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- August 26, 2014 at 5:37 pm#738425WakeupParticipant
The false prophet will sit in the new build temple(3rd temple) and call himself god. 2thess2.
Gods temple in rev 11,are all the christian worshippers.(consist of worshippers).
Only the temple and the altar is to be measured. The altar is where the sacrifice is burned.
Picturing our sacrifices to God during our christian lives; by living a clean life.
Not following the lust of the flesh. Refraining from sin. These are our daily sacrifices to God.
We could have just lived life as we please,and let it all loose; but we dont,because of our love for God more than love for self.
The court of the temple is the majority of christians that are just luke warm.Christian today and not christian the next day.
The daily sacrifice taken away in Daniel is speaking of the last days. See Dan ch.12:1.
It will only be taken away for 3/half yrs. (time times and a half of time)(1290 days).
Wait to the 1335th day;this would be the coming.(1290+45=1335).
Blessed is he that waited to the 1335 day.Dan(12:12).
Worty forum has blocked me from posting,just because I have posted jer25,which they(moderators) obviously dont like.
That prophecy is obviously not halal to them?? But haram.
Wolves shepherds in sheeps clothing,keeping the flock in spiritual limbo,is their job.
They need to be punished by God,for being a stumbling block to the flock.
There are many hungry souls there.Should be fed.
wakeup.
August 26, 2014 at 6:41 pm#738442Ed JParticipant“Worty forum has blocked me from posting,just because I have posted jer25”
Hi Wakeup,
No; they ‘blocked you’ because they don’t agree with your doctrine,
not because you posted a portion of Jeremiah 25 on their forum, Wakeup!Both here and on my forum (HolyCityBibleCode Forum) we examine each others views and
compare them to scripture. I don’t bar people that disagree with me and neither does T8.___________
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgAugust 26, 2014 at 6:54 pm#738445Ed JParticipantAugust 27, 2014 at 12:45 pm#738802CamilliaParticipantHi Wakeup,
I don’t think they would have banned you just for posting a verse. It was probably because your interpretation of that verse went against their statement of faith, maybe?I don’t think there will be a third temple built. If there is, then many Christians, including nations (i.e., America), may see it as a reason to fulfill their own perception of prophecy as you can see happening already with Gaza. That is western Christians.
August 27, 2014 at 1:52 pm#738818WakeupParticipantCAMELLIA.
Isreal’s great dream is to have the 3rd temple build,but the dome of the rock is in the way.
They have everything ready,including all the vessels and robes of the priests.The false prophet will sit in that tempel and call himself god. 2thess 2.
The abomination of desolation will be SET UP.(build).
No I have just posted straight scriptures,because they will not allow interpretations included.
They only can teach.
wakeup.
August 27, 2014 at 6:08 pm#738915WakeupParticipantEdj.
If you dont believe me you can look it up.
But no you can’t; because it was only on for one day; then they took off the page.
I have only posted jer 25 starting from verse 29 on to the last verse,with no explanantions.
They dont allow anyone giving explanations of chapters of scriptures, from verse to verse.
Only they can teach, and I knew that. So what are they there for?
Jeremiah 25:34 Howl, ye shepherds, and cry; and wallow yourselves in the ashes, ye principal of the flock: for the days of your slaughter and of your dispersions are accomplished; and ye shall fall like a pleasant vessel.
God’s words wil not come back empty.wakeup.
August 27, 2014 at 6:21 pm#738917WakeupParticipantThey will be punished for keeping the flock in their prison,and will not open the prison doors.
They are the fierce oppressors,keeping the land desolate.
The flock must come out and seek for themselves if they are spiritually hungry.Jeremiah 25:34 Howl, ye shepherds, and cry; and wallow yourselves in the ashes, ye principal of the flock: for the days of your slaughter and of your dispersions are accomplished; and ye shall fall like a pleasant vessel.
Jeremiah 25:38 He hath forsaken his covert, as the lion: for their land is desolate because of the fierceness of the oppressor, and because of his fierce anger.
wakeup.
August 27, 2014 at 6:32 pm#738933WakeupParticipantThe Roman empire are the two legs of IRON.
one in Rome; and one in asia minor,(constantinople);does make no difference where they rule.
They are still Roman.(IRON) where ever they rule.
They also ruled over israel; that does not make them jews.
Do you understand?wakeup.
September 13, 2014 at 12:19 pm#765837ProclaimerParticipantSeptember 16, 2014 at 9:53 pm#769716ProclaimerParticipantSeptember 20, 2014 at 10:38 pm#771015ProclaimerParticipantSeptember 22, 2014 at 11:36 am#771766Ed JParticipantIs Islam mentioned in the Bible?
T8,
Yes it is mentioned in the Bible, but not by name. For example
the ‘false prophet’ of Rev. clearly points to Muhammad of islam.Jer 23:29-31 says:
Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock (anti-Christ) in pieces?
Therefore, behold, I against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbor.
Behold, I against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith.Now compare the wording of Jer 23:29-31 to what it says in Rev.13:13 about the false prophet.
“And he (the false prophet) doeth great wonders, so that he (Muhammad of islam)
maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men” (Rev 13:13)Rev 13:13 is a prophetic mention of ‘the quran’ (fire come down from heaven)
which is SUPPOSEDLY came from The LORD JEHOVAH (my word like as a fire)Muhammad used his tongue and said “God said”, he also stole his words from his neighbor.
Jesus resurrecting a bird as a child was a well known story in the time of Muhammad.___________
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
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”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODSeptember 22, 2014 at 11:49 am#771767ProclaimerParticipantI wrote a page on this eschatology.
And I will be adding in two other views, the Preterist and Futurist views.
They all have strengths and weaknesses, but the view that an Islamic empire is the Beast certainly has a lot going for it.September 22, 2014 at 3:24 pm#771792Ed JParticipantIs Islam the Beast?
I’ll present the strengths, and you present the weaknesses, OK?
September 22, 2014 at 3:34 pm#771808ProclaimerParticipantOkay. You probably have the easier job then. lol.
September 22, 2014 at 3:37 pm#771809ProclaimerParticipantFirst weakness is the identity of Mystery Babylon. In Walid’s eschatology he says it is Mecca. While this end-time view doesn’t rest on this premise, I think it more likely that this harlot is the Vatican, but the Beast or seventh head is the Islamic Empire. I say this for a number of reasons, and it does fit that the Beast hates the prostitute and burns her with fire in one day. i.e., an Islamic empire nukes or bombs Vatican City. Something many radicals would love to do I imagine.
September 23, 2014 at 11:27 am#772938Ed JParticipantT8,
“So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness:
[size=17]and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet colored beast[/size],
full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.” (Rev 17:3)Remember the premise is that ‘the beast’ is ‘islam’.
1) How exactly would Vatican City be riding an Islamic beast?
2) Shiite islamists consider Saudi Arabia a harlot, and Mecca is in Saudi Arabia.
…..The city of Mecca, rather than Vatican City, is certainly riding on islam.___________
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
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”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODSeptember 23, 2014 at 1:35 pm#772988ProclaimerParticipantAt the time given, the Beast was Rome. And that Beast was conquered by Islam, but it did morph into the RCC from the Holy Roman Empire. Further, much of her practices were religious traditions from other Beasts going back to Babylon. Thus riding the back of the Beast is a good description and why the last head of the Beast will hate her. Just as each head of the Beast conquered the previous heads, thus Islam would want to conquer or destroy the woman that rides her. The woman’s existence is not dependant on the last head of the Beast. In fact that head destroys her.
September 23, 2014 at 6:55 pm#774085Ed JParticipantHi T8,
You present a good argument, but there’s a couple of problems with it.
First: Rev.17 presents a harlot riding the completed “seven-headed-beast”.
And as I said Vatican City certainly is not riding on islam as is Mecca.Secondly: If it were Vatican City it would be “the wine of her adultery”
rather than ‘the wine of her fornication – because islam has never known Christ.Thirdly: pushing it back to the SIXTH head, presents the same problem as does ‘THE LITTLE HORN’,
which is also considered as Vatican City. Because, the little horn is mentioned with both the
Grecian Empire as well as the Roman one. And the Grecian Empire was clearly Pre-Catholisism.___________
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
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”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODSeptember 24, 2014 at 1:03 am#774985ProclaimerParticipantFirst off, I should remind you (not that you have probably forgotten) that I don’t hold any view here for sure. I can see that of the different views there are strengths and weakness for the Islamic, Preterist, and Futurist views. In addition to that, the usual suspects for Babylon all have strong cases made for them, Rome, Jerusalem, New York, and now Mecca.
Sure Mecca is a candidate, but I don’t think it is as strong as the other options, unless Mecca wields great power behind the scenes with her country’s oil wealth or becomes more powerful in the future. But compared to the Vatican which ruled over the kings of that part of the world for quite a long time, Mecca is a recent arrival also isn’t described as a city on seven hills. Mecca has a long way to go if she is to surpass the power that the Vatican has wielded over the centuries IMO.
[caption id="" align="alignleft" width="205"] The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries.[/caption]
Another things. The Beast that we are shown in Revelation may have been a picture or symbol shown to John in a moment, but time is measured in millennia in that vision. The Beast spans thousands of years and just as Greece is no longer the Beast or the current head of the Beast, it is still part of the Beast right? Thus if a prostitute religion today has its source in Babylon and encomapsses other traditions from each head, then the Vatican surely embodies many of these religious practices and influences today.
[caption id="attachment_774983" align="alignright" width="250"] Scarlet Priest with Golden Cup[/caption]
If Babylon is indeed a religious system, then the usual suspects probably need to fulfill being present in the End of Days and to have its support from the Beast (which has spanned for thousands of years). The Vatican fulfills both these. Further, Islam itself is also steeped in Babylonian ideas including the Moon God, so that does make her part of Babylonian religious ideas too, but if Islam is the Beast, then she cannot be the Harlot, for they are two different things as testified by the fact that the Beast hates the Harlot.
However, this Harlot is not necessarily the whole religious system, but seems to be some kind of entity (likely a city) that is probably a religious system too and that has to exist in the last days, while further existing on the back of the Beast. The Vatican is a culmination of many religious pagan traditions that is mixes with Christian teachings, thus a perfect description for a harlot and it still exists today, and is a city on seven hills. She is both a state and a religion, and has spilled much innocent blood including Christians, and has sold her doctrines to world. Kings have committed adultery with her as to gain her favour and the votes of her adherents.
The Vatican was never a Beast, but sprung from the Beast of John’s day and the Beast in the last days hates her. The description of purple clothes and a gold cup, well that does bring pictures like the above to mind more so than Mecca for me,
The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries.
Last thing. The Vatican has had huge influence over the world and the Body of Christ. It has had this influence for perhaps a thousand years or more. Given the significance of making even most Christians adhere to her Trinity Doctrine and other non-biblical doctrines, then it is hard to imagine it doesn’t get a mention in scripture when it has so much of an impact on the Church of God.
But yeah, maybe it is Mecca after all. Maybe one leg of Islam hates the other and calls the other a Harlot and destroys her capital city. But does Mecca rule over the kings of the Earth, has she spilled the blood of God’s people? To some degree yes. Compared to the Vatican who is more guilty of spilling the blood of God’s people. Well that is up for debate I suppose. Some sources say The RCC and Vatican is the no1 killer of Christians. Walid Shoebat says that Islam is the no1 killer of Christians. But if Islam is the Beast, then Islam cannot be the woman. And why would Mecca be guilty of the blood of the martyrs. Again, how exactly is Mecca drunk on the blood of the saints? Unless this speaks of a time in the future.
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