Was Jesus Created?

[mikeboll64]

Toby,

I whole heartedly disagree with your post, and the idea that your “supporting scriptures” actually support your claim about Col 1:15.

Also, it is not Christ who becomes “all in all”, but his God.

But anyway, this thread shouldn't be hard to understand, because the one question I'm asking is the actual title of the thread itself.

What is your answer to that one question?

[jammin]

nick, edj, toby

thanks coz we agree that Christ is not created.
this is what the bible says. but mike says different.

mike,
the bible says that GOD created all things through Christ.
he(christ) laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning and the heavens are the works of his hands.

[NickHassan]

Hi Jammin,
How could the Word be created?
The Word was with God and was God.
Then the Word became flesh at the Jordan

[jammin]

nick said: the WORD became flesh at the jordan

LOL

nick make your own version to support your doctrine. LOL

[NickHassan]

Hi Jammin,
Then who was the Word that was God and Who was the God the Word was with?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2012,20:04)

Hi Jammin, How could the Word be created? The Word was with God and was God.

But then apparently God came to do, not His own will, but the will of He who sent Him.  

And you can believe God, because the Father is His second witness.  

(These “truths” are according to Nick, not me.)

[jammin]

the WOrd is Christ in john 1.1 nick.

that is very clear in john 1.14

the Word is the son of GOD> Christ!

now if you dont believe what john said, then make your own version LOL

[NickHassan]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 03 2012,13:32)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2012,20:04) Hi Jammin, How could the Word be created? The Word was with God and was God. But then apparently God came to do, not His own will, but the will of He who sent Him.   And you can believe God, because the Father is His second witness.   (These “truths” are according to Nick, not me.)

Hi MB,
I realise you cannot grasp that the Word was God.
That Spirit from God prays to God with us and for us.

[NickHassan]

Hi mb,
You may eventually come to regret your mocking of the Word.

[mikeboll64]

ME mocking?

All I've done is post your very understanding, Nick. If you consider the words I posted to be “mocking”, then you need to realize that it is YOU who mocks the Word – not me.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2012,20:39)

Hi MB, I realise you cannot grasp that the Word was God.

And did the Word ever STOP being God?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Scripture says the Word was God.
Now the Word is the Son of God, Jesus Christ.

At the right hand of God

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 03 2012,11:17)

Quote (jammin @ April 02 2012,09:51) the thread has been answered. the meaning of the firstborn of all creation in col 1.15 is superior to all created things. he is not created. paul did not say that. it is just an illusion of mike. LOL col 1 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. Footnotes:   1. Colossians 1:15 The One who is preeminent over all creation make your own version mike LOL Interesting jammin. I've posted at least four other scriptures that distinguish Jesus as someone OTHER THAN the One who created EVERYTHING, yet you made no comment.   But just in case you missed the memo:  If Jesus is not the One who created ALL THINGS, then Jesus has no choice but to be one of the things created by that One.

Hi Mike,

Rudimentary logic is going to get burned up. (see Col.2:8 and 2Peter 3:10)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2012,13:04)

Hi Jammin, How could the Word be created? The Word was with God and was God. Then the Word became flesh at the Jordan

Hi Nick,

This is hard for the carnal mind to grasp.
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it
is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. (Rom.8:7)

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ April 03 2012,13:36)

the WOrd is Christ in john 1.1 nick. now if you dont believe what john said, then make your own version LOL

Hi Jammin,

“Christ” is not mentioned in John 1:1,
perhaps you need to make your own version?

Nice try though,
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
How could God stop being God?
When God pours of His Spirit then those so blessed become one with God.
But they do not become God

[toby]

Hi Mikeboll,
You said:

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Toby, I whole heartedly disagree with your post, and the idea that your “supporting scriptures” actually support your claim about Col 1:15.

Thanks. I know I'm right when you say I'm wrong! (That's a little joke – it means 'You are entitled to your personal opinion')

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Also, it is not Christ who becomes “all in all”, but his God.

This is 'splitting hairs'… The Scriptures says that Christ is in all. This is necessarily so if he is 'Over All'. If he is 'over all' then he is also 'In All'.
I think you are thinking from a physical point of view where you imagine bits of Christ floating around inside things and us and therefore he cannot be in 'bad things and people'. This is also shown by the argument you made that God cannot be everywhere at once because how can Angels then be said to 'come and go from before him'. You imagine God as a physical person sitting in a physical chair somewhere in the boundless Heaven (so one day our Telescope will spot him! Or, check t8's dimensions thread – there you can also use a Microscope to spot him as the whole of creation is small to large to small cyclic! Well, that's Science for you!!)

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But anyway, this thread shouldn't be hard to understand, because the one question I'm asking is the actual title of the thread itself.

How was this discussion going on for so long without you saying this to the others? Only when I make a comment you suddenly up-sticks and backtrack to the topic. Do you do this in other threads?

But, ok. I agree – the topic is 'Was Jesus Created?'

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What is your answer to that one question?

Yes, Jesus was Created. Note thought that Jesus was not CHRIST before he came as Man. God said 'I will send my servant who WILL BE your saviour' (which will be 'The Christ')
Remember that Jesus VOLUNTEERED to do the job ONLY because NO ONE ELSE was found able to do it (Even if it had been 'Scripted' that it should be so – remember that 'God knows and tells what will be BEFORE it occurs so everyone will know that he said so and that he is GOD!!'

Jesus, as the (Perfect) Man (Metaphorically: 'In Heaven') that he NOW IS, was created in the womb of Mary.

He was not 'Jesus' before so. Maybe your question is a little too simple!

[jammin]

Quote (Ed J @ April 03 2012,14:33)

Quote (jammin @ April 03 2012,13:36) the WOrd is Christ in john 1.1 nick. now if you dont believe what john said, then make your own version LOL Hi Jammin, “Christ” is not mentioned in John 1:1, perhaps you need to make your own version? Nice try though, Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

really? LOL

John 1:1

Amplified Bible (AMP)
John 1
1IN THE beginning [before all time] was the Word ([a]Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.

that's a word for word in the bible.

now give me a version that says that the WORD is the HS in john 1.1

any version edj. just read it to me that the WORD in john 1.1 refers to the HS.

i double dare you. but if you cant give me one then you have to publish your own version LOL

[NickHassan]

Hi Jammin,
If you search for adapted bibles that contain your choice of words are you not making your own bible?

[jammin]

nick,

bec it does not support your doctrine , you will not accept it.

i double dare you and edj, give me any single translation that says in john 1.1 that the WORD is HS

you may now start searching LOL

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