- This topic is empty.
- Posts
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 16 2013,01:25) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 16 2013,13:24)
Is it your claim that God used “father” and “son” to confuse us? And only certain “special” people can see past the words and their generally accepted meanings, allowing only those few to understand the “real” meaning that this particular “father” and “son” were in fact the same exact being?
God is referred to as Father because that is our best and highest conceivable concept………
So now explain the “son” part to me.Surely God knew that humans would assume the son came LATER, and was created BY the father, right? Surely God knew that WE KNOW a father and son are NOT the same being, right?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 18 2013,03:17) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 16 2013,01:25) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 16 2013,13:24)
Is it your claim that God used “father” and “son” to confuse us? And only certain “special” people can see past the words and their generally accepted meanings, allowing only those few to understand the “real” meaning that this particular “father” and “son” were in fact the same exact being?
God is referred to as Father because that is our best and highest conceivable concept………
So now explain the “son” part to me.Surely God knew that humans would assume the son came LATER, and was created BY the father, right? Surely God knew that WE KNOW a father and son are NOT the same being, right?
The Father that we know is revealed in Our Son. Revelation is progressive on the world of time and space. While the apostles may not have always understood Jesus, they trusted him. We are asked to trust him even though the higher things of God are difficult to “conceptualize” and understand. The Urantia papers are an attempt to explain more at this time of impending world crisis.This answers your question in truth while we may not be equipped to fully understand it in an absolute sence:
(44.1) 3:0.1 GOD is everywhere present; the Universal Fatherrules the circle of eternity. But he rules in the local universes in the persons of his Paradise Creator Sons, even as he bestows life through these Sons. “God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Sons.” These Creator Sons of God are the personal expression of himself in the sectors of time and to the children of the whirling planets of the evolving universes of space.
(44.2) 3:0.2 The highly personalized Sons of God are clearly discernible by the lower orders of created intelligences, and so do they compensate for the invisibility of the infinite and therefore less discernible Father. The Paradise Creator Sons of the Universal Father are a revelation of an otherwise invisible being, invisible because of the absoluteness and infinity inherent in the circle of eternity and in the personalities of the Paradise Deities.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 18 2013,03:03) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 16 2013,19:27) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 17 2013,07:12) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 17 2013,02:59) In the case of Jesus Christ you are wrong, “I am in the Father and the Father is in me” “If you have seen me, you have seen the Father.”
Jesus could not have been talking literally because it is clear:1 John 4:12
No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.John 17:23
I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one;………..So Jesus made the same statement regarding his disciples therefore your logic has failed.
If Jesus is in the Father and the Father in him and Jesus is in his disciples and God is in them then either the point is unity of purpose or you have a huge problem because the would ALL be God according to your view of thescripture you quoted
I see you are cherry picking the scriptures again to support your unbelief.
Aren't YOU cherry picking “I am in the Father”, Colter?It seems Asana has clearly and SCRIPTURALLY showed you that being “in the Father” or having the Father “be in you” is NOT the equivalent of “I AM NOW GOD HIMSELF” – as you seem to claim.
Just think it out. If God is IN Jesus, then Jesus must, by necessity, be someone OTHER THAN God. God cannot be IN Himself.
The Son is indistinguishable joined with the Father in eternity.14 “Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many mansions;[a] if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. 4 And where I go you know, and the way you know.”
5 Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can we know the way?”
6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
The Father Revealed
7 “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.”
8 Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.”
9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. 11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.
Colter
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 18 2013,03:13) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 15 2013,22:22) He should easily be able to recognize that only ONE BEING would or could have a Sovereign Right above all others.
Agreed. Jesus either IS the Most High God, or he is the Son of the Most High God. Scripture teaches only one of these things.Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 15 2013,22:22) Genesis 3:5
for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.The lie is not in knowing good and evil the lie is in the word “gods”
In this case, Satan WAS telling the truth, because God went on to say:Genesis 3:22
The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil.Satan, Jesus, angels, demons, and Jehovah are all called elohim in scripture. Consider that Jehovah couldn't be the MOST HIGH elohim if there existed no less high elohim. Nor could He be the elohim OF elohim if there existed no other elohim for Him to be the elohim OF.
As Paul said in 1 Cor 8:5, “as indeed there ARE many gods and many lords”.
Keep in mind that God said:Genesis 3:22
The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil.“Knowing good and evil” does not equal to being “God” ut as I was saying th concept of “gods” was introduced in that action. We all know that any reference to “gods” were false which is why Jesus says:
John 17:3
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.The word Elohim was actually a singular tense word meaning “The powers that be” i.e. Almighty.
The trick of Satan was to water down the effect of Almighty by diluting the strength of the meaning of who God is. You see Adam and Eve already knew what good and evil were because God taught them All the trees were good to ea from except the tree of “good and evil” so Adam and Eve were good and the tree was evil so Satan confused them by convincing them the tree was good and so upon eating from it they became aware that they commited evil.
There are no “gods”
Isaiah 44:8
Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one.”Quote (Colter @ Aug. 18 2013,05:06)
The Son is indistinguishable joined with the Father in eternity.Colter
Hi Colter,You mean when you meet Jesus you will ask him: “Are you the Father” –
“Because I can't distinguish between you and the Father?”God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2013,10:29) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 18 2013,05:06)
The Son is indistinguishable joined with the Father in eternity.Colter
Hi Colter,You mean when you meet Jesus you will ask him: “Are you the Father” –
“Because I can't distinguish between you and the Father?”God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Good question with obvious implications. After this life, as we grow and progress in spirit we will eventually pass through the Sons headquarter world and continue inwardly towards Paradice I assume we will be able to distinguish between them more.Colter
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 18 2013,11:07) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2013,10:29) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 18 2013,05:06)
The Son is indistinguishable joined with the Father in eternity.Colter
Hi Colter,You mean when you meet Jesus you will ask him: “Are you the Father” –
“Because I can't distinguish between you and the Father?”God bless
Ed J
Good question with obvious implications. After this life, as we grow and progress in spirit we will eventually pass through the Sons headquarter world and continue inwardly towards Paradice I assume we will be able to distinguish between them more.Colter
Hi Colter,I appreciate you answering the hard questions, because
I find most people here try hard to duck the hard questions.
So I do appreciate when my questions are actually answered.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Colter @ Aug. 18 2013,11:07) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2013,10:29) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 18 2013,05:06)
The Son is indistinguishable joined with the Father in eternity.Colter
Hi Colter,You mean when you meet Jesus you will ask him: “Are you the Father” –
“Because I can't distinguish between you and the Father?”God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Good question with obvious implications. After this life, as we grow and progress in spirit we will eventually pass through the Sons headquarter world and continue inwardly towards Paradice I assume we will be able to distinguish between them more.Colter
So, you cannot distinguish between them now?Can they distinguish between themselves?
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 18 2013,11:28) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 18 2013,11:07) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2013,10:29) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 18 2013,05:06)
The Son is indistinguishable joined with the Father in eternity.Colter
Hi Colter,You mean when you meet Jesus you will ask him: “Are you the Father” –
“Because I can't distinguish between you and the Father?”God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Good question with obvious implications. After this life, as we grow and progress in spirit we will eventually pass through the Sons headquarter world and continue inwardly towards Paradice I assume we will be able to distinguish between them more.Colter
So, you cannot distinguish between them now?Can they distinguish between themselves?
Sure they can, but for man it is an escersize in philosophical contemplation.Colter
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 16 2013,00:33) The Trinity didn't judge anyone for believing in the Trinity, but he did take away his protection of Israel after they rejected a Son of the Trinity incarnate.
When a person is brainwashed it can make a person believe in the absurd.“The Trinity didn't judge anyone for believing in the Trinity, but he did take away his protection of Israel…”
Look at how absurd that statement is.
The Trinity is 3 persons, and they are called HE.
Look at your family. How many persons are in your family? When someone talks of your family do they use the word HE?
No they don't. But to justify the Trinity and to make it fit the God of the Bible who is referred to has HE/HIM, Trinitarians invent this new ridiculous and unique concept where 3 persons are HE and your Urantia Religion concurs proving that it is also of the same foolish Babylonian root.
You have to be brainwashed to not see how absurd that is.
“Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.”
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 18 2013,12:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 18 2013,11:28) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 18 2013,11:07) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2013,10:29) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 18 2013,05:06)
The Son is indistinguishable joined with the Father in eternity.Colter
Hi Colter,You mean when you meet Jesus you will ask him: “Are you the Father” –
“Because I can't distinguish between you and the Father?”God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Good question with obvious implications. After this life, as we grow and progress in spirit we will eventually pass through the Sons headquarter world and continue inwardly towards Paradice I assume we will be able to distinguish between them more.Colter
So, you cannot distinguish between them now?Can they distinguish between themselves?
Sure they can, but for man it is an escersize in philosophical contemplation.Colter
If we are told one is greater than the other isn't it possible to distinguish? Why is it difficult for you to distinguish, or is it?Quote (t8 @ Aug. 18 2013,14:43) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 16 2013,00:33) The Trinity didn't judge anyone for believing in the Trinity, but he did take away his protection of Israel after they rejected a Son of the Trinity incarnate.
When a person is brainwashed it can make a person believe in the absurd.“The Trinity didn't judge anyone for believing in the Trinity, but he did take away his protection of Israel…”
Look at how absurd that statement is.
The Trinity is 3 persons, and they are called HE.
Look at your family. How many persons are in your family? When someone talks of your family do they use the word HE?
No they don't. But to justify the Trinity and to make it fit the God of the Bible who is referred to has HE/HIM, Trinitarians invent this new ridiculous and unique concept where 3 persons are HE and your Urantia Religion concurs proving that it is also of the same foolish Babylonian root.
You have to be brainwashed to not see how absurd that is.
“Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.”
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 18 2013,14:58) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 18 2013,12:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 18 2013,11:28) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 18 2013,11:07) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2013,10:29) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 18 2013,05:06)
The Son is indistinguishable joined with the Father in eternity.Colter
Hi Colter,You mean when you meet Jesus you will ask him: “Are you the Father” –
“Because I can't distinguish between you and the Father?”God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Good question with obvious implications. After this life, as we grow and progress in spirit we will eventually pass through the Sons headquarter world and continue inwardly towards Paradice I assume we will be able to distinguish between them more.Colter
So, you cannot distinguish between them now?Can they distinguish between themselves?
Sure they can, but for man it is an escersize in philosophical contemplation.Colter
If we are told one is greater than the other isn't it possible to distinguish? Why is it difficult for you to distinguish, or is it?
Only in a philosophical sense, When the Son of God became one of us we could then know more about the Father. The life of Jesus was a revelation of the Father.Colter
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 18 2013,22:38) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 18 2013,14:58) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 18 2013,12:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 18 2013,11:28) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 18 2013,11:07) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2013,10:29) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 18 2013,05:06)
The Son is indistinguishable joined with the Father in eternity.Colter
Hi Colter,You mean when you meet Jesus you will ask him: “Are you the Father” –
“Because I can't distinguish between you and the Father?”God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Good question with obvious implications. After this life, as we grow and progress in spirit we will eventually pass through the Sons headquarter world and continue inwardly towards Paradice I assume we will be able to distinguish between them more.Colter
So, you cannot distinguish between them now?Can they distinguish between themselves?
Sure they can, but for man it is an escersize in philosophical contemplation.Colter
If we are told one is greater than the other isn't it possible to distinguish? Why is it difficult for you to distinguish, or is it?
Only in a philosophical sense, When the Son of God became one of us we could then know more about the Father. The life of Jesus was a revelation of the Father.Colter
That would mean it has always been distinguishable because before Jesus there wasn't even the questionQuote (t8 @ Aug. 18 2013,14:43) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 16 2013,00:33) The Trinity didn't judge anyone for believing in the Trinity, but he did take away his protection of Israel after they rejected a Son of the Trinity incarnate.
When a person is brainwashed it can make a person believe in the absurd.“The Trinity didn't judge anyone for believing in the Trinity, but he did take away his protection of Israel…”
Look at how absurd that statement is.
The Trinity is 3 persons, and they are called HE.
Look at your family. How many persons are in your family? When someone talks of your family do they use the word HE?
No they don't. But to justify the Trinity and to make it fit the God of the Bible who is referred to has HE/HIM, Trinitarians invent this new ridiculous and unique concept where 3 persons are HE and your Urantia Religion concurs proving that it is also of the same foolish Babylonian root.
You have to be brainwashed to not see how absurd that is.
“Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.”
Then maybe you could have corrected Jesus t8 when he misspoke and mislead so many people, even his enemy's who used the occasion of his unfortunate command of language to put him to death.By default you aligne yourself with those who also thought Jesus was a fool and perhaps mad. They concluded his miracle working was from Satan.
Colter
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 18 2013,22:40) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 18 2013,22:38) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 18 2013,14:58) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 18 2013,12:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 18 2013,11:28) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 18 2013,11:07) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2013,10:29) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 18 2013,05:06)
The Son is indistinguishable joined with the Father in eternity.Colter
Hi Colter,You mean when you meet Jesus you will ask him: “Are you the Father” –
“Because I can't distinguish between you and the Father?”God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Good question with obvious implications. After this life, as we grow and progress in spirit we will eventually pass through the Sons headquarter world and continue inwardly towards Paradice I assume we will be able to distinguish between them more.Colter
So, you cannot distinguish between them now?Can they distinguish between themselves?
Sure they can, but for man it is an escersize in philosophical contemplation.Colter
If we are told one is greater than the other isn't it possible to distinguish? Why is it difficult for you to distinguish, or is it?
Only in a philosophical sense, When the Son of God became one of us we could then know more about the Father. The life of Jesus was a revelation of the Father.Colter
That would mean it has always been distinguishable because before Jesus there wasn't even the question
During the evolution of Judaism, the battle between the concept of the Oneness of the Elohim plurality, and the pantheism of the surrounding religions, lead the Hebrew mind to conceptualize the Lord God of Israel to be one solitary deity.Basically what you keep saying is that God can't be any more than >you< can understand him to be. That's how God gets created in mans own image. The deciples of Jesus loved and trusted him as they were slowly lead to the revelation of the true identity of the Son of Man. It was only latter in the development of the Christian church that small groups of believers began to doubt the divinity of Christ.
Colter
Son of Man means Divine being incarnate as human.
(1389.8) 126:3.5 This year Jesus was much troubled with confused thinking. Family responsibility had quite effectively removed all thought of immediately carrying out any plan for responding to the Jerusalem visitation directing him to “be about his Father’s business.” Jesus rightly reasoned that the watchcare of his earthly father’s family must take precedence of all duties; that the support of his family must become his first obligation.
(1390.1) 126:3.6 In the course of this year Jesus found a passage in the so-called Book of Enoch which influenced him in the later adoption of the term “Son of Man” as a designation for his bestowal mission on Urantia. He had thoroughly considered the idea of the Jewish Messiah and was firmly convinced that he was not to be that Messiah. He longed to help his father’s people, but he never expected to lead Jewish armies in overthrowing the foreign domination of Palestine. He knew he would never sit on the throne of David at Jerusalem. Neither did he believe that his mission was that of a spiritual deliverer or moral teacher solely to the Jewish people. In no sense, therefore, could his life mission be the fulfillment of the intense longings and supposed Messianic prophecies of the Hebrew scriptures; at least, not as the Jews understood these predictions of the prophets. Likewise he was certain he was never to appear as the Son of Man depicted by the Prophet Daniel.
(1390.2) 126:3.7 But when the time came for him to go forth as a world teacher, what would he call himself? What claim should he make concerning his mission? By what name would he be called by the people who would become believers in his teachings?
(1390.3) 126:3.8 While turning all these problems over in his mind, he found in the synagogue library at Nazareth, among the apocalyptic books which he had been studying, this manuscript called “The Book of Enoch”; and though he was certain that it had not been written by Enoch of old, it proved very intriguing to him, and he read and reread it many times. There was one passage which particularly impressed him, a passage in which this term “Son of Man” appeared. The writer of this so-called Book of Enoch went on to tell about this Son of Man, describing the work he would do on earth and explaining that this Son of Man, before coming down on this earth to bring salvation to mankind, had walked through the courts of heavenly glory with his Father, the Father of all; and that he had turned his back upon all this grandeur and glory to come down on earth to proclaim salvation to needy mortals. As Jesus would read these passages (well understanding that much of the Eastern mysticism which had become admixed with these teachings was erroneous), he responded in his heart and recognized in his mind that of all the Messianic predictions of the Hebrew scriptures and of all the theories about the Jewish deliverer, none was so near the truth as this story tucked away in this only partially accredited Book of Enoch; and he then and there decided to adopt as his inaugural title “the Son of Man.” And this he did when he subsequently began his public work. Jesus had an unerring ability for the recognition of truth, and truth he never hesitated to embrace, no matter from what source it appeared to emanate.
(1390.4) 126:3.9 By this time he had quite thoroughly settled many things about his forthcoming work for the world, but he said nothing of these matters to his mother, who still held stoutly to the idea of his being the Jewish Messiah.
(1390.5) 126:3.10 The great confusion of Jesus’ younger days now arose. Having settled something about the nature of his mission on earth, “to be about his Father’s business” — to show forth his Father’s loving nature to all mankind — he began to ponder anew the many statements in the Scriptures referring to the coming of a national deliverer, a Jewish teacher or king. To what event did these prophecies refer? Was not he a Jew? or was he? Was he or was he not of the house of David? His mother averred he was; his father had ruled that he was not. He decided he was not. But had the prophets confused the nature and mission of the Messiah?
(1391.1) 126:3.11 After all, could it be possible that his mother was right? In most matters, when differences of opinion had arisen in the past, she had been right. If he were a new teacher and not the Messiah, then how should he recognize the Jewish Messiah if such a one should appear in Jerusalem during the time of his earth mission; and, further, what should be his relation to this Jewish Messiah? And what should be his relation, after embarking on his life mission, to his family? to the Jewish commonwealth and religion? to the Roman Empire? to the gentiles and their religions? Each of these momentous problems this young Galilean turned over in his mind and seriously pondered while he continued to work at the carpenter’s bench, laboriously making a living for himself, his mother, and eight other hungry mouths.
(1391.2) 126:3.12 Before the end of this year Mary saw the family funds diminishing. She turned the sale of doves over to James. Presently they bought a second cow, and with the aid of Miriam they began the sale of milk to their Nazareth neighbors.
(1391.3) 126:3.13 His profound periods of meditation, his frequent journeys to the hilltop for prayer, and the many strange ideas which Jesus advanced from time to time, thoroughly alarmed his mother. Sometimes she thought the lad was beside himself, and then she would steady her fears, remembering that he was, after all, a child of promise and in some manner different from other youths.
(1391.4) 126:3.14 But Jesus was learning not to speak of all his thoughts, not to present all his ideas to the world, not even to his own mother. From this year on, Jesus’ disclosures about what was going on in his mind steadily diminished; that is, he talked less about those things which an average person could not grasp, and which would lead to his being regarded as peculiar or different from ordinary folks. To all appearances he became commonplace and conventional, though he did long for someone who could understand his problems. He craved a trustworthy and confidential friend, but his problems were too complex for his human associates to comprehend. The uniqueness of the unusual situation compelled him to bear his burdens alone.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 17 2013,16:51) We all know that any reference to “gods” were false which is why Jesus says: John 17:3
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
The gods in Gen 3:5 (also the “one of us” in 3:22) are the spirit sons of Jehovah – the ones we commonly call “angels”. They are referred to as gods many times in scripture.The phrase “only true god” is not meant to be literal, for Jesus himself was called a god at least 4 times in scripture. And Satan is called a god by both Paul and Jehovah Himself.
Instead, it is more like me saying, “Jehovah is the only true savior”. He is, after all, on an emphatic level, the ONLY true savior. And just like Jehovah emphatically said there is no elohim besides Him in the scripture you quoted, He also said there is no savior besides Him in Isaiah 43:11.
Yet we know from scripture that He SENT many other saviors, including Jesus Christ. So after weighing the evidence, was Jehovah speaking LITERALLY in Is 43:11? Or EMPHATICALLY?
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 17 2013,16:51) There are no “gods”
Then scripture is wrong that Jehovah is the MOST HIGH god. And scripture is wrong that Jehovah is the god OF gods.Quote (Colter @ Aug. 17 2013,11:58) We are asked to trust him even though the higher things of God are difficult to “conceptualize” and understand. The Urantia papers are an attempt to explain more at this time of impending world crisis.
I do trust Jesus, Colter. I trust him when he says he is the Son OF God. I and Jesus both know how human beings understand the words “father” and “son”. I don't believe Jesus would have taught that he is the Son OF the being we know as “God” if he was really a manifestation of God Himself. I'm sure Jesus would have known how CONFUSING it would be to his human pupils to call himself the Son OF God when he was in fact God Himself manifested.In other words, Jesus could have simply told THE TRUTH and said he was God manifested in an earthly body………. if that was in fact the case. But instead he taught that he was the Son OF God, and continually DISTINGUISHED himself FROM “God”.
If you are correct, and Jesus was really the earthly manifestation of God Himself, then when Jesus prayed to the Father, he was in reality praying TO HIMSELF. In reality, he would have been asking HIMSELF to take the cup away from HIMSELF.
There are many scriptures that DIRECTLY contradict your teaching……….. compared to the one or two you use to support it. And even those ones you use to support it aren't really any kind of support at all. For example, the words “the Father is in me” is support of MY understanding that Jesus is someone OTHER THAN the Father. Yet even though those words DON'T support YOUR understanding at all, you keep using them – as if they're all you have.
Colter, the scripture you keep using over and over supports OUR understanding – not YOURS.
I personally agree with some of the UB statements that you've posted on this site. For example, I also find it hard to believe that Adam was literally the first humanoid being who existed on earth. Not only is this seemingly prohibited by carbon dating, but the scriptures themselves do not seem to bear this out. I believe Adam was the first being to be called “adam” by the writers of scripture, but I believe it is more a case of the word “adam” referring to the first enlightened humanoid. Like perhaps he represented the first humanoid that God created with a conscience, or higher intelligence or something.
And there are other things that I also agree with. But the fact that the writer of the UB and I both have similar understandings about certain scriptural things does not make me think this book was “inspired”, anymore than it makes me think I'm some kind of a prophet of God.
And this “Trinity” thing just blows any UB credibility out of the water for me.
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
