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nick,
Christ is the son of GOD and not the holy spirit.
why dont you read your bible
mat 16.16
Matthew 16:16King James Version (KJV)
16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Hi Jammin,
The anointing [christos] is from above.Being anointed made Jesus of Nazareth both the Son of God and the Christ.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 28 2012,12:13) Hi Jammin,
The anointing [christos] is from above.Being anointed made Jesus of Nazareth both the Son of God and the Christ.
NI tough it was his birth that made him the son I mean his father that would make him the son of God ,unless his father is not God
is this what you are saying Nick the baptism is that an anointing
the affirmation by God that Jesus was his son ,was this his anointing
or was it the stamp of approval by the holy spirit that his father give him at that time ,is that the anointing
?or was it all part of a plan and that time ad come to fulfill
so what is it
Hi T,
Son of God and Mary at Bethlehem by birth.The ONLY BEGOTTEN Son of God alone, by begettal at the Jordan.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 28 2012,06:43) Hi T,
Son of God and Mary at Bethlehem by birth.The ONLY BEGOTTEN Son of God alone, by begettal at the Jordan.
Hey Nick,I'm glad we now see eye to eye on this.
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 28 2012,06:44) Hi T,
Did you not know the Spirit alighted on him as a Dove when God affirmed Ps 2?
Hi Nick,Most have trouble pinning down the timeline on this.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 27 2012,10:28) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 26 2012,11:51) edj
this is Mike'sQuote
If Jesus is not the One who created all those things, than he has no choice but to be one of those things that was created by the One they prayed to – the One who DID create all those things.IF JESUS IS NOT THE ONE WHO CREATED ALL THOSE THINGS,
THAN HE(CHRIST) HAS TO BE ONE OF THOSE THING THAT WAS CREATED,
BY THE ONE THEY PRAYED TO,(GOD)
BECAUSE GOD HIS THE ONE THAT CREATED ALL THOSE THINGS
so what Mike says must have been in regard to prove that Jesus is a creation ,through the action of prayers done by believers
Yes Pierre. Kerwin picked up on it right away. So did Colter and Nick and you. But to Ed, it is “as clear as mud”.I couldn't tell you why.
Hi Mike,I thought the reason you were asking questions about those verses
in Acts 4 was to attempt to make Jesus into a co-creator of God.And just because Jesus entered into Creation doesn't mean he
had no choice to do so as your 'clear as mud' statement suggests?Plus NONE of this has anything to do with the assertion
that you are attempting to prove in this thread anyway!Looking forward to checking out some more verses that you suggest prove you assertion.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 28 2012,13:44) Hi T,
Did you not know the Spirit alighted on him as a Dove when God affirmed Ps 2?
Nhow many people knew about that sign
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 27 2012,16:08) Hi Mike, I thought the reason you were asking questions about those verses
in Acts 4 was to attempt to make Jesus into a co-creator of God.
Nope. That's the beauty of these scriptures, Ed. Not only do they show Jesus as part of the “EVERYTHING IN HEAVEN” created by God, they also list him as someone OTHER THAN the One who did the creating.It's a win-win for truth seekers, because they show that God alone created, and Jesus was one of the things He created.
Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 26 2012,21:43) Anyway, in conclusion, the literal firstborn of his kind CANNOT POSSIBLY be the first created being of his kind. A literal firstborn requires that another OF HIS KIND had to exist beforehand whom the literal firstborn is from…
Kathi,I won't argue semantics with you. I see nothing wrong with calling Adam the “firstborn of the human race”. I don't think anyone else would miss the meaning either.
He is a SON of God, after all. And SONS are begotten, born, created, brought forth, etc.
Anyway, you can either offer your rebuttal to the points Pierre and I laid out for Acts 4, or I can move on without your comments.
It's up to you, but you should at least try, because it's clear jammin has nothing, and is waiting to see what you'll come up with.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2012,11:41) It's a win-win for truth seekers, (1)because they show that God alone created, (2)and Jesus was one of the things He created.
Hi Mike,1. Yes
2. Jesus was born, not created. (your claim is unsubstantiated)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd, I was born. Am I a creation of God? YES or NO?
It doesn't really matter how you answer that, because whether you like it or not, the prayer in Acts 4 proves that if Jesus was someone other than the One who created EVERYTHING in the heavens, earth and sea, then he has no choice whatsoever but to be one of the EVERYTHING in the heavens, earth or sea that was CREATED by that One.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2012,12:11) Ed, I was born. Am I a creation of God? YES or NO? It doesn't really matter how you answer that, because whether you like it or not, the prayer in Acts 4 proves that if Jesus was someone other than the One who created EVERYTHING in the heavens, earth and sea, then he has no choice whatsoever but to be one of the EVERYTHING in the heavens, earth or sea that was CREATED by that One.
Hi Mike,You take part in the creation of God;
God gave power for humans to reproduce
after their kind; you can read this in Genesis.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgMike,
You see nothing wrong with calling Adam the '”firstborn of the human race.” This is just another example of how you add words where there are no such words. You exchange 'of' with 'by' in Rev. 3:14 where you also insist that the beginning is the created beginning; you say firstborn but mean first created in Col 1:15, and now you claim that Adam is a literal firstborn of the human race (where does he call God by the name 'Father') we know he was called the first Adam but never the 'firstborn.' You also lower the G to g for god when applied to Jesus even though every translation has it capitalized except the NWT and you exchange every word that is translated as 'worship' to 'bowed down' when applied to Jesus Christ the Lord and Savior, etc.Mike, do you see how you add to, change and twist things to fit your doctrine…now you think that Acts 4 must say that Jesus was created but it doesn't say that.
In Acts 4, they prayed to God, the creator. We are told that there was one God and one Lord who were together-the creator in 1 Cor 8:6 so that is who the people are praying to whether they realize it or not. All things are to be done in the name of Jesus, even prayer to the creator. There is more than one person that make up the fullness of God, Mike. One of those person's name is who we are to pray in, but our fellowship is with both the Father and the Son and both hear and answer our prayers.
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 27 2012,19:22) Hi Mike, You take part in the creation of God;
God gave power for humans to reproduce
after their kind; you can read this in Genesis.
Ecclesiastes 11:5
As you do not know the path of the wind, or how the body is formed in a mother’s womb, so you cannot understand the work of God, the Maker of all things.Isaiah 44:2
This is what the LORD says— he who made you, who formed you in the womb, and who will help you: Do not be afraid, O Jacob, my servant, Jeshurun, whom I have chosen.Isaiah 44:24
“This is what the LORD says— your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the LORD, who has made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself,Isaiah 49:5
And now the LORD says— he who formed me in the womb to be his servant to bring Jacob back to him and gather Israel to himself, for I am honored in the eyes of the LORD and my God has been my strength—Jeremiah 1:5
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”Who formed you in your mother's womb Ed? Is God the Creator of ALL things, like the scriptures say? Or “all things EXCEPT FOR Jesus”?
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 28 2012,19:22) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2012,12:11) Ed, I was born. Am I a creation of God? YES or NO? It doesn't really matter how you answer that, because whether you like it or not, the prayer in Acts 4 proves that if Jesus was someone other than the One who created EVERYTHING in the heavens, earth and sea, then he has no choice whatsoever but to be one of the EVERYTHING in the heavens, earth or sea that was CREATED by that One.
Hi Mike,You take part in the creation of God;
God gave power for humans to reproduce
after their kind; you can read this in Genesis.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjyou mean that the first person making a wheel created it ??
no one but God created ,we just copy what has been created so your children looks like you ,you have not created any thing ,just because i give you a candy ,you claim that it is your creation
what s wrong with you ??Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 27 2012,19:35) You exchange 'of' with 'by' in Rev. 3:14………….. do you see how you add to, change and twist things to fit your doctrine…
Revelation 3:14 NWT
And to the angel of the congregation in La·o·di·ce′a write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God,I merely quoted the NWT's translation, Kathi. I didn't “twist” anything. Is the creation OF God? YES. Is the creation BY God? YES. What's the difference?
Why is it you can change the genitive to “OVER creation” in Col 1:15, a move that totally changes the context, but I can't use “by” instead of “of”, when it doesn't change the meaning at all?
Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 27 2012,19:35) ……where does he call God by the name 'Father')
He is called “the son of God” in Luke 3:38 and other scriptures.Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 27 2012,19:35) You also lower the G to g for god when applied to Jesus even though every translation has it capitalized except the NWT
That's right, Kathi. Jesus is not God Most High, the ONLY ONE who should have a capped “G”, IMO. He is the SERVANT OF God Most High, and therefore a lesser god, like Satan and the OTHER angels of God, and therefore deserves a smaller “g” than God Most High deserves, IMO.Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 27 2012,19:35) you exchange every word that is translated as 'worship' to 'bowed down' when applied to Jesus Christ the Lord and Savior, etc.
No. Actually, Trinitarian translators CHANGE the word that should be “did obeisance” to “WORSHIP” in the case of Jesus, but not in the case of any other SERVANT OF God. And in the NASB that I'm reading right now, they have many “bowed downs” where the more modern, more ambitious Trinitarian translations have “worshipped”.(Speaking of “proskuneo”, I left a post here for you a week or so ago. I don't believe you saw it. It's the 4th post on page 210.)
Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 27 2012,19:35) now you think that Acts 4 must say that Jesus was created but it doesn't say that.
Ahhhh…………………. We're finally past the Rant of the Mundane and Unrelated, and onto the current discussion! Great.Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 27 2012,19:35) In Acts 4, they prayed to God, the creator. We are told that there was one God and one Lord who were together-the creator in 1 Cor 8:6………..
Wrong. We are told that God created all things THROUGH his SERVANT Jesus. We are told that the head of our Lord is GOD. Surely Paul didn't list God as the HEAD of our Lord Jesus in one scripture, and then try to equalize them as co-God/co-Creator in another.You are purposely misunderstanding 1 Cor 8:6 out of necessity for your flawed doctrine. But we are not here to discuss all these things listed in your rant, Kathi. This thread is for the sole purpose of discovering whether or not Jesus was created by his God.
Kathi, according to the prayer in Acts 4, there is the God they prayed to, who created EVERYTHING in the heavens. Jesus is a thing in the heavens who is NOT the God they prayed to. Logically then, he would have no choice but to be one of those things in the heavens created by the God who created EVERYTHING in the heavens.
(Don't bother responding to anything but my Acts 4 point, Kathi. If you do, it will most likely be ignored by me. I'm not into the million word per post debates anymore. Plus, I want to keep this thread on topic the best I can.)
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 28 2012,01:44) Hi T,
Did you not know the Spirit alighted on him as a Dove when God affirmed Ps 2?
Nick,The form of a dove is a symbolic message from God.
Genesis 8:11
King James Version (KJV)11And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.
Here is my source.
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