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The old covenant. God did not put the fruits of the Spirit in the Law of Mosses nor did he place the works of the Law into the new covenant.
To all,
Was death in the world before sin came into the world through adam and death through sin?
This appears to be a question that some here answer with yes, death was in the world already.
Quote (kerwin @ April 27 2014,21:36) T, The old covenant. God did not put the fruits of the Spirit in the Law of Mosses nor did he place the works of the Law into the new covenant.
kERWINit is not called law it is called deeds in the new covenant
Quote (kerwin @ April 27 2014,21:39) To all, Was death in the world before sin came into the world through adam and death through sin?
This appears to be a question that some here answer with yes, death was in the world already.
Kerwinyes it was, fish eating fish ,and the animal world did not received from God a everlasting life ,some were created domestically and some wild ,scavengers were around in those days as well
T,
I base what I have written on the ideas expressed in these two passages.
Galatians 3:2
New International Version (NIV)2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?
Galatians 3:5
New International Version (NIV)5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?
I also reference a passage in Galatians 5 where it speaks of the fruit of the Spirit.
Quote (terraricca @ April 27 2014,21:57) Quote (kerwin @ April 27 2014,21:39) To all, Was death in the world before sin came into the world through adam and death through sin?
This appears to be a question that some here answer with yes, death was in the world already.
Kerwinyes it was, fish eating fish ,and the animal world did not received from God a everlasting life ,some were created domestically and some wild ,scavengers were around in those days as well
T,If death was already in the world then it could not have entered the world through sin.
The only thing God gave for man or animals to eat was seed bearing plants and fruit. He then say he gives the en-souled creatures every green plant as food.
Plants were created before the bible first mentions creating an en-souled creature but I am not even sure they died. Parts of them obviously did.
Genesis 1:29-30
New International Version (NIV)29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 26 2014,16:35) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 27 2014,04:58) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 25 2014,08:30) Job 19:26…. And after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my “FLESH” shall I see God.
Job 19:26 BBE ©
And…without my flesh I will see God;NETNotes says this about it:
The Hebrew phrase is “and from my flesh.”
This could mean “without my flesh,” i.e., separated from my flesh, or “from my flesh,” i.e., in or with my flesh.
Mike …….I understand how you can find some other interpretation that meet you dogmas, But most all translation have it Just as i have quoted it. You say it could mean this or that, but it could mean Just as it is written also. Why do you have to hunt so hard to find things to meet you Dogmas like there being other Gods, which breaks the first commandment of God., “ you shall have no other God, beside Me. You need to deal with that first of all. IMOpeace and love to you and yours……………………..gene
Gene,Read your own translation that you posted above. Does it really make sense to you that AFTER the worms ate all of Job's flesh, he would see God “in the flesh”?
Now if the Hebrew words could mean either “without my flesh” or “with my flesh” – which one makes the most sense for a man who had just had all of his flesh eaten to say?
Since the Hebrew words could also mean “away from my flesh” – it seem to me that this is the meaning that best fits the context.
Also, don't even bring up the “one God” thing UNTIL you are ready to accept the truth that JESUS is the Son who is called “O God” in Hebrews 1:8.
Until that time, I won't discuss that subject with you.
Quote (kerwin @ April 26 2014,19:17) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 26 2014,23:29) Quote (kerwin @ April 24 2014,21:51) Mike, Consider that a person that God created and he created him with a flesh body which was not subject to corruption. Should that man eat of the tree of Life it would simply have no effect.
I believe that was Wakeup's point, Kerwin.If the tree of life would have no effect on uncorrupted flesh that was going to live forever anyway – what use would there be for a tree of life in the Garden of Eden?
Why put it there in the first place?
Mike,Why not?
A hypothesis is that it was there until the time the race of man was mature enough to eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and then they would eat of the tree of life and become like angels.
So your hypothesis is that the tree of LIFE didn't really grant “LIFE” – but a transition from human to angel?Kind of a misnomer then, huh?
Quote (kerwin @ April 26 2014,19:20) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 26 2014,23:58) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 25 2014,08:30) Job 19:26…. And after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my “FLESH” shall I see God.
Job 19:26 BBE ©
And…without my flesh I will see God;NETNotes says this about it:
The Hebrew phrase is “and from my flesh.”
This could mean “without my flesh,” i.e., separated from my flesh, or “from my flesh,” i.e., in or with my flesh.
Mike,From my flesh I see all my eyes see. The same is true with my flesh. I think they both mean the same thing.
How about this one:From my CORRUPTED and SINFUL human eyes, I will someday see God.
In this case, it means once I am RID OF my corrupted and sinful human eyes.
Your comment doesn't really help the discussion, Kerwin – since the fact is that the Hebrew words could be taken either way.
I maintain that it would be awfully hard for Job to someday see God WITH his flesh, when he was convinced that his flesh was being eaten completely away by worms.
Add that to the fact that no man has ever seen God at any time, for God dwells in unapproachable light.
Quote (kerwin @ April 26 2014,19:29) Mike, It is the spiritual side of a man that gives life to the flesh. The Spirit of God is even more powerful.
Jesus is speaking of the Spirit of God, the Spirit God gave to him, it descended and later ascended but his flesh counted for nothing.
It is one of the times he chose to speak a little clearer to his audience.
Kerwin,THE FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING.
Not, “the flesh didn't count for anything AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME”.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 27 2014,08:31) Wakeup………I agree with Nick, where did you come up with all this stuff. You seem to just put things together as you see fit brother, piece milling without specific scripture backup only furthers confusion here. IMO
I agree with Wakeup. He has, for the most part, said it as it is.Quote (kerwin @ April 26 2014,20:51) Mike, Spiritual flesh is “governed by the Spirit of God” which is 3b. Natural flesh is “governed by breath”
Note: natural
No Kerwin,THE FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING. A spiritual PERSON is one who is governed by the Spirit of God.
That person's FLESH BODY is not what is governed.
Nor does your claim that “natural flesh is governed by breath” make any sense whatsoever.
Mike,
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That person's FLESH BODY is not what is governed.I do not remember that being written in Scripture and the words translated “natural” and “Spiritual” have those meanings.
Mike,
My hypothesis is that God stated that adam could eat of any other tree in the garden but if he then ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil he would die that very day.
Another way to say it is that if adam first ate of the tree of life and then ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil he would still die that very day as God made no exception.
Mike,
I am not getting away from the idea “I saw her from train” means I saw her when I was on the train.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 28 2014,01:31) Wakeup………I agree with Nick, where did you come up with all this stuff. You seem to just put things together as you see fit brother, piece milling without specific scripture backup only furthers confusion here. IMO peace and love to you and yours……………………………….gene
Gene B.Don't just disagree without stating the reasons.
And without scriptures as evidence.Those are just causing strive,and disunity.
wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ April 28 2014,13:15) Mike, I am not getting away from the idea “I saw her from train” means I saw her when I was on the train.
Kerwin.1 Corinthians 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan
***for the destruction of the flesh***,
***that the spirit may be saved***
in the day of the Lord Jesus.IT IS ALL ABOUT THE SPIRIT. THE FLESH PROFITED NOTHING. IT WILL TURN TO DUST.
THE SPIRIT MUST BE SAVED.wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ April 27 2014,22:16) Quote (terraricca @ April 27 2014,21:57) Quote (kerwin @ April 27 2014,21:39) To all, Was death in the world before sin came into the world through adam and death through sin?
This appears to be a question that some here answer with yes, death was in the world already.
Kerwinyes it was, fish eating fish ,and the animal world did not received from God a everlasting life ,some were created domestically and some wild ,scavengers were around in those days as well
T,If death was already in the world then it could not have entered the world through sin.
The only thing God gave for man or animals to eat was seed bearing plants and fruit. He then say he gives the en-souled creatures every green plant as food.
Plants were created before the bible first mentions creating an en-souled creature but I am not even sure they died. Parts of them obviously did.
Genesis 1:29-30
New International Version (NIV)29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.
Kthose scriptures are true ;
but understand that food is only useful to those that live,
the dead do not eat any more ;and see that God did not talk about the sea ,
and all seed as to die to give new life ,
did any scripture says that the beasts of the earth would have everlasting life
no ;just the food while they where living,did God talk to men as to someone he placed over all his creation on earth
yes did God told the limitation of men behavior
yes so it is true that Adam ad a conditional life ;
and Adam chooses to die over life ;sin is breaking the law of God
do animals break the law of God
i do not think so ,how could they ,God created them in the way they are and stayQuote (kerwin @ April 27 2014,22:01) T, I base what I have written on the ideas expressed in these two passages.
Galatians 3:2
New International Version (NIV)2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?
Galatians 3:5
New International Version (NIV)5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?
I also reference a passage in Galatians 5 where it speaks of the fruit of the Spirit.
Kthe law could be applied without believing in it by those who fallow it .
the new covenant goes by the spirit ,means by what we know about God's will and grace and so produce the fruits their of , the deeds of the law of the spirit '
Jas 1:22 Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says.
Jas 1:23 Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror
Jas 1:24 and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like.Jas 2:9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers.
Jas 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
Jas 2:11 For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.
Jas 2:12 Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom,
Jas 2:13 because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment!Jas 2:21 Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?
Jas 2:22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did.
Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend.
Jas 2:24 You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.
Jas 2:25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction?
Jas 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.understand what James is saying
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