Was Jesus Created?

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  • #288650
    Lightenup
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    I agree Nick, in this situation Mike cannot distinguish between the two but just focuses on Jesus according to the flesh.

    #288654
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2012,20:20)
    1Cor 8:6 says no such thing, Kathi.

    But, if you can't come up with anything except for your unsubstantiated beliefs to rebut Acts 17, then I'll give jammin a chance before posting the next scripture.


    Mike,
    you said:

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    1Cor 8:6 says no such thing, Kathi.

    What do you think 1 Cor 8:6 says if it is not giving the Father and the Son both credit for creation. Show me some early church fathers that agree with you. Otherwise your claim is unsubstantiated. I can show you that 1 Cor 8:6 does credit the Father and the Son with the act of creation with many early church fathers comments., even Eusebius. Oh wait, I already have.

    #288656
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Kathi,
    For the Son read Christ read Spirit.
    All creation is by the Spirit.

    The Lord IS the Spirit

    #288664
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 28 2012,19:45)
    Mike,
    you said:

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    1Cor 8:6 says no such thing, Kathi.

    What do you think 1 Cor 8:6 says if it is not giving the Father and the Son both credit for creation. Show me some early church fathers that agree with you. Otherwise your claim is unsubstantiated. I can show you that 1 Cor 8:6 does credit the Father and the Son with the act of creation with many early church fathers comments., even Eusebius. Oh wait, I already have.


    What have I to do with early church fathers, Kathi?  They are your heroes, not mine.

    1 Corinthians 11:3
    Now I want you to realize that………….the head of Christ is God.

    Do you seriously think Paul would clearly tell us that God is the HEAD of Jesus in one verse, and then turn around and say that Jesus and God are equal co-Gods and co-Creators in another, Kathi?

    If you do, then it only shows the depths to which you have sunk in your efforts to make Jesus be the God/Creator he is the Son of – or even equal to his God/Creator.

    But this thread is NOT about 1 Cor 8:6, is it?

    #288665
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 28 2012,19:12)
    Mike,
    You can't seem to make a distinction between Jesus, according to the flesh, and Jesus who existed before the flesh.


    And was Jesus before the flesh in a higher or lower position than the exalted Jesus of today?

    In other words, has Jesus stepped DOWN a bunch of notches since fulfilling the will of his God and being exalted to His right hand?

    #288669
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 28 2012,20:47)
    Hi Kathi,
    For the Son read Christ read Spirit.
    All creation is by the Spirit.

    The Lord IS the Spirit


    Nick,
    Do you believe Jesus is the Lord? Do you worship Jesus as your Lord and Savior?

    #288670
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Kathi,
    Why would a branch worship the vine?
    The finger serves the Head with which is joined.
    We do not worship that which we are part of but his God.

    #288671
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    You have to stop relying on FLESHLY wisdom
    2 Corinthians 1:12
    For our proud confidence is this: the testimony of our conscience, that in holiness and godly sincerity, not in fleshly wisdom but in the grace of God, we have conducted ourselves in the world, and especially toward you.

    #288674
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2012,21:04)

    Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 28 2012,19:45)
    Mike,
    you said:

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    1Cor 8:6 says no such thing, Kathi.

    What do you think 1 Cor 8:6 says if it is not giving the Father and the Son both credit for creation. Show me some early church fathers that agree with you. Otherwise your claim is unsubstantiated. I can show you that 1 Cor 8:6 does credit the Father and the Son with the act of creation with many early church fathers comments., even Eusebius. Oh wait, I already have.


    What have I to do with early church fathers, Kathi?  They are your heroes, not mine.

    1 Corinthians 11:3
    Now I want you to realize that………….the head of Christ is God.

    Do you seriously think Paul would clearly tell us that God is the HEAD of Jesus in one verse, and then turn around and say that Jesus and God are equal co-Gods and co-Creators in another, Kathi?

    If you do, then it only shows the depths to which you have sunk in your efforts to make Jesus be the God/Creator he is the Son of – or even equal to his God/Creator.

    But this thread is NOT about 1 Cor 8:6, is it?


    Mike,
    you said:

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    What have I to do with early church fathers, Kathi?

    So you can't show support from those early church father's for your view whatever that is. Then I am not interested in discussing your imagination that is not supported from the early church fathers.

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    Do you seriously think Paul would clearly tell us that God is the HEAD of Jesus in one verse, and then turn around and say that Jesus and God are equal co-Gods and co-Creators in another, Kathi?

    Paul does just that in 1 Cor 8:6.

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    But this thread is NOT about 1 Cor 8:6, is it?

    1 Cor 8:6 answers the question of this thread. Jesus was the creator of all things with the Father and therefore, not the created.

    #288675
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 28 2012,21:21)
    Hi Kathi,
    Why would a branch worship the vine?
    The finger serves the Head with which is joined.
    We do not worship that which we are part of but his God.


    Is Jesus not your Lord and Savior, Nick?

    #288677
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Kathi,
    Should we worship him out of gratitude perhaps?
    Should our minds lead us?

    #288678
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Kathi,
    You obey your Lord as a finger obeys the head.

    #288681
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2012,21:06)

    Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 28 2012,19:12)
    Mike,
    You can't seem to make a distinction between Jesus, according to the flesh, and Jesus who existed before the flesh.


    And was Jesus before the flesh in a higher or lower position than the exalted Jesus of today?

    In other words, has Jesus stepped DOWN a bunch of notches since fulfilling the will of his God and being exalted to His right hand?


    Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

    #288682
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 29 2012,11:32)
    Ed,

    I've asked you a very simple “YES” or “NO” question.  Are you unable to directly answer it?


    Hi Mike,

    I have answered your questions, you just don't like my answers.
    The sun and moon were created; but we were born. (Link)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #288683
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Nick,
    Can you say that Jesus is your Lord and Savior? Yes or no

    #288685
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Kathi,
    Jesus Christ certainly is.
    The flesh profiteth nothing

    #288686
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 29 2012,11:33)
    Btw Ed,

    An “angel” is a spirit messenger of God.  Rev 1:1 fulfills all that is required for Jesus to be an angel of God.

    But this is off topic.


    Hi Mike,

    Jesus was a messenger, but not an Angel. (see Hebrews 1:4-6)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #288687
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 29 2012,13:06)

    Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 28 2012,19:12)
    Mike,
    You can't seem to make a distinction between Jesus, according to the flesh, and Jesus who existed before the flesh.


    And was Jesus before the flesh in a higher or lower position than the exalted Jesus of today?

    In other words, has Jesus stepped DOWN a bunch of notches since fulfilling the will of his God and being exalted to His right hand?


    Hi Mike,

    If he was the entirety of God before becoming human
    and returned to God without Lucifer, I would then say
    his position is higher; seated at the right hand of God.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #288688
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,
    At his anointing Jesus became the LORD Jesus
    1 Corinthians 5:4
    In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled, and I with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus,
    1 Corinthians 12:3
    Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus is accursed”; and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.
    1 Corinthians 16:23
    The grace of the Lord Jesus be with you.

    #288691
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 29 2012,21:10)
    Hi,
    At his anointing Jesus became the LORD Jesus
    1 Corinthians 5:4
    In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled, and I with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus,
    1 Corinthians 12:3
    Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus is accursed”; and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.
    1 Corinthians 16:23
    The grace of the Lord Jesus be with you.


    N

    you are a deceiver ;quoting things who do not show in scriptures ;

    1Co 5:4 When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present,

    At his anointing Jesus became the LORD Jesus
    1 Corinthians 5:4

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