Was Jesus Christ born in Bethlehem or born at the Jordan?

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  • #813614
    Ed J
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    Hi t,

    There is scriptural proof that Jesus is a Son of Adam, a man.

    Hi Nick,

    Jesus actually denies that claim in Luke 20:41-44. But
    of course you, like Pierre, are not open to correction.

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #813618
    terraricca
    Participant

    Hi ED/N

    Hi t,
    There is scriptural proof that Jesus is a Son of Adam, a man
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    Lk 20:41 Then Jesus said to them, “How is it that they say the Christ is the Son of David?
    Lk 20:42 David himself declares in the Book of Psalms:
    “ ‘The Lord said to my Lord:
    “Sit at my right hand
    Lk 20:43 until I make your enemies
    a footstool for your feet.” ’

    Lk 20:44 David calls him ‘Lord.’ How then can he be his son?”

    Jn 1:10 He(Jesus) was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.

    if he was a man how could he be the one through whom all things where created ?

    Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
    Col 1:16 For by him all things were created:

    how could Jesus be “the image of God ;be the first born of creation if he only existed since bethlehem

    Phil 2:6 Who, being in very nature/form of God,
    did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
    Phil 2:7 but made himself nothing,
    taking the very nature of a servant,
    being made in human likeness.
    Phil 2:8 And being found in appearance as a man,
    he humbled himself

    how could he be in the form of God if he was a man ?

    and why would Jesus made himself nothing like a man if he was a man anyway ?

    Nick and others you can understand truth even if we tell you for you deny the scriptures for your opinions

    #813619
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    Lk 20.21

    Then he said to them

    “How is it that they say that Christ is David’s son?

    For David himself says in the book of psalms

    “The Lord said to my lord

    ‘Sit at My right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet’

    Therefore David call him ‘lord’ and how is he his son?”

     

    You err.

    Jesus makes no statement that he is not the son of David.

    Why do you misquote him?

    #813620
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t,

    Yes you need to ask yourself those questions about Phil 2

    Scripture says that Jesus is a man so do not deny it.

    Perhaps the word made flesh is the subject

    #813622
    terraricca
    Participant

    N

    you still don’t get it carnal views and tradition make a man blind to spiritual things ,

    I feel sorry for you

    #813635
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t,

    Yes you would say that.

    #813641
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    If you misunderstand and misquote Lk 20.41f

    what other errors are you propagating?

    #813643
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    Rom 1.4 explains Lk 20.41

    #813645
    terraricca
    Participant

    N

    yeah ? how is that ?

    Ro 1:1 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God—
    Ro 1:2 the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures
    Ro 1:3 regarding his Son, who as to his human nature was a descendant of David,
    Ro 1:4 and who through the Spirit of holiness was declared with power to be the Son of God by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.
    Ro 1:5 Through him and for his name’s sake, we received grace and apostleship to call people from among all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith.
    Ro 1:6 And you also are among those who are called to belong to Jesus Christ.

    Ro 1:7 To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints:

    Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

    It seems more like Paul as confused you

    #813655
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t,

    Can you not see it?

    Then hush till you can.

    #813662
    terraricca
    Participant

    N

    Ro 1:3 regarding his Son, who as to his human nature was a descendant of David,
    Ro 1:4 and who through the Spirit of holiness was declared with power to be the Son of God by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.

    this must be the part that has confused you

    #813827
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t,

    The Son of man, born of a woman, is a descendant of David.

    #813829
    terraricca
    Participant

    HI n

    so if his mother was a surrogate one it would not change a thing

    #813837
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t,

    Only according to your logic and not truth.

    Make sure the light in you is not darkness.

    #813840
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t,

    Heb 7

    Without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, he remains a priest perpetually.

    Such is the Spirit that was made flesh in Jesus.

    When will you see beyond flesh and listen to the eternal Spirit?

    #813851
    terraricca
    Participant

    hi N
    THIS IS THE PART FOR JESUS ;
    Heb 7:11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come—one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?
    Heb 7:12 For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.
    Heb 7:13 He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar.
    Heb 7:14 For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.
    Heb 7:15 And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears,
    Heb 7:16 one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life.
    Heb 7:17 For it is declared:
    “You are a priest forever,
    in the order of Melchizedek.”
    Heb 7:18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless
    Heb 7:19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.
    Heb 7:20 And it was not without an oath! Others became priests without any oath,
    Heb 7:21 but he became a priest with an oath when God said to him:
    “The Lord has sworn
    and will not change his mind:
    ‘You are a priest forever.’ ”
    Heb 7:22 Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.
    Heb 7:23 Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office;
    Heb 7:24 but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood.
    Heb 7:25 Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.
    Heb 7:26 Such a high priest meets our need—one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens.
    Heb 7:27 Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself.
    Heb 7:28 For the law appoints as high priests men who are weak; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever.

    Heb 8:1 The point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven,
    Heb 8:2 and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by man.

    #813868
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t,

    Indeed.

    Our high priest who entered the holy of holies on our behalf.

    #813883
    terraricca
    Participant

    Hi N

    yeah this time you have it right ,bravo

    #813909
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T,

    Yes the Son HAS BEEN MADE perfect.

    #813914
    terraricca
    Participant

    Hi N

    yes but what perfection ? is the question

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