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Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 20 2013,00:04) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2013,13:37) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 19 2013,13:24) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2013,13:03) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,12:25) Amen Gene.
and “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.”
Think again,Jesus disappear this mean become invisible to the naked eye,
And so it is in this we that he will come back,
But the effect of his return will be seen by all,
This is why he ad given signs of his return ,things you would not need if we could literally see him coming back,
Christ will never come back as a human ,never
T,We shall see the Son of humanity coming in the clouds.
Can you see anyone on a cloud ,???It was the clouds that took him away in that same cloud he be back
We won't see him back nor in the flesh.read the scriptures
T,Matthew 24:30, Matthew 26:64, Mark 13:26, Mark 14:62, and Luke 21:27 state that the Son of humanity comes in the clouds.
Kyou need more thinking on this one ,
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 20 2013,00:10) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 20 2013,00:04) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2013,13:37) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 19 2013,13:24) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2013,13:03) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,12:25) Amen Gene.
and “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.”
Think again,Jesus disappear this mean become invisible to the naked eye,
And so it is in this we that he will come back,
But the effect of his return will be seen by all,
This is why he ad given signs of his return ,things you would not need if we could literally see him coming back,
Christ will never come back as a human ,never
T,We shall see the Son of humanity coming in the clouds.
Can you see anyone on a cloud ,???It was the clouds that took him away in that same cloud he be back
We won't see him back nor in the flesh.read the scriptures
T,Matthew 24:30, Matthew 26:64, Mark 13:26, Mark 14:62, and Luke 21:27 state that the Son of humanity comes in the clouds.
Kyou need more thinking on this one ,
T,Jesus is the Son of humanity, as of the flesh since he is the Son of David, as of the flesh; Romans 1:3.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 20 2013,05:15) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 20 2013,00:10) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 20 2013,00:04) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2013,13:37) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 19 2013,13:24) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2013,13:03) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,12:25) Amen Gene.
and “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.”
Think again,Jesus disappear this mean become invisible to the naked eye,
And so it is in this we that he will come back,
But the effect of his return will be seen by all,
This is why he ad given signs of his return ,things you would not need if we could literally see him coming back,
Christ will never come back as a human ,never
T,We shall see the Son of humanity coming in the clouds.
Can you see anyone on a cloud ,???It was the clouds that took him away in that same cloud he be back
We won't see him back nor in the flesh.read the scriptures
T,Matthew 24:30, Matthew 26:64, Mark 13:26, Mark 14:62, and Luke 21:27 state that the Son of humanity comes in the clouds.
Kyou need more thinking on this one ,
T,Jesus is the Son of humanity, as of the flesh since he is the Son of David, as of the flesh; Romans 1:3.
Kerwin.Do you believe that we will be resurrected in the flesh?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 20 2013,00:23) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 20 2013,05:15) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 20 2013,00:10) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 20 2013,00:04) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2013,13:37) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 19 2013,13:24) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2013,13:03) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,12:25) Amen Gene.
and “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.”
Think again,Jesus disappear this mean become invisible to the naked eye,
And so it is in this we that he will come back,
But the effect of his return will be seen by all,
This is why he ad given signs of his return ,things you would not need if we could literally see him coming back,
Christ will never come back as a human ,never
T,We shall see the Son of humanity coming in the clouds.
Can you see anyone on a cloud ,???It was the clouds that took him away in that same cloud he be back
We won't see him back nor in the flesh.read the scriptures
T,Matthew 24:30, Matthew 26:64, Mark 13:26, Mark 14:62, and Luke 21:27 state that the Son of humanity comes in the clouds.
Kyou need more thinking on this one ,
T,Jesus is the Son of humanity, as of the flesh since he is the Son of David, as of the flesh; Romans 1:3.
Kerwin.Do you believe that we will be resurrected in the flesh?
wakeup.
Wakeup,I believe flesh will be saved in the last days. I do not believe that flesh will be the flesh we currently dwell within,a flesh that is given life by blood and the soul within it. Instead it will be flesh given life by the Spirit.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 20 2013,06:01) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 20 2013,00:23) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 20 2013,05:15) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 20 2013,00:10) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 20 2013,00:04) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2013,13:37) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 19 2013,13:24) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2013,13:03) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,12:25) Amen Gene.
and “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.”
Think again,Jesus disappear this mean become invisible to the naked eye,
And so it is in this we that he will come back,
But the effect of his return will be seen by all,
This is why he ad given signs of his return ,things you would not need if we could literally see him coming back,
Christ will never come back as a human ,never
T,We shall see the Son of humanity coming in the clouds.
Can you see anyone on a cloud ,???It was the clouds that took him away in that same cloud he be back
We won't see him back nor in the flesh.read the scriptures
T,Matthew 24:30, Matthew 26:64, Mark 13:26, Mark 14:62, and Luke 21:27 state that the Son of humanity comes in the clouds.
Kyou need more thinking on this one ,
T,Jesus is the Son of humanity, as of the flesh since he is the Son of David, as of the flesh; Romans 1:3.
Kerwin.Do you believe that we will be resurrected in the flesh?
wakeup.
Wakeup,I believe flesh will be saved in the last days. I do not believe that flesh will be the flesh we currently dwell within,a flesh that is given life by blood and the soul within it. Instead it will be flesh given life by the Spirit.
Kerwin.How did you come to that conclusion?
wakeup.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 18 2013,16:58) ………he was also taken up into heaven in the flesh and he wii return back to this earth in the flesh soon. IMO Peace and love to you all…………………..gene
Hi Gene and All,Many people assume, because of the words of Acts 1:11, “Jesus will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven”, that Jesus remains in the flesh, and will return in the flesh.
They read those words, and mistakenly think that the angels were talking about Jesus leaving in the flesh, and returning in the flesh. But those angels were really saying that Jesus left on the clouds, and will return on the clouds. It is in that way that Jesus will return in the same way he left, ie: on the clouds.
We must use our God-given common sense here, guys. Jesus became a life-giving SPIRIT. He has put on the INCORRUPTABLE. Paul talks about finally receiving a glorious, new body like the one his Lord now has. We will be like the angels in the resurrection.
I find it unbelievable that our heavenly Lord and King is the only flesh being living in heaven, and ruling over more powerful, less inhibited spirit beings.
Guys, flesh cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. We must be born again of spirit to even enter that kingdom. Surely our Lord and Savior has not only entered that kingdom, but has inherited it as well. And if that is the case, he cannot be flesh anymore.
On a side note, Wakeup is one of the many who believe angels can “materialize” flesh bodies at will.
I have never held this belief, and I don't think Kerwin does either.
But consider, Wakeup: If you believe Jesus is now a spirit being – never again to be flesh; and you believe that all eyes will see him coming on the clouds with his angels, then you must make a decision in this matter.
Do you think Jesus and his angels will “materialize” flesh bodies, so that all eyes can see them? If so, then you agree with Gene that Jesus will return in the flesh.
On the other hand, if you believe spirit beings remain spirit, but God can open the eyes of humans to see them (like scripture teaches in many instances), then you have no dilemma. If you believe like I do, that God can open the eyes of anyone He wishes, enabling them to see spirits, then you can keep your belief that Jesus will return as a spirit, AND also keep your belief that all eyes will see him and his angels.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 20 2013,00:15) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 20 2013,00:10) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 20 2013,00:04) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2013,13:37) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 19 2013,13:24) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2013,13:03) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,12:25) Amen Gene.
and “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.”
Think again,Jesus disappear this mean become invisible to the naked eye,
And so it is in this we that he will come back,
But the effect of his return will be seen by all,
This is why he ad given signs of his return ,things you would not need if we could literally see him coming back,
Christ will never come back as a human ,never
T,We shall see the Son of humanity coming in the clouds.
Can you see anyone on a cloud ,???It was the clouds that took him away in that same cloud he be back
We won't see him back nor in the flesh.read the scriptures
T,Matthew 24:30, Matthew 26:64, Mark 13:26, Mark 14:62, and Luke 21:27 state that the Son of humanity comes in the clouds.
Kyou need more thinking on this one ,
T,Jesus is the Son of humanity, as of the flesh since he is the Son of David, as of the flesh; Romans 1:3.
Kagain ,you should read the scriptures more carefully ,and pay attention to details ,and do not ad your own view to it ,
this is the right way to learn
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 20 2013,03:02) On a side note, Wakeup is one of the many who believe angels can “materialize” flesh bodies at will. I have never held this belief, and I don't think Kerwin does either.
But consider, Wakeup: If you believe Jesus is now a spirit being – never again to be flesh; and you believe that all eyes will see him coming on the clouds with his angels, then you must make a decision in this matter.
Do you think Jesus and his angels will “materialize” flesh bodies, so that all eyes can see them? If so, then you agree with Gene that Jesus will return in the flesh.
On the other hand, if you believe spirit beings remain spirit, but God can open the eyes of humans to see them (like scripture teaches in many instances), then you have no dilemma. If you believe like I do, that God can open the eyes of anyone He wishes, enabling them to see spirits, then you can keep your belief that Jesus will return as a spirit, AND also keep your belief that all eyes will see him and his angels.
Mikegood point ,but first no one travel on clouds ,the clouds elevation on that day was the limit of those men watching to see Christ ,
NO ONE OF THOSE THAT WERE PRESENT SEW CHRIST IN THE CLOUDS BUT REMOVED FROM THEIR EYES BY THE CLOUDS ,BIG DIFFERENCE,
THE ANGEL SAYS THAT IT WILL BE THE SAME WAY THAT HE WOULD COME BACK “ON THE CLOUDS “
Lk 24:50 When he had led them out to the vicinity of Bethany, he lifted up his hands and blessed them.
Lk 24:51 While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven.Mk 16:19 After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God.
Ac 1:1 In my former book, Theophilus, I wrote about all that Jesus began to do and to teach
Ac 1:2 until the day he was taken up to heaven, after giving instructions through the Holy Spirit to the apostles he had chosen.Dt 33:26 “There is no one like the God of Jeshurun,
who rides on the heavens to help you
and on the clouds in his majesty.
Ps 68:4 Sing to God, sing praise to his name,
extol him who rides on the clouds—
his name is the LORD—
and rejoice before him.
Mt 24:30 “At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory.
Mt 26:64 “Yes, it is as you say,”Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
Mk 14:62 “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”HIS ANYONE CAN SAY THAT CHRIST WILL COME IN THE FLESH
DOES SCRIPTURES SAY THIS NO,WHY WOULD CHRIST COME BACK AS A HUMAN WEN ALL HIS WORK IS FINISH
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 20 2013,03:36) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 20 2013,00:15) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 20 2013,00:10) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 20 2013,00:04) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2013,13:37) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 19 2013,13:24) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2013,13:03) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,12:25) Amen Gene.
and “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.”
Think again,Jesus disappear this mean become invisible to the naked eye,
And so it is in this we that he will come back,
But the effect of his return will be seen by all,
This is why he ad given signs of his return ,things you would not need if we could literally see him coming back,
Christ will never come back as a human ,never
T,We shall see the Son of humanity coming in the clouds.
Can you see anyone on a cloud ,???It was the clouds that took him away in that same cloud he be back
We won't see him back nor in the flesh.read the scriptures
T,Matthew 24:30, Matthew 26:64, Mark 13:26, Mark 14:62, and Luke 21:27 state that the Son of humanity comes in the clouds.
Kyou need more thinking on this one ,
T,Jesus is the Son of humanity, as of the flesh since he is the Son of David, as of the flesh; Romans 1:3.
Kagain ,you should read the scriptures more carefully ,and pay attention to details ,and do not ad your own view to it ,
this is the right way to learn
T,Do you believe the Son of man is a human?
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 20 2013,04:37) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 20 2013,03:36) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 20 2013,00:15) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 20 2013,00:10) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 20 2013,00:04) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2013,13:37) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 19 2013,13:24) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2013,13:03) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,12:25) Amen Gene.
and “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.”
Think again,Jesus disappear this mean become invisible to the naked eye,
And so it is in this we that he will come back,
But the effect of his return will be seen by all,
This is why he ad given signs of his return ,things you would not need if we could literally see him coming back,
Christ will never come back as a human ,never
T,We shall see the Son of humanity coming in the clouds.
Can you see anyone on a cloud ,???It was the clouds that took him away in that same cloud he be back
We won't see him back nor in the flesh.read the scriptures
T,Matthew 24:30, Matthew 26:64, Mark 13:26, Mark 14:62, and Luke 21:27 state that the Son of humanity comes in the clouds.
Kyou need more thinking on this one ,
T,Jesus is the Son of humanity, as of the flesh since he is the Son of David, as of the flesh; Romans 1:3.
Kagain ,you should read the scriptures more carefully ,and pay attention to details ,and do not ad your own view to it ,
this is the right way to learn
T,Do you believe the Son of man is a human?
kWHAT DO YOU CALL A HUMAN
his looks his talk his skin what he eats
how he lives or the fact that he his born from human parents or all the above
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I've had this same discussion here.
Quote (david @ Jan. 19 2013,16:51) I can't believe you are having this discussion without me.
Which discussion, David? The one about whether or not Jesus is the only flesh being in heaven?Or the one about angels “materializing” bodies at will?
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 19 2013,16:37) T, Do you believe the Son of man is a human?
Pierre and I believe just what the scriptures teach us: The Son of Man was existing in the form of God, was made into the likeness of a human being, died as atonement for our sins, was raised up to heaven, and now sits in his new, glorious, spiritual body at the right hand of his God and our God.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 20 2013,07:52) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 19 2013,16:37) T, Do you believe the Son of man is a human?
Pierre and I believe just what the scriptures teach us: The Son of Man was existing in the form of God, was made into the likeness of a human being, died as atonement for our sins, was raised up to heaven, and now sits in his new, glorious, spiritual body at the right hand of his God and our God.
Mikeyes that it ,but Kerwin like the long way rather than the short cut
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 20 2013,05:05) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 20 2013,04:37) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 20 2013,03:36) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 20 2013,00:15) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 20 2013,00:10) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 20 2013,00:04) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2013,13:37) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 19 2013,13:24) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2013,13:03) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,12:25) Amen Gene.
and “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.”
Think again,Jesus disappear this mean become invisible to the naked eye,
And so it is in this we that he will come back,
But the effect of his return will be seen by all,
This is why he ad given signs of his return ,things you would not need if we could literally see him coming back,
Christ will never come back as a human ,never
T,We shall see the Son of humanity coming in the clouds.
Can you see anyone on a cloud ,???It was the clouds that took him away in that same cloud he be back
We won't see him back nor in the flesh.read the scriptures
T,Matthew 24:30, Matthew 26:64, Mark 13:26, Mark 14:62, and Luke 21:27 state that the Son of humanity comes in the clouds.
Kyou need more thinking on this one ,
T,Jesus is the Son of humanity, as of the flesh since he is the Son of David, as of the flesh; Romans 1:3.
Kagain ,you should read the scriptures more carefully ,and pay attention to details ,and do not ad your own view to it ,
this is the right way to learn
T,Do you believe the Son of man is a human?
kWHAT DO YOU CALL A HUMAN
his looks his talk his skin what he eats
how he lives or the fact that he his born from human parents or all the above
T,Adam was not born of a human parent and still is a human.
Animals and Angels can eat what humans do and are not human.
Humans can live like beasts or angels and are still human.
Angels can look like men and are still angels and not human.
Scripture declares Jesus is the Son of David as of the flesh and so it is his flesh, at the least, that is human.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 20 2013,12:11) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 20 2013,05:05) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 20 2013,04:37) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 20 2013,03:36) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 20 2013,00:15) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 20 2013,00:10) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 20 2013,00:04) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2013,13:37) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 19 2013,13:24) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2013,13:03) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,12:25) Amen Gene.
and “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.”
Think again,Jesus disappear this mean become invisible to the naked eye,
And so it is in this we that he will come back,
But the effect of his return will be seen by all,
This is why he ad given signs of his return ,things you would not need if we could literally see him coming back,
Christ will never come back as a human ,never
T,We shall see the Son of humanity coming in the clouds.
Can you see anyone on a cloud ,???It was the clouds that took him away in that same cloud he be back
We won't see him back nor in the flesh.read the scriptures
T,Matthew 24:30, Matthew 26:64, Mark 13:26, Mark 14:62, and Luke 21:27 state that the Son of humanity comes in the clouds.
Kyou need more thinking on this one ,
T,Jesus is the Son of humanity, as of the flesh since he is the Son of David, as of the flesh; Romans 1:3.
Kagain ,you should read the scriptures more carefully ,and pay attention to details ,and do not ad your own view to it ,
this is the right way to learn
T,Do you believe the Son of man is a human?
kWHAT DO YOU CALL A HUMAN
his looks his talk his skin what he eats
how he lives or the fact that he his born from human parents or all the above
T,Adam was not born of a human parent and still is a human.
Animals and Angels can eat what humans do and are not human.
Humans can live like beasts or angels and are still human.
Angels can look like men and are still angels and not human.
Scripture declares Jesus is the Son of David as of the flesh and so it is his flesh, at the least, that is human.
KGood,his flesh, and that we know was given by Mary his birth mother,
A surrogate mother to the son of God,Adam and Eve were both new creation,Jesus was not ,he came to save men from Adam sin and reconcile men to his father ,
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