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Quote (Wakeup @ June 22 2014,09:19) Quote (terraricca @ June 22 2014,14:09) Quote (Wakeup @ June 22 2014,08:53) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2014,13:28) Wakeup and journey, Who will judge those who are raised in the second resurrection? It is, after all, called “The Lamb's Book of Life”, right?
Mikeb.Nothing has changed,God always speaks through His Word.
The difference is that after the thousand years,God will not
speak vocally through His Word anymore. To His spirit children he will speak telepathically. He can summon his children from a far distant away.All will be in the one website, God all in all.
wakeup.
wQuote Nothing has changed,God always speaks through His Word. did you ever try that :to speak through your own words”
i know we can speak our words through ;a radio,Bluetooth system, micro,a tube, a mouth,or through someone else if we write them down first ,
please help us to understand this logic
T.I am speaking to you from a distance right now, through the air.
Called the web,of the internet.Communicating through
frequencies in the air.
We can have all sorts of disagreements,but in the kingdom of heaven there will be none of this; for all will be of the one spirit.wakeup.
wyou got it ; but still not understand it that God's “word” his the name of the son of God in heaven and that God speaks through him because he is God's spokesperson through which he chose to speak and work,
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2014,15:33) Quote (Wakeup @ June 21 2014,20:53) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2014,13:28) Wakeup and journey, Who will judge those who are raised in the second resurrection? It is, after all, called “The Lamb's Book of Life”, right?
Mikeb.Nothing has changed,God always speaks through His Word.
The difference is that after the thousand years,God will not
speak vocally through His Word anymore. To His spirit children he will speak telepathically. He can summon his children from a far distant away.All will be in the one website, God all in all.
wakeup.
That's all very nice, Wakeup.Would you now please answer the question I asked?
MIke b.Jesus's job will only finish after all are judged, and made spirit. Satan and his angels cast into the lake of fire.
The earth will be renewed; then God will be all in all.
That should not be hard to understand.wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2014,13:24) Quote (Ed J @ June 21 2014,12:32) 3) Christ became a separate being from God at his conception in his mother Mary because before he was born there was no Jesus, only God. (1) Please explain.
(2) Also, are you saying that “Jesus” used to BE God, but then “branched off” from God to become an individual living entity who was NO LONGER God?
Hi Mike, (I broke your post down to three separate themes)1) My explanation will no doubt take multiple posts from me and
many questions from you, since your believe is so different.2) Your wording is a bit awkward, but that is primarily it.
Like taking a leaf from a tree, you cannot call an individual leaf the tree it came from.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2014,13:24) (1) Are you saying that there were no angels before Jesus was born of Mary? (2) Also, it doesn't take any “ADDING” to the scriptures by us to understand that Phil 2:6-8 tells how JESUS was existing in the form of God before emptying himself and being made in the likeness of a human being.
Hi Mike,1) No
2) But it does take “ADDING” to the scriptures to conclude he was an angel.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2014,13:24)
(1)Plus, the following three scriptures shoot down your “The Word is the Holy Spirit” theory:John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.John 15:26
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:John 16:7
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.(2)Those scriptures make it clear that “The Word” is someone completely different than “The Holy Spirit”.
Ed, there are too many holes in your doctrine to count, but (3)tell me who you think said the words of John 6:38.
Hi Mike,1) (Link)
2) No, they don't.
3) John
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2014,13:24)
Ed, there are too many holes in your doctrine to count, but tell me who you think said the words of John 6:38.
Hi Mike,“For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.” (John 6:38)
The “I” in John 6:38, “I”(Ed J) believe, refers to “the spirit of Christ”;
who came out/begotten from the HolySpirit/GOD.No doubt you will have many questions, I'm looking forward to answering them for you.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2014,13:24)
Ed, there are too many holes in your doctrine to count, but tell me who you think said the words of John 6:38.
Hi Mike,I have all the answers to fill in any holes you may currently be perceiving.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 22 2014,13:41) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2014,13:24)
Ed, there are too many holes in your doctrine to count, but tell me who you think said the words of John 6:38.
Hi Mike,I have all the answers to fill in any holes you may currently be perceiving.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdjI am sure that you can fill all of the holes ,but so are many,many others ;who have left God's truth ,
Quote (Wakeup @ June 22 2014,00:00) MIke b. Jesus's job will only finish after all are judged, and made spirit. Satan and his angels cast into the lake of fire.
The earth will be renewed; then God will be all in all.
That should not be hard to understand.
Agreed.So since Satan is released at the END of the thousand year reign, but isn't yet destroyed……. doesn't that tell us that Jesus CONTINUES to rule even after that thousand years?
Since the second resurrection happens way after the thousand year reign, doesn't that tell us that Jesus CONTINUES to rule even after the thousand years?
Quote (Ed J @ June 22 2014,01:11) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2014,13:24) ……..are you saying that “Jesus” used to BE God, but then “branched off” from God to become an individual living entity who was NO LONGER God?
Hi Mike,Your wording is a bit awkward, but that is primarily it.
Like taking a leaf from a tree, you cannot call an individual leaf the tree it came from.
And what does the fact that God never changes do to your theory? Doesn't your (and Wakeup's) theory call for God to “change”, by part of Him becoming a different living entity who is no longer “God Himself”?I would like to watch you and Wakeup discuss this theory amongst yourselves – in detail.
I would love to watch you guys “explain” how a part of “God Himself” became a prophet, priest, servant, son, sacrificial lamb, and anointed one of “God Himself”.
I would love to see which SCRIPTURES you guys use to support this theory. Surely you have more support than just the comically flawed John 1:1 translation of “and the Word was God“, right?
Quote (Ed J @ June 22 2014,01:11) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2014,13:24) ……….it doesn't take any “ADDING” to the scriptures by us to understand that Phil 2:6-8 tells how JESUS was existing in the form of God before emptying himself and being made in the likeness of a human being.
But it does take “ADDING” to the scriptures to conclude he was an angel.
Not at all, Ed.The English word “angel” merely signifies a “spirit messenger of God”.
So if Jesus was existing as a spirit being in heaven before emptying himself to be made in the likeness of a human being on earth – what other “class of being” could he have been?
What other spirit messengers are there in heaven, besides “angels”?
Besides, I noticed that you didn't actually oppose the thought that Jesus was existing in heaven before being made in the likeness of a human being. Does that mean you agree with that teaching?
Quote (Ed J @ June 22 2014,01:12) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2014,13:24)
(1)Plus, the following three scriptures shoot down your “The Word is the Holy Spirit” theory:John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.John 15:26
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:John 16:7
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.(2)Those scriptures make it clear that “The Word” is someone completely different than “The Holy Spirit”.
Ed, there are too many holes in your doctrine to count, but (3)tell me who you think said the words of John 6:38.
Hi Mike,1) (Link)
2) No, they don't.
3) John
1. Your link doesn't make those three scriptures I posted disappear, Ed.2. Then please explain how “the Holy Spirit” could say he was going to send a DIFFERENT comforter, who we know was “the Holy Spirit”. How could “the Holy Spirit made flesh” (John 1:14 – according to you) say he would later SEND “the Holy Spirit”?
3. I'm not asking who recorded the conversation. I'm asking who spoke the words that John later recorded in print. What is your REAL answer?
Quote (Ed J @ June 22 2014,01:37) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2014,13:24)
Ed, there are too many holes in your doctrine to count, but tell me who you think said the words of John 6:38.
Hi Mike,“For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.” (John 6:38)
The “I” in John 6:38, “I”(Ed J) believe, refers to “the spirit of Christ”;
who came out/begotten from the HolySpirit/GOD.No doubt you will have many questions, I'm looking forward to answering them for you.
I do indeed have many questions. Let's start here:John 6
35 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe.Who said THOSE words?
A. The living, breathing MAN Jesus Christ?
B. The spirit of Christ?
Mikeb.
1. *WHY* I wonder do you not believe that *GOD CAN*
give His own Word a form into His own image?2. Why do you believe that it *CAN NOT* happen; and has
not happen?3. Why can God create spirit creatures; BUT CAN NOT
TRANFORM HIS OWN WORD INTO A LIVING BEING?
What is God's propblem Here?4. Why according to you; Can God only create some other
creature to carry His commandments? And *CAN NOT*
make His own Word flesh?5.Why can you not believe John's statement in John 1:1:
and have to change it to satisfy your own undestanding?
ie; In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with
God ;and the Word was God. Why not ask for
understanding; instead of changing God's Word to satisfy
own spirit? Or own EGO?6. Why man always change/twist the scriptures that can not
be understood by man's spirit? Instead of asking God for
guidence to understand?7. Why can you not believe, that God can provide true
seekers with scriptures that are not corrupted?8. Why think; that satan is a better strategist than God?
Has he outsmarted God in that area?wakeup.
wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 23 2014,03:22) Quote (Ed J @ June 22 2014,01:11) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2014,13:24) ……..are you saying that “Jesus” used to BE God, but then “branched off” from God to become an individual living entity who was NO LONGER God?
Hi Mike,Your wording is a bit awkward, but that is primarily it.
Like taking a leaf from a tree, you cannot call an individual leaf the tree it came from.
(1) And what does the fact that God never changes do to your theory? Doesn't your (and Wakeup's) theory call for God to “change”, by part of Him becoming a different living entity who is no longer “God Himself”?(2) I would like to watch you and Wakeup discuss this theory amongst yourselves – in detail.
(3) I would love to watch you guys “explain” how a part of “God Himself” became a prophet, priest, servant, son, sacrificial lamb, and anointed one of “God Himself”.
(4a) I would love to see which SCRIPTURES you guys use to support this theory.
(4b) Surely you have more support than just the comically flawed John 1:1 translation of “and the Word was God“, right?
Hi Mike,1) You are on the right trail now!
2) It might be more productive for you and me instead to discuss it.
3) I want to address this very point with you and in greater detail, but from a completely different angle instead thereof, will you indulge?
4a) I have them on file.
b) irrelevant (not important or relating to what is being discussed right now)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ June 23 2014,03:27) Quote (Ed J @ June 22 2014,01:11) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2014,13:24) ……….it doesn't take any “ADDING” to the scriptures by us to understand that Phil 2:6-8 tells how JESUS was existing in the form of God before emptying himself and being made in the likeness of a human being.
But it does take “ADDING” to the scriptures to conclude he was an angel.
Not at all, Ed.(1) The English word “angel” merely signifies a “spirit messenger of God”.
(2) So if Jesus was existing as a spirit being in heaven before emptying himself to be made in the likeness of a human being on earth – what other “class of being” could he have been?
(3) What other spirit messengers are there in heaven, besides “angels”?
Besides, (4) I noticed that you didn't actually oppose the thought that Jesus was existing in heaven before being made in the likeness of a human being. (5) Does that mean you agree with that teaching?
Hi Mike,1) Then your logic surly suggests Jesus became an Angel to appear to Shaool on the road to Damascus
…is this what you are claiming?
2) IFF my Aunt had b*lls, she'd be my Uncle.
3) WHATTT?? What is that suppose to mean?
4) Notice also that I didn't agree with you either.
5) NoGod bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ June 23 2014,03:33) Quote (Ed J @ June 22 2014,01:12) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2014,13:24)
(1)Plus, the following three scriptures shoot down your “The Word is the Holy Spirit” theory:John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.John 15:26
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:John 16:7
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.(2)Those scriptures make it clear that “The Word” is someone completely different than “The Holy Spirit”.
Ed, there are too many holes in your doctrine to count, but (3)tell me who you think said the words of John 6:38.
Hi Mike,1) (Link)
2) No, they don't.
3) John
1. Your link doesn't make those three scriptures I posted disappear, Ed.2. (a) Then please explain how “the Holy Spirit” could say he was going to send a DIFFERENT comforter, who we know was “the Holy Spirit”.
(b) How could “the Holy Spirit made flesh” (John 1:14 – according to you) (c) say he would later SEND “the Holy Spirit”?3. I'm not asking who recorded the conversation. Q: I'm asking who spoke the words that John later recorded in print. What is your REAL answer?
Hi Mike,1) You are right, it certainly doesn't.
1a) We(me and you) are now having multiple topical in-depth conversations,
occurring in this thread and specifically in our last few posts; have you noticed this as well?2a) Simple, it was “the spirit of Christ” sending the Spirit of his Father.
2b) The HolySpirit was FIRST made flesh at the Jordan river, AND AGAIN LATER at “Pentecost”
2c) refer back to 2a3) I was being facetious. A: “the spirit of Christ” (<– this is what we need to discuss)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ June 23 2014,03:39) Quote (Ed J @ June 22 2014,01:37) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2014,13:24)
Ed, there are too many holes in your doctrine to count, but tell me who you think said the words of John 6:38.
Hi Mike,“For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.” (John 6:38)
The “I” in John 6:38, “I”(Ed J) believe, refers to “the spirit of Christ”;
who came out/begotten from the HolySpirit/GOD.No doubt you will have many questions, I'm looking forward to answering them for you.
I do indeed have many questions. Let's start here:John 6
35 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe.Who said THOSE words?
A. The living, breathing MAN Jesus Christ?
B. The spirit of Christ?
Hi Mike,We can work together better if you let me pick my choices. You have seen personally
the difficulty T8(Judge Dred) had when he falsely believed he could limit my choices …DEAL?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Wakeup @ June 23 2014,17:54) Mikeb. 1. *WHY* I wonder do you not believe that *GOD CAN*
give His own Word a form into His own image?2. Why do you believe that it *CAN NOT* happen; and has
not happen?3. Why can God create spirit creatures; BUT CAN NOT
TRANFORM HIS OWN WORD INTO A LIVING BEING?
What is God's propblem Here?4. Why according to you; Can God only create some other
creature to carry His commandments? And *CAN NOT*
make His own Word flesh?5.Why can you not believe John's statement in John 1:1:
and have to change it to satisfy your own undestanding?
ie; In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with
God ;and the Word was God. Why not ask for
understanding; instead of changing God's Word to satisfy
own spirit? Or own EGO?6. Why man always change/twist the scriptures that can not
be understood by man's spirit? Instead of asking God for
guidence to understand?7. Why can you not believe, that God can provide true
seekers with scriptures that are not corrupted?8. Why think; that satan is a better strategist than God?
Has he outsmarted God in that area?wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Those are the same type of ridiculous questions that you ask me,
do you actually believe that gibberish is saying something of value?I wonder if Mike will actually take the time to address each of these outlandish questions.
Mike, I suggest Wakeup's point #6 applies directly to him rather than to us. I hope you concur.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 23 2014,23:50) Quote (Wakeup @ June 23 2014,17:54) Mikeb. 1. *WHY* I wonder do you not believe that *GOD CAN*
give His own Word a form into His own image?2. Why do you believe that it *CAN NOT* happen; and has
not happen?3. Why can God create spirit creatures; BUT CAN NOT
TRANFORM HIS OWN WORD INTO A LIVING BEING?
What is God's propblem Here?4. Why according to you; Can God only create some other
creature to carry His commandments? And *CAN NOT*
make His own Word flesh?5.Why can you not believe John's statement in John 1:1:
and have to change it to satisfy your own undestanding?
ie; In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with
God ;and the Word was God. Why not ask for
understanding; instead of changing God's Word to satisfy
own spirit? Or own EGO?6. Why man always change/twist the scriptures that can not
be understood by man's spirit? Instead of asking God for
guidence to understand?7. Why can you not believe, that God can provide true
seekers with scriptures that are not corrupted?8. Why think; that satan is a better strategist than God?
Has he outsmarted God in that area?wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Those are the same type of ridiculous questions that you ask me,
do you actually believe that gibberish is saying something of value?I wonder if Mike will actually take the time to address each of these outlandish questions.
Mike, I suggest Wakeup's point #6 applies directly to him rather than to us. I hope you concur.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Edj.Can you just comment on it.
Instead of running for cover?
Dont forget; with that same mouth you also praise God.wakeup.
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