The destruction of the temple was only the sign that God gave them so they would know. The Holy Spirit was poured out on the day of Pentecost was an OLD covenant feast. thinker

Hi TT,
So it had arrived
at Pentecost.

[NickHassan]

Hi TT,
High priests are taken from among MEN.
So where in where it is written as TEMPTED is the inference?

[NickHassan]

Hi tT,
Are not men born into the dominion of darkness?

Ephesians 5:8
For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

Colossians 1:13
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Was Paul unique when he said sin lived in him?[rom7]

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 27 2009,05:50)

Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 26 2009,20:14) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2009,13:38) Hi TT, So the outpouring of the Spirit of Christ was not the new covenant in the blood of Jesus. Rather the knocking down of some old buildings? Nick, The knocking down of buildings was only the “sign” that was given the first century saints that the new covenant had arrived. It showed that Jesus completed His intercessory work in the heavebnly tabernacle. For example, the renting of the veil was only the sign that Jesus gained free access into the Holy of Holies. It was His death that actually accomplished it. So it was Christ's completed intercession that finished the atonement. The destruction of the temple was only the sign that God gave them so they would know. The Holy Spirit was poured out on the day of Pentecost was an OLD covenant feast. thinker Hi TT, So it had arrived at Pentecost.

Nick,
How is it that you manage to twist my words. I said that the Spirit was poured out on the day of Pentecost which was an old covenant feast. therefore, the pouring out of the Spirit was an old covenant phenomenon.

thinker

[NickHassan]

Hi TT,
No the new enlivens the prophetic nature of the old.

[Corinthian]

…….. For instance, Jesus knew that Satan was taking God's promise to protect Him out of context. He knew that if He tempted God by jumping off the pinnacle of the temple that it would result in SPLAT and that the cleaning crews would have to come and scrape Him off the court. For Jesus to act on what satan said would infer that He first be deceived.

The same is true about satan's offering Him the kingdoms of the world. The kingdoms of the world were not satan's to give. Jesus knew this. So for Jesus to desire to kingship other than by crucifixion implies that He would first be duped.

thinker[/quote]

I “think” ( as opposed to “know for certain”) Satan did have the kingdoms of the earth to offer, just as he does today. Certainly Jesus did not correct Satan on the his idea that he could offer earthly kingdoms to Jesus. Before the fall, dominion of the earth belonged to Adam per God's gift. This dominion was lost to Satan at the fall.

True, all of this is a delegated authority, allowed by God, who is the real one in charge. But Satan has the authority, at least until Jesus returns ( Oh, boy, here we go! LOL!)

I'm also not sure that Jesus would have gone “splat”, any more than he needed to worry about drowning in the Sea of Galilee during the storms. Thus He could nap when every one else was terrified, and could later approach them in another storm as He walked on the water.

[NickHassan]

Hi C,
He just would not be obeying any command of God in so doing and so testing God.

He always did what he saw the Father doing

[KangarooJack]

Corinthian said:

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“think” ( as opposed to “know for certain”) Satan did have the kingdoms of the earth to offer, just as he does today. Certainly Jesus did not correct Satan on the his idea that he could offer earthly kingdoms to Jesus. Before the fall, dominion of the earth belonged to Adam per God's gift. This dominion was lost to Satan at the fall. True, all of this is a delegated authority, allowed by God, who is the real one in charge. But Satan has the authority, at least until Jesus returns ( Oh, boy, here we go! LOL!) I'm also not sure that Jesus would have gone “splat”, any more than he needed to worry about drowning in the Sea of Galilee during the storms. Thus He could nap when every one else was terrified, and could later approach them in another storm as He walked on the water.

Corinthian,
I doubt that satan had the real authority to offer the kingdoms of the world. You have to remember that satan was a liar and so he should not be believed. But I will consider it because he was called the “god of this age” (the “age” of the first Christians). I think that Jesus would have indeed gone “splat” if He had taken the plunge from the pinnacle of the temple. The promise of God's protection did not apply if He tempted God. The miracles He did were always in conjunction with what He saw the Father working. Therefore, He did not need to fear when walking on the water. But to throw Himself from the pinnacle of the temple when the Father was not doing it necessarily would have resulted in “splat.”

thinker

[KangarooJack]

To all,
Brother Corinthian is an old friend of mine from another discussion board that has since closed. I am very happy to see him here though we are on extreme opposite sides of the Eschatological spectrum. He is a master at defending His eschatology. I'm sure we both have gotten better since we last put on the gloves.

thinker

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