Was Jesus Created?

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2012,14:44)

You know jammin, It's sad for me because I actually started this thread for us.  But now I see I've made a grave mistake.  You don't want to learn, or even discuss any scriptures.  You just want to play childish games.

it is also sad for me bec you just want me to eat your opinion even it contradicts the bible.
also, your logic for the firstborn is wrong. how can i accept those teachings?
think about it.
you should study the verse well

[terraricca]

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 26 2012,21:44)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2012,14:40) Quote (jammin @ Mar. 25 2012,21:38) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2012,14:31) jammin, Last post on page 5.  There are five questions waiting for you. answer first my question. before i answer yours. Okay jammin, Unlike David in the other thread, I've grown tired of playing this game with you. If you cannot address my post on page 5, I understand. you are the one who plays game. you are making people fool mike the firstborn of death does not means that it is also a member of death. it refers to diseases. that is the meaning of the verse. study hard mike. you are really a false teacher mike

hi

he his what he his mike, jammy can not be anything else than himself ,

it is only a question how long does it take to know him

[kerwin]

To all,

This is an absurd thread which is why I also started one asking if John the Baptist is created.

[jammin]

how can i answer the question of mike if we are not done yet with the term firstborn of death???

he should first admit that his logic is wrong.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2012,20:55)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2012,13:43) 24 When they heard this, they raised their voices together in prayer to God. “Sovereign Lord,” they said, “you made the heaven and the earth and the sea, and everything in them. 25 You spoke by the Holy Spirit through the mouth of your servant, our father David:   “‘Why do the nations rage   and the peoples plot in vain? 26 The kings of the earth take their stand   and the rulers gather together against the Lord   and against his Anointed One.’ 27 Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed. 28 They did what your power and will had decided beforehand should happen. 29 Now, Lord, consider their threats and enable your servants to speak your word with great boldness. 30 Stretch out your hand to heal and perform miraculous signs and wonders through the name of your holy servant Jesus.” Who did Peter and John pray to? Did they attribute the creation of the heaven, earth, sea, and EVERYTHING IN THEM to the One they prayed to?  YES or NO? Who did Peter and John pray through? Is the one they prayed through the servant of the One they prayed to?  YES or NO? Does this servant have any choice but to be one of the “EVERYTHING” in heaven, earth, or sea that was created by the One they prayed to? Hi MB, 1 God v 24 2 Yes 3 David is the first servant mentioned YES 4 David was created but not the Spirit of Christ

Nick,

1. Yes, you are correct that they prayed to God.

2. You are correct that they attributed the creation of all things to that One they prayed to.

3. You are incorrect because they didn't pray to God through David. The correct answer is “Jesus”. (Verse 30)

4. The correct answer is “YES”, they prayed through the SERVANT OF the One they prayed to.

5. Please answer # 5 for me.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 26 2012,21:50)

To all, This is an absurd thread which is why I also started one asking if John the Baptist is created.

Kerwin

now that you have given your opinion on this tread ,what is your opinion on your own question

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2012,14:28)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 25 2012,21:24) Hi Mike, Let me know when you start with another verse then; OK? Ed, ONCE AGAIN, it is the last post on page 5.  And me taking the time to write this once again for you because you apparently can't see the long brown colored passage I quoted at the bottom of page 5 is annoying me. (Hint:  The questions are marked with both bullets and numbers, okay?)

Hi Mike, what does this verse have to do with your supposition? I see no connection?

Acts 4:24 And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice
to God with one accord, and said, LORD, thou art God, which
hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:

Isaiah 52:7 How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth
peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!

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1.  Who did Peter and John pray to?                                                                                                        “The Father”

2.  Did they attribute the creation of the heaven, earth, sea,
and EVERYTHING IN THEM to the One they prayed to?  YES or NO?                                                               Yep

3.  Who did Peter and John pray through?                                                                                                     huh?

4.  Is the one they prayed through the servant of the One they prayed to?  YES or NO?                              huh?

5.  Does this servant have any choice but to be one of the “EVERYTHING” in heaven,
earth, or sea that was created by the One they prayed to?                                                                         what?

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God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 25 2012,21:49)

hi he his what he his mike, jammy can not be anything else than himself ,

True, Pierre. And thanks, brother.

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2012,21:54)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 25 2012,21:49) hi he his what he his mike, jammy can not be anything else than himself , True, Pierre.  And thanks, brother.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 25 2012,21:50)

To all, This is an absurd thread which is why I also started one asking if John the Baptist is created.

Absurd? How so, Kerwin?

Was Jesus created? YES or NO? Seems pretty simple to me.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
All men are created.
Jesus Christ is the beginning of the new creation

[jammin]

to end this topic.
read in col 1.15 and rev 3.14 your opinion mike
read that it says first creation and not firstborn of all creation.

you said first creation, now read that to me

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2012,09:55)

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 25 2012,21:50) To all, This is an absurd thread which is why I also started one asking if John the Baptist is created. Absurd?  How so, Kerwin? Was Jesus created?  YES or NO?  Seems pretty simple to me.

Mike,

It is absurd since no one questions that John the Baptist is created even though scripture attests that both he and Jesus were conceived.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 25 2012,21:51)

how can i answer the question of mike if we are not done yet with the term firstborn of death??? he should first admit that his logic is wrong.

The questions on the bottom of page 5 don't concern the term “firstborn”, jammin.

I already knew the arguments I would get with Col 1:15 and Rev 3:14, because I've discussed them at length many times before.

The purpose of this thread was to show people like you that it will take more than twisting the meaning of those two scriptures to “prove” that Jesus has existed from eternity.

The Acts 4 prayer is only the beginning of the scriptures we'll discuss – scriptures that all point to Col 1:15 and Rev 3:14 meaning exactly what they say.

I realize you're scared. I realize you've read the post at the bottom of page 5 already, and cannot think of how you will answer. And I realize that is why you would rather keep bringing up that one Job verse instead of moving on with the discussion.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2012,14:32)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 25 2012,21:29) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2012,14:26) Now, you and Ed both agree that Jesus was created by God, right? Hi Mike, Jesus was born, not created. (see Matt.1:18-20) God bless Ed J Ed, more mundane crap? (1) Were YOU born?  YES or NO? (2) Are YOU a creation of God?  YES or NO?

Hi Mike,

1) Yep
2) Not sure what you mean?    …the universe is a creation of God    …Adam and Eve were a creation of God.
    Genesis 1:27-28 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female
    created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth

    Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind,
    and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 26 2012,09:52)

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 26 2012,21:50) To all, This is an absurd thread which is why I also started one asking if John the Baptist is created. Kerwin now that you have given your opinion on this tread ,what is your opinion on your own question

Pierre,

I take it for granted that both Jesus and John the Baptist are created; especially as Scripture declares they were  both conceived in their respective mother's wombs.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 25 2012,21:58)

Mike, It is absurd since no one questions that John the Baptist is created even though scripture attests that both he and Jesus were conceived.

Thank you for that, Kerwin.

Kathi, did you hear? John was also both “conceived” and “born”, yet he was still a creation of his God.

Just like every single one of us.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 25 2012,22:02)

Pierre, I take it for granted that both Jesus and John the Baptist are created; especially as Scripture declares they were both conceived in their respective mother's wombs.

Then for the purposes of this thread, you, I, and Pierre all agree that Jesus was created.

Let's keep the “when” out of this thread if we can.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2012,21:58)

Hi MB, All men are created. Jesus Christ is the beginning of the new creation

Okay Nick,

Then you also agree with me and Pierre and Kerwin that Jesus was created. That is the question of the thread – thanks for your answer.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 26 2012,22:02)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 26 2012,09:52) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 26 2012,21:50) To all, This is an absurd thread which is why I also started one asking if John the Baptist is created. Kerwin now that you have given your opinion on this tread ,what is your opinion on your own question Pierre, I take it for granted that both Jesus and John the Baptist are created; especially as Scripture declares they were  both conceived in their respective mother's wombs.

kerwin

what is the meaning of your word CREATION ??

here is mine;

cre·a·tion (kr-shn)
n.
1.
a. The act of creating.
b. The fact or state of having been created.
2. The act of investing with a new office or title.
3.
a. The world and all things in it.
b. All creatures or a class of creatures.
4. Creation The divine act by which, according to various religious and philosophical traditions, the world was brought into existence.
5. An original product of human invention or artistic imagination

so what you say

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