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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2012,12:41) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 27 2012,19:22) Hi Mike, You take part in the creation of God;
God gave power for humans to reproduce
after their kind; you can read this in Genesis.
Ecclesiastes 11:5
As you do not know the path of the wind, or how the body is formed in a mother’s womb, so you cannot understand the work of God, the Maker of all things.Isaiah 44:2
This is what the LORD says— he who made you, who formed you in the womb, and who will help you: Do not be afraid, O Jacob, my servant, Jeshurun, whom I have chosen.Isaiah 44:24
“This is what the LORD says— your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the LORD, who has made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself,Isaiah 49:5
And now the LORD says— he who formed me in the womb to be his servant to bring Jacob back to him and gather Israel to himself, for I am honored in the eyes of the LORD and my God has been my strength—Jeremiah 1:5
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”Who formed you in your mother's womb Ed? Is God the Creator of ALL things, like the scriptures say? Or “all things EXCEPT FOR Jesus”?
Hi Mike,God is the maker of all things.
And he indeed form us all in the womb.
Jesus did enter into the world the same as us.But none of this proves your 'theory'
that he was the first thing that God created.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (kerwin @ Mar. 29 2012,01:47) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 28 2012,01:44) Hi T,
Did you not know the Spirit alighted on him as a Dove when God affirmed Ps 2?
Nick,The form of a dove is a symbolic message from God.
Genesis 8:11
King James Version (KJV)11And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.
Here is my source.
Kerwinhow many saw that sign
?mike your doctrine is so funny. LOL
you believe that Christ is god but he is created. what kind of god is that? unless he does not have the form of GOD before he became flesh.
Christ has the form of GOD, he is truly GOD!your opinion is so vague. study hard mike.
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 29 2012,08:10) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2012,12:41) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 27 2012,19:22) Hi Mike, You take part in the creation of God;
God gave power for humans to reproduce
after their kind; you can read this in Genesis.
Ecclesiastes 11:5
As you do not know the path of the wind, or how the body is formed in a mother’s womb, so you cannot understand the work of God, the Maker of all things.Isaiah 44:2
This is what the LORD says— he who made you, who formed you in the womb, and who will help you: Do not be afraid, O Jacob, my servant, Jeshurun, whom I have chosen.Isaiah 44:24
“This is what the LORD says— your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the LORD, who has made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself,Isaiah 49:5
And now the LORD says— he who formed me in the womb to be his servant to bring Jacob back to him and gather Israel to himself, for I am honored in the eyes of the LORD and my God has been my strength—Jeremiah 1:5
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”Who formed you in your mother's womb Ed? Is God the Creator of ALL things, like the scriptures say? Or “all things EXCEPT FOR Jesus”?
Hi Mike,God is the maker of all things.
And he indeed form us all in the womb.
Jesus did enter into the world the same as us.But none of this proves your 'theory'
that he was the first thing that God created.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjif you do not believe scriptures then you have not a value to your faith and so your hope is in vain
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 28 2012,18:47) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 28 2012,01:44) Hi T,
Did you not know the Spirit alighted on him as a Dove when God affirmed Ps 2?
Nick,The form of a dove is a symbolic message from God.
Genesis 8:11
King James Version (KJV)11And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.
Here is my source.
Hi WKW,
Symbolic of what?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 29 2012,01:36) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 28 2012,18:47) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 28 2012,01:44) Hi T,
Did you not know the Spirit alighted on him as a Dove when God affirmed Ps 2?
Nick,The form of a dove is a symbolic message from God.
Genesis 8:11
King James Version (KJV)11And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.
Here is my source.
Hi WKW,
Symbolic of what?
Nick,Peace with God; which is why I quoted the passage from Genesis where God used a dove to communicate the abatement of his anger.
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,20:38) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 29 2012,01:47) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 28 2012,01:44) Hi T,
Did you not know the Spirit alighted on him as a Dove when God affirmed Ps 2?
Nick,The form of a dove is a symbolic message from God.
Genesis 8:11
King James Version (KJV)11And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.
Here is my source.
Kerwinhow many saw that sign
?
Pierre,How many have heard the witness of the sign of the dove?
Hi All,
Please can you it be noted that in reference to Jesus being baptised the verse does not say that the Holy Spirit Was A Dove.
Just to make it clear: the verse says 'Like a Dove'.
This means that the Holy Spirit alighted 'in the way that a Dove would', that is, 'with a light flutter', 'Like a light breeze', 'Softly'.
Has anyone ever seen a Dove how lightly, gently and softly it lands on a branch or other surfaces.
Contrast this with how the Holy Spirit manifested itself at Pentecost.
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 29 2012,15:31) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,20:38) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 29 2012,01:47) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 28 2012,01:44) Hi T,
Did you not know the Spirit alighted on him as a Dove when God affirmed Ps 2?
Nick,The form of a dove is a symbolic message from God.
Genesis 8:11
King James Version (KJV)11And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.
Here is my source.
Kerwinhow many saw that sign
?
Pierre,How many have heard the witness of the sign of the dove?
KerwinMt 3:15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented.
Mt 3:16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him.
Mt 3:17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”Mk 1:9 At that time Jesus came from Nazareth in Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan.
Mk 1:10 As Jesus was coming up out of the water, he saw heaven being torn open and the Spirit descending on him like a dove.
Mk 1:11 And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.”Lk 3:21 When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as he was praying, heaven was opened
Lk 3:22 and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.”Jn 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
Jn 1:30 This is the one I meant when I said, ‘A man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’
Jn 1:31 I myself did not know him, but the reason I came baptizing with water was that he might be revealed to Israel.”
Jn 1:32 Then John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him.
Jn 1:33 I would not have known him, except that the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is he who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’
Jn 1:34 I have seen and I testify that this is the Son of God.”Jn 1:35 The next day John was there again with two of his disciples.
Jn 1:36 When he saw Jesus passing by, he said, “Look, the Lamb of God!”
Jn 1:37 When the two disciples heard him say this, they followed Jesus.I can only count two how much you count
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 29 2012,05:43) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 29 2012,08:10)
Hi Mike,God is the maker of all things.
And he indeed form us all in the womb.
Jesus did enter into the world the same as us.But none of this proves your 'theory'
that he was the first thing that God created.God bless
Ed J
edjif you do not believe scriptures then you have not a value to your faith and so your hope is in vain
PIERRE,Don't delude yourself! Your 'spin' on the Scriptures
hardly equates to the Scriptures themselves? God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Mar. 29 2012,17:13) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 29 2012,05:43) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 29 2012,08:10)
Hi Mike,God is the maker of all things.
And he indeed form us all in the womb.
Jesus did enter into the world the same as us.But none of this proves your 'theory'
that he was the first thing that God created.God bless
Ed J
edjif you do not believe scriptures then you have not a value to your faith and so your hope is in vain
PIERRE,Don't delude yourself! Your 'spin' on the Scriptures
hardly equates to the Scriptures themselves? God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjprove it
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 29 2012,10:22) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 29 2012,17:13) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 29 2012,05:43) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 29 2012,08:10)
Hi Mike,God is the maker of all things.
And he indeed form us all in the womb.
Jesus did enter into the world the same as us.But none of this proves your 'theory'
that he was the first thing that God created.God bless
Ed J
edjif you do not believe scriptures then you have not a value to your faith and so your hope is in vain
PIERRE,Don't delude yourself! Your 'spin' on the Scriptures
hardly equates to the Scriptures themselves? God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjprove it
2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of
the scripture is of any private interpretation.Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 29 2012,17:27) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 29 2012,10:22) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 29 2012,17:13) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 29 2012,05:43) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 29 2012,08:10)
Hi Mike,God is the maker of all things.
And he indeed form us all in the womb.
Jesus did enter into the world the same as us.But none of this proves your 'theory'
that he was the first thing that God created.God bless
Ed J
edjif you do not believe scriptures then you have not a value to your faith and so your hope is in vain
PIERRE,Don't delude yourself! Your 'spin' on the Scriptures
hardly equates to the Scriptures themselves? God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjprove it
2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of
the scripture is of any private interpretation.
edjyou have not read my comment you have it interpreted to your own will;
Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 28 2012,08:10) Hi Mike, God is the maker of all things.
And he indeed form us all in the womb.
Jesus did enter into the world the same as us.
Ed,If God created ALL THINGS, that would include Jesus, right?
Quote (toby @ Mar. 28 2012,15:39) Just to make it clear: the verse says 'Like a Dove'. This means that the Holy Spirit alighted 'in the way that a Dove would', that is, 'with a light flutter', 'Like a light breeze', 'Softly'.
Luke 3:22 NIV ©
and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 29 2012,10:36) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 28 2012,08:10) Hi Mike, God is the maker of all things.
And he indeed form us all in the womb.
Jesus did enter into the world the same as us.
Ed,If God created ALL THINGS, that would include Jesus, right?
Hi Mike, God created eve, which we all (including Jesus) came into the word through.Gen 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
“The HolySpirit shall come upon thee(Mary), and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee:
therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.” (Luke 1:35)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (jammin @ Mar. 28 2012,09:12) you believe that Christ is god but he is created. what kind of god is that?
I believe what the scriptures teach, jammin. Angels are also called gods in the scriptures, and we know they are created, right?Jesus is a god (mighty one) who is a lesser god than his own Creator (God Most High/God of gods).
Since I haven't seen any rebuttal from you about Acts 4, here's the next one:
Acts 17
24 “The God who made the universe and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands. 25 And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything, because he himself gives all men life and breath and everything else. 26 From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live. 27 God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us. 28 ‘For in him we live and move and have our being.’ As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’29 “Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by man’s design and skill. 30 In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. 31 For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by raising him from the dead.”
This time the teaching comes from Paul, instead of from Peter and John. I posted the whole passage for easy reference, but the verses that are important to this discussion are 24 and 31.
Verse 24 tells us that the One Paul called “God” made the universe and EVERYTHING in it. Verse 31 distinguishes Jesus as someone OTHER THAN the One Paul said made the universe and EVERYTHING in it. Once again, if Jesus isn't the One who made EVERYTHING, then he has no choice but to be part of the everything made by that One.
Mike
you said:
Quote Kathi, according to the prayer in Acts 4, there is the God they prayed to, who created EVERYTHING in the heavens. Jesus is a thing in the heavens who is NOT the God they prayed to. Logically then, he would have no choice but to be one of those things in the heavens created by the God who created EVERYTHING in the heavens. Is Acts 4 about who created the world or about whether Jesus was created or was it to claim that the man Jesus who was killed by the people and was raised, is actually the one that has been promised by the prophets throughout the ages? If Acts 4 is not a teaching on creation but a teaching on Jesus being the promised one and that it is His name that brings healing, then I believe that you should let it teach what it is about and not make it about what the passage is not intending to teach about.
Read chapter 3 and 4 together to see how threatened the priests were regarding those doing things in Jesus name. Pay attention to how many times His 'name' is referred to. These chapters are not about who or what was created.
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