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Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 09 2014,14:54) MikeB. Make sure you do answer these questions.
1.Your word does your will only. Y/N??
2.Your word does not have a will of its own.Y/N??
3.Your word does the will of your mind.Y/N??wakeup.
1. My word is not a sentient being, and therefore has no will.2. Yes.
3. My word is not a sentient being, and therefore has no will.
Now, YOU make sure you answer THIS question…..
Is it abundantly clear from many scriptures that the Word of God had his own will, and CHOSE to do the will of his Father?
Or is the Word of God a robot who doesn't have his own will, and therefore has no choice but to do what his designer programmed him to do?
Which one do the scriptures teach?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 10 2014,10:41) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 09 2014,14:54) MikeB. Make sure you do answer these questions.
1.Your word does your will only. Y/N??
2.Your word does not have a will of its own.Y/N??
3.Your word does the will of your mind.Y/N??wakeup.
1. My word is not a sentient being, and therefore has no will.2. Yes.
3. My word is not a sentient being, and therefore has no will.
Now, YOU make sure you answer THIS question…..
Is it abundantly clear from many scriptures that the Word of God had his own will, and CHOSE to do the will of his Father?
Or is the Word of God a robot who doesn't have his own will, and therefore has no choice but to do what his designer programmed him to do?
Which one do the scriptures teach?
Mike B.Quote . My word is not a sentient being, and therefore has no will. .
Your word's will, is your will. True.
1.Is your word sitting next to you,or in you?
2.Your word is in you,you will say.I am sure.
3. Why can't you bring out your word and give him a form?
4. Because you are not God which is a spirit.
You can not wait to counter my questions with a question.
Are you seriously seeking,or just enjoing the debate?
The Word of God *only does* Gods will.
When He was made human He was given His own will,
just as any other human.
But HE chose to do God's will only. He could have found Himself a wife,but he knew that; that was not His Fathers will.He was not sent to earth to start a family.We should follow His example: to follow our Fathers will.
But it does not mean that we can not marry,because this is not our assignment,on earth.
Jesus had a specific Job to Do.He also will only come back at His fathers command.
This robot thing you are saying,can be said about your own word. IS YOUR WORD A ROBOT?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 10 2014,04:58) You can not wait to counter my questions with a question. Are you seriously seeking,or just enjoing the debate?
Are you joking? My question was asked and ignored by you BEFORE you posted your 3 questions.
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 10 2014,04:58) The Word of God *only does* Gods will.
When He was made human He was given His own will,
just as any other human.
But HE chose to do God's will only
1. Are you saying that he WASN'T “the Word of God” when he was on earth?2. Or are you saying that I was right, and the Word of God DID have HIS OWN will, but chose to do God's will anyway?
Which one? (A number is all that is required…… not a manifesto that doesn't even answer the question.)
Mike B.
The man Jesus was human with human qualities.
He can speak and did speak His own words.
But He came to do God's WILL only.For He is the Word of God.He spoke mostly what His father tells Him to say and do.
We have our own will,but we must also do Gods will.
We do our own will,but our will must not go against the commandments.Jesus had no family,nor home,nor future plans in this world.
His job is to do the sowing of the seed only: to show the light in a world of darkness.wakeup.
I agree with everything in that last post, Wakeup. But that means that I was right, and Jesus, as the Word of God on earth, had HIS OWN will, right?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 13 2014,10:33) I agree with everything in that last post, Wakeup. But that means that I was right, and Jesus, as the Word of God on earth, had HIS OWN will, right?
Mike B.Yes; the man Jesus was not a robot.
He as a man, has his own will.
But **He chose** to do His Fathers will only.
Therefore He is the faithful and true servant.
He could have gone his own way.wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 14 2014,14:56) Hi,
Not my will but Thine be done.
True.
If only we as christians can do that.
But we did not come down from heaven,we have
our own desires,and lusts blocking our way.But we also have been given mercy.
No christian can do good all the time.
Even if one does nothing but good all his life.
That is not enough to get the ticket to EVERLASTING LIFE.
We always need that mecy.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 13 2014,21:53) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 13 2014,10:33) I agree with everything in that last post, Wakeup. But that means that I was right, and Jesus, as the Word of God on earth, had HIS OWN will, right?
Mike B.Yes; the man Jesus was not a robot.
He as a man, has his own will.
But **He chose** to do His Fathers will only.
Therefore He is the faithful and true servant.
He could have gone his own way.wakeup.
And since Jesus was indeed the Word of God – even while he was on the earth – the Word of God DID have its own will, and was a DIFFERENT being than God Himself.Do you agree?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 16 2014,07:19) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 13 2014,21:53) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 13 2014,10:33) I agree with everything in that last post, Wakeup. But that means that I was right, and Jesus, as the Word of God on earth, had HIS OWN will, right?
Mike B.Yes; the man Jesus was not a robot.
He as a man, has his own will.
But **He chose** to do His Fathers will only.
Therefore He is the faithful and true servant.
He could have gone his own way.wakeup.
And since Jesus was indeed the Word of God – even while he was on the earth – the Word of God DID have its own will, and was a DIFFERENT being than God Himself.Do you agree?
Mike B.Not a different being.
The same being in a different body. Flesh.
The same spirit being,but made flesh;named Jesus.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 15 2014,17:13) Mike B. Not a different being.
The same being in a different body. Flesh.
The same spirit being,but made flesh;named Jesus.
Aye yi yi!
You scolded me countless times for suggesting that you believe the Word actually IS God. And I told you that I only think you believe that BECAUSE OF the things you said.
This is one of those things, Wakeup. How can you say the Word and God are “the same being in a different body”, but then yell at me when I mention the fact that you believe the Word is God?
If the Word is the same being as God, then the Word IS God. Is that what you believe?
Btw, if the Word was “The same spirit being,but made flesh;named Jesus”, then that means God Himself came to earth and died. And that Jesus, the Son OF God, actually IS the God he is the Son OF.
Mike b.
You are always twisting My statements.
I said THE WORD WAS SPIRIT,TRANSFORMED INTO FLESH.
*NOT GOD*, BUT ***THE WORD***THE WORD***.GOD'S SPEECH IS A LIVING BEING.
HE IS THE WORD OF GOD; alive/living,and they had glory together in heaven.
The spirit IN God's Word was given a form.GOD'S SPEECH/WORD, WAS MADE FLESH.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 17 2014,05:03) Mike b. You are always twisting My statements.
This is the statement, Wakeup:Quote Not a different being. The same being in a different body. And “the SAME BEING” means that you think the Word IS God.
If I am “the SAME BEING” as the Boston Strangler, then I AM the Boston Strangler.
If you are “the SAME BEING” as the Dali Lama, then you ARE the Dali Lama.
Didn't you know that?
What/who, will We be??
The Word was in God.
The Word came from God.
Only through reading/studying the bible,absorbing the spirit.
Hearing the Word of God: can we come to know God.
The Word of God on earth: Was named Jesus.Let's say Harry is really a true believer.
He has Jesus spirit in him.
His own spirit is replaced by Jesus Spirit.
Because he lived for Christ.He died and was buried.
Harry, the flesh is no more.That spirit in Him was resurrected.
Harry is now in spirit form. (as an angel)?
Harry is now given a new name.
Written on white stone.His new name is now; lets say: Ramiel.
Since Ramiel is the spirit of christ in him resurrected.
Who *really* is ramiel?There is dick also exactly the same story; and many
many more true christians.
Who are they really?Now can you see; that Christ/the Word, was in God.
And we are that spirit of Christ in us; resurrected.
We are in christ,and of Christ.
***Christ in God and we in Christ***.
***God all in all***wakeup.
Even after Harry was graced with the spirit of Christ, he still was animated by the same spirit God gave him from birth……. the one that goes back to God when he dies.
So Harry doesn't actually BECOME the spirit of Christ, or vice-versa. Harry remains Harry until the day he dies. At the resurrection, it is the soul/essence of Harry that will be raised from the dead…….. complete with all of Harry's earthly memories – even memories of his life BEFORE he accepted Christ.
After all, the spirit of Christ in Harry can't actually die, and is therefore NOT the part of Harry that is resurrected.
So after the resurrection, you will still be you, Wakeup. You will have your own memories of all these heated discussions you and I had on Heaven Net. You will have all of your memories. The real “YOU” will never be REPLACED by the spirit of Christ – or any other spirits.
So Ramiel is NOT the spirit of christ that used to be inside Harry. Ramiel is still Harry – only with a new body, a new name, an eternal life, and I assume a much greater understanding of God, Christ, and the way things really are.
Wakeup, what about my last post to you? Did you have any direct responses, so I know where you stand on that issue?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 19 2014,12:16) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 17 2014,05:03) Mike b. You are always twisting My statements.
This is the statement, Wakeup:Quote Not a different being. The same being in a different body. And “the SAME BEING” means that you think the Word IS God.
If I am “the SAME BEING” as the Boston Strangler, then I AM the Boston Strangler.
If you are “the SAME BEING” as the Dali Lama, then you ARE the Dali Lama.
Didn't you know that?
MikeB.That being is not God;but his Word
That same being became flesh.
Whether in the spirit form or flesh form;
he is that same being,in defferent forms.
He had many forms.1.A tree.
2.A king and high priest of salem.
3.A rock with fresh water coming out of it.
4.An angel.
5.A born man.
6.He will come as He really is,and we will see Him as He is.All things were made by Him.
Israel was also made by Him.wakeup.
wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 20 2014,13:12) Even after Harry was graced with the spirit of Christ, he still was animated by the same spirit God gave him from birth……. the one that goes back to God when he dies. So Harry doesn't actually BECOME the spirit of Christ, or vice-versa. Harry remains Harry until the day he dies. At the resurrection, it is the soul/essence of Harry that will be raised from the dead…….. complete with all of Harry's earthly memories – even memories of his life BEFORE he accepted Christ.
After all, the spirit of Christ in Harry can't actually die, and is therefore NOT the part of Harry that is resurrected.
So after the resurrection, you will still be you, Wakeup. You will have your own memories of all these heated discussions you and I had on Heaven Net. You will have all of your memories. The real “YOU” will never be REPLACED by the spirit of Christ – or any other spirits.
So Ramiel is NOT the spirit of christ that used to be inside Harry. Ramiel is still Harry – only with a new body, a new name, an eternal life, and I assume a much greater understanding of God, Christ, and the way things really are.
Wakeup, what about my last post to you? Did you have any direct responses, so I know where you stand on that issue?
Mike B.There you go.
Ramiel was Harry in the flesh.
The word of God was Jesus in the flesh.Harry had the Word of God in him.
Harry in the flesh is no more.
Jesus had the Word of God in Him.
Jesus in the flesh is no more,for He was sacrificed.
God gave him to the world.
God does not take back what He has given away.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 19 2014,21:51) Mike B. There you go.
Ramiel was Harry in the flesh.
The word of God was Jesus in the flesh.
And just like both Ramiel and Harry are creations of God, both the Word and Jesus were creations of God.Ramiel/Harry was created by Jehovah.
Jesus/The Word was created by Jehovah as the first of His works. He is the firstborn, and the beginning of God's creations.
Neither Ramiel, Harry, The Word, or Jesus were ever actually God Himself.
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 19 2014,21:32) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 19 2014,12:16)
This was your statement, Wakeup:Quote Not a different being. The same being in a different body. And “the SAME BEING” means that you think the Word IS God.
If I am “the SAME BEING” as the Boston Strangler, then I AM the Boston Strangler.
If you are “the SAME BEING” as the Dali Lama, then you ARE the Dali Lama.
Didn't you know that?
MikeB.That being is not God;but his Word
That same being became flesh.
Well then you misspoke.Read the last post on the previous page, Wakeup. I told you that God and the Word were DIFFERENT beings, and you said they were the SAME being.
Now you seem to be saying something different again.
Mike B.
Lets stay with **BEFORE** the beginning,
or confusion will set in.BEFORE THE BEGINNG there was only God.
And God is a spirit,with a mind, intelligence.
Meaning: God has intelligence; a thinking ability.1.His Word/speech was not activated.
2.His Holy spirit was not activated.
3.His love was not activated,and all his qualities
were not in action.God was just there.
Can you picture that in your mind?Notice:His Word was not yet spoken,still in His mind,not uttered.
*UNTILL* He spoke; and this was IN THE BEGINNING.
JOHN UNDERSTOOD THIS. THEREFORE HE SAID:
AND THE WORD **WAS** GOD. NOT **IS**, BUT **WAS**
SPEAKING FROM HIS TIME PERIOD: OF THE PAST.
BEFORE THE BEGINNING.Lets just keep it here for now. Make a comment on the above only.
wakeup.
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