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Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 15 2013,01:08) Gods right hand can not act without Gods will.
Nor can the one who sits at the right hand OF God BE the very God at whose right hand he sits.This should be common sense for all of us.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 16 2013,12:46) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 15 2013,01:08) Gods right hand can not act without Gods will.
Nor can the one who sits at the right hand OF God BE the very God at whose right hand he sits.This should be common sense for all of us.
Here we have Mike telling God that God cannot have an eternal Son because mikes finite mind cannot understand theses things. This should also demonstrate how God tends to get created in mans own image.Colter
Colter, how did God expect us humans to understand a father/son relationship? How did He expect us to understand someone sitting at His right hand?
Is it your claim that God used “father” and “son” to confuse us? And only certain “special” people can see past the words and their generally accepted meanings, allowing only those few to understand the “real” meaning that this particular “father” and “son” were in fact the same exact being?
Is that your claim? That God intended to CONFUSE us?
Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 15 2013,18:08) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 15 2013,13:45) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 15 2013,13:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 15 2013,12:53) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 15 2013,12:34) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 15 2013,12:24) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 15 2013,12:17) Quote (t8 @ Aug. 15 2013,11:17) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 15 2013,13:03) I've never said that Jesus was God the Father-(the first source and center) Jesus is the Son of God (thats not being a Son of himself) he is a personification of the Father, he was with the Father in the begining, in eternity.
You missed the point.God Jesus and the Spirit means that Jesus is not God.
You believe in a Trinity that includes Jesus as God.
No one is accusing you of saying that Jesus is the Father.
It is about Jesus being God. Scripture is clear. Jesus is the son of God. This is the foundation of the Church which is the Body of Christ. Whereas the Trinity is the foundation of the harlot church.
No, your cherry picking of the scripture is clear to ->you<-! Their are many Trinitarians in the world who disagree with what you have convinced yourself is so "clear". Jesus is in heaven right now as Lord and God weather you have faith in that or not.Colter
Okay, so you say Jesus is lord and God, correct?So, does Jesus have a God?
Jeus is a divine creator who has a Father. He and the Father are one in divinity, to see him is to see the Father. NO ONE gets to the Father except through the Son. While voluntarily incarnate on the earth as a human Jesus was subject to the will of his Father. In doing so the Son has now experienced being Human, he is now and forever more both Human and divine.Jeus the Son has always been the way, he didn't become a new way, a mediator. Jesus never called himself a mediator, he referred to himself by divine rite, with power and authority.
Colter
So, does Jesus have a God? Yes or NOsaying he has a Father is not really answering, is “His Father” his God does his Father have authority over him?
Yes, You could say the Father has authority over him? Jesus is just like his Father? Jesus is a divine being, he is unified with his Father as a creator. Jesus does as his Father does. But because Jesus is himself a God it's not appropriate to say he has a God, for he and God are indistinguishable.Colter
So you agree that in Rank/Degree Jesus is not equal to “Father”?Also, If a portion of a unit is not equal to the whole of itself how can that unit be indivisible?
You see, If the Father gives ALL authority to the son it would not include the authority of the Father who gave it to him because if it did he woul not need the Father to give the Authority to him, correct?
Boditharta.Gods right hand can not act without Gods will.
wakeup.
Did you read my post? that is exactly what I am saying.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 16 2013,13:24) Colter, how did God expect us humans to understand a father/son relationship? How did He expect us to understand someone sitting at His right hand? Is it your claim that God used “father” and “son” to confuse us? And only certain “special” people can see past the words and their generally accepted meanings, allowing only those few to understand the “real” meaning that this particular “father” and “son” were in fact the same exact being?
Is that your claim? That God intended to CONFUSE us?
There isno doubt in my mind that colter really does understand after scrutiny realized there are serious problems with the doctrine he believes but he has invested too much time and admiraion for it to have the flexibility to listen.He should easily be able to recognize that only ONE BEING would or could have a Sovereign Right above all others.
When we see:
Psalm 86:10
For thou art great, and doest wondrous things: thou art God alone.Mark 12:32
And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:And your god is one God. There is no deity [worthy of worship] except Him, the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #163)
They have certainly disbelieved who say, “Allah is the third of three.” And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #73)
Say, “What thing is greatest in testimony?” Say, “Allah is witness between me and you. And this Qur'an was revealed to me that I may warn you thereby and whomever it reaches. Do you [truly] testify that with Allah there are other deities?” Say, “I will not testify [with you].” Say, “Indeed, He is but one God, and indeed, I am free of what you associate [with Him].”
( سورة الأنعام , Al-Anaam, Chapter #6, Verse #19)
Colter has been deceived by SATAN and I am not saying that as an attack the proof is in the scriptures
Genesis 3:5
for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.The lie is not in knowing good and evil the lie is in the word “gods”
Likewise colter believes that he obtained some knowledge that made him like the “gods” r at the least believe in “the gods”
They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah, and [also] the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.
( سورة التوبة , At-Taubah, Chapter #9, Verse #31)
And Allah has said, “Do not take for yourselves two deities. He is but one God, so fear only Me.”
( سورة النحل , An-Nahl, Chapter #16, Verse #51)
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, “We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.”
( سورة العنكبوت , Al-Ankaboot, Chapter #29, Verse #46)
The God of mankind,
( سورة الناس , An-Nas, Chapter #114, Verse #3)
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 16 2013,13:24) Colter, how did God expect us humans to understand a father/son relationship? How did He expect us to understand someone sitting at His right hand? Is it your claim that God used “father” and “son” to confuse us? And only certain “special” people can see past the words and their generally accepted meanings, allowing only those few to understand the “real” meaning that this particular “father” and “son” were in fact the same exact being?
Is that your claim? That God intended to CONFUSE us?
Answer: Because you have an earth Father and an earth mother and then there is you, between the three of you there is “relation” God is referred to as Father because that is our best and highest conceivable concept even though God is much more then a Father and a Mother. For now these represent our highest concepts of deity.Colter
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 16 2013,15:22) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 16 2013,13:24) Colter, how did God expect us humans to understand a father/son relationship? How did He expect us to understand someone sitting at His right hand? Is it your claim that God used “father” and “son” to confuse us? And only certain “special” people can see past the words and their generally accepted meanings, allowing only those few to understand the “real” meaning that this particular “father” and “son” were in fact the same exact being?
Is that your claim? That God intended to CONFUSE us?
There isno doubt in my mind that colter really does understand after scrutiny realized there are serious problems with the doctrine he believes but he has invested too much time and admiraion for it to have the flexibility to listen.He should easily be able to recognize that only ONE BEING would or could have a Sovereign Right above all others.
When we see:
Psalm 86:10
For thou art great, and doest wondrous things: thou art God alone.Mark 12:32
And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:And your god is one God. There is no deity [worthy of worship] except Him, the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #163)
They have certainly disbelieved who say, “Allah is the third of three.” And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #73)
Say, “What thing is greatest in testimony?” Say, “Allah is witness between me and you. And this Qur'an was revealed to me that I may warn you thereby and whomever it reaches. Do you [truly] testify that with Allah there are other deities?” Say, “I will not testify [with you].” Say, “Indeed, He is but one God, and indeed, I am free of what you associate [with Him].”
( سورة الأنعام , Al-Anaam, Chapter #6, Verse #19)
Colter has been deceived by SATAN and I am not saying that as an attack the proof is in the scriptures
Genesis 3:5
for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.The lie is not in knowing good and evil the lie is in the word “gods”
Likewise colter believes that he obtained some knowledge that made him like the “gods” r at the least believe in “the gods”
They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah, and [also] the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.
( سورة التوبة , At-Taubah, Chapter #9, Verse #31)
And Allah has said, “Do not take for yourselves two deities. He is but one God, so fear only Me.”
( سورة النحل , An-Nahl, Chapter #16, Verse #51)
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, “We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.”
( سورة العنكبوت , Al-Ankaboot, Chapter #29, Verse #46)
The God of mankind,
( سورة الناس , An-Nas, Chapter #114, Verse #3)
That's what the Jews said about Jesus, that he got his power from Satan.. What about your belief in Satan.?(640.3) 56:4.4 While God is to and in the universes all that we have portrayed, nevertheless, to you and to all other God-knowing creatures he is one, your Father and their Father. To personality God cannot be plural. God is Father to each of his creatures, and it is literally impossible for any child to have more than one father.
(640.4) 56:4.5 Philosophically, cosmically, and with reference to differential levels and locations of manifestation, you may and perforce must conceive of the functioning of plural Deities and postulate the existence of plural Trinities; but in the worshipful experience of the personal contact of every worshiping personality throughout the master universe, God is one; and that unified and personal Deity is our Paradise parent, God the Father, the bestower, conservator, and Father of all personalities from mortal man on the inhabited worlds to the Eternal Son on the central Isle of Light.
5. Deity Unity
(640.5) 56:5.1 The oneness, the indivisibility, of Paradise Deity is existential and absolute. There are three eternal personalizations of Deity — the Universal Father, the Eternal Son, and the Infinite Spirit — but in the Paradise Trinity they are actually one Deity, undivided and indivisible.
colter
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 16 2013,18:25) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 16 2013,13:24) Colter, how did God expect us humans to understand a father/son relationship? How did He expect us to understand someone sitting at His right hand? Is it your claim that God used “father” and “son” to confuse us? And only certain “special” people can see past the words and their generally accepted meanings, allowing only those few to understand the “real” meaning that this particular “father” and “son” were in fact the same exact being?
Is that your claim? That God intended to CONFUSE us?
Answer: Because you have an earth Father and an earth mother and then there is you, between the three of you there is “relation” God is referred to as Father because that is our best and highest conceivable concept even though God is much more then a Father and a Mother. For now these represent our highest concepts of deity.Colter
Actually that is not our highest concept, in Islam there is no use of the lacking term “Father” the highter term “Guardian-Lord” is much higher and clearer.O ye people! Adore your guardian-Lord, who created you and those who came before you, that ye may have the chance to learn righteousness;
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #21)
O mankind! reverence your guardian-Lord, who created you from a single person, created, of like nature, His mate, and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women;- reverence Allah, through whom ye demand your mutual (rights), and (reverence) the wombs (That bore you): for Allah ever watches over you.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #1)
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 16 2013,19:01) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 16 2013,15:22) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 16 2013,13:24) Colter, how did God expect us humans to understand a father/son relationship? How did He expect us to understand someone sitting at His right hand? Is it your claim that God used “father” and “son” to confuse us? And only certain “special” people can see past the words and their generally accepted meanings, allowing only those few to understand the “real” meaning that this particular “father” and “son” were in fact the same exact being?
Is that your claim? That God intended to CONFUSE us?
There isno doubt in my mind that colter really does understand after scrutiny realized there are serious problems with the doctrine he believes but he has invested too much time and admiraion for it to have the flexibility to listen.He should easily be able to recognize that only ONE BEING would or could have a Sovereign Right above all others.
When we see:
Psalm 86:10
For thou art great, and doest wondrous things: thou art God alone.Mark 12:32
And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:And your god is one God. There is no deity [worthy of worship] except Him, the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #163)
They have certainly disbelieved who say, “Allah is the third of three.” And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #73)
Say, “What thing is greatest in testimony?” Say, “Allah is witness between me and you. And this Qur'an was revealed to me that I may warn you thereby and whomever it reaches. Do you [truly] testify that with Allah there are other deities?” Say, “I will not testify [with you].” Say, “Indeed, He is but one God, and indeed, I am free of what you associate [with Him].”
( سورة الأنعام , Al-Anaam, Chapter #6, Verse #19)
Colter has been deceived by SATAN and I am not saying that as an attack the proof is in the scriptures
Genesis 3:5
for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.The lie is not in knowing good and evil the lie is in the word “gods”
Likewise colter believes that he obtained some knowledge that made him like the “gods” r at the least believe in “the gods”
They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah, and [also] the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.
( سورة التوبة , At-Taubah, Chapter #9, Verse #31)
And Allah has said, “Do not take for yourselves two deities. He is but one God, so fear only Me.”
( سورة النحل , An-Nahl, Chapter #16, Verse #51)
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, “We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.”
( سورة العنكبوت , Al-Ankaboot, Chapter #29, Verse #46)
The God of mankind,
( سورة الناس , An-Nas, Chapter #114, Verse #3)
That's what the Jews said about Jesus, that he got his power from Satan.. What about your belief in Satan.?(640.3) 56:4.4 While God is to and in the universes all that we have portrayed, nevertheless, to you and to all other God-knowing creatures he is one, your Father and their Father. To personality God cannot be plural. God is Father to each of his creatures, and it is literally impossible for any child to have more than one father.
(640.4) 56:4.5 Philosophically, cosmically, and with reference to differential levels and locations of manifestation, you may and perforce must conceive of the functioning of plural Deities and postulate the existence of plural Trinities; but in the worshipful experience of the personal contact of every worshiping personality throughout the master universe, God is one; and that unified and personal Deity is our Paradise parent, God the Father, the bestower, conservator, and Father of all personalities from mortal man on the inhabited worlds to the Eternal Son on the central Isle of Light.
5. Deity Unity
(640.5) 56:5.1 The oneness, the indivisibility, of Paradise Deity is existential and absolute. There are three eternal personalizations of Deity — the Universal Father, the Eternal Son, and the Infinite Spirit — but in the Paradise Trinity they are actually one Deity, undivided and indivisible.
colter
O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not “trinity”: desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171)
This is my point you can't help but misrepresent God using the type of terminology the book uses
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 16 2013,23:24) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 16 2013,18:25) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 16 2013,13:24) Colter, how did God expect us humans to understand a father/son relationship? How did He expect us to understand someone sitting at His right hand? Is it your claim that God used “father” and “son” to confuse us? And only certain “special” people can see past the words and their generally accepted meanings, allowing only those few to understand the “real” meaning that this particular “father” and “son” were in fact the same exact being?
Is that your claim? That God intended to CONFUSE us?
Answer: Because you have an earth Father and an earth mother and then there is you, between the three of you there is “relation” God is referred to as Father because that is our best and highest conceivable concept even though God is much more then a Father and a Mother. For now these represent our highest concepts of deity.Colter
Actually that is not our highest concept, in Islam there is no use of the lacking term “Father” the highter term “Guardian-Lord” is much higher and clearer.O ye people! Adore your guardian-Lord, who created you and those who came before you, that ye may have the chance to learn righteousness;
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #21)
O mankind! reverence your guardian-Lord, who created you from a single person, created, of like nature, His mate, and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women;- reverence Allah, through whom ye demand your mutual (rights), and (reverence) the wombs (That bore you): for Allah ever watches over you.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #1)
What is a guardian Lord like? He's like a Father
In concept.Colter
God is spirit, his divine Sons are an indistinguishable representation of God. It's only in philosophy that we make the distinction, in actuality they are all just God to us. I understand the concept and I'm so great full that I'm not limited by the dogma of those who aren't open minded.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 17 2013,00:54) What is a guardian Lord like? He's like a Father In concept.Colter
The concept is higher because first of all it dismisses gender and second of all it demonstrates the action of Protection and care. The point is to say that Guardian is a much more clear term in relation to God.Quote (Colter @ Aug. 17 2013,00:59) God is spirit, his divine Sons are an indistinguishable representation of God. It's only in philosophy that we make the distinction, in actuality they are all just God to us. I understand the concept and I'm so great full that I'm not limited by the dogma of those who aren't open minded. Colter
Representation is not Identification even if indistinguishable to the observer.Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 17 2013,02:19) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 17 2013,00:59) God is spirit, his divine Sons are an indistinguishable representation of God. It's only in philosophy that we make the distinction, in actuality they are all just God to us. I understand the concept and I'm so great full that I'm not limited by the dogma of those who aren't open minded. Colter
Representation is not Identification even if indistinguishable to the observer.
In the case of Jesus Christ you are wrong, “I am in the Father and the Father is in me” “If you have seen me, you have seen the Father.”Just as Triune deity created man in it's image, Unqualified Absolute the source of Father-Son-Spirit, so is man endowed with an unpersonified fragment of the Father, these are called the Thought Adjusters.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 17 2013,02:59) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 17 2013,02:19) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 17 2013,00:59) God is spirit, his divine Sons are an indistinguishable representation of God. It's only in philosophy that we make the distinction, in actuality they are all just God to us. I understand the concept and I'm so great full that I'm not limited by the dogma of those who aren't open minded. Colter
Representation is not Identification even if indistinguishable to the observer.
In the case of Jesus Christ you are wrong, “I am in the Father and the Father is in me” “If you have seen me, you have seen the Father.”Just as Triune deity created man in it's image, Unqualified Absolute the source of Father-Son-Spirit, so is man endowed with an unpersonified fragment of the Father, these are called the Thought Adjusters.
Colter
Jesus could not have been talking literally because it is clear:1 John 4:12
No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.Why did you think that was aliteral statement? Jesus says he and his disciples are one as well
1.John 17:23
I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.So Jesus made the same statement regarding his disciples therefore your logic has failed.
If Jesus is in the Father and the Father in him and Jesus is in his disciples and God is in them then either the point is unity of purpose or you have a huge problem because the would ALL be God according to your view of thescripture you quoted
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 17 2013,07:12) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 17 2013,02:59) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 17 2013,02:19) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 17 2013,00:59) God is spirit, his divine Sons are an indistinguishable representation of God. It's only in philosophy that we make the distinction, in actuality they are all just God to us. I understand the concept and I'm so great full that I'm not limited by the dogma of those who aren't open minded. Colter
Representation is not Identification even if indistinguishable to the observer.
In the case of Jesus Christ you are wrong, “I am in the Father and the Father is in me” “If you have seen me, you have seen the Father.”Just as Triune deity created man in it's image, Unqualified Absolute the source of Father-Son-Spirit, so is man endowed with an unpersonified fragment of the Father, these are called the Thought Adjusters.
Colter
Jesus could not have been talking literally because it is clear:1 John 4:12
No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.Why did you think that was aliteral statement? Jesus says he and his disciples are one as well
1.John 17:23
I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.So Jesus made the same statement regarding his disciples therefore your logic has failed.
If Jesus is in the Father and the Father in him and Jesus is in his disciples and God is in them then either the point is unity of purpose or you have a huge problem because the would ALL be God according to your view of thescripture you quoted
The Jews heard Jesus and concluded the same thing, so your argument that it's all a matter of misunderstanding Words today is failed logic. I see you are cherry picking the scriptures again to support your unbelief. John 1 teaches Jesus was with God in the begining.Colter
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 17 2013,12:27) The Jews heard Jesus and concluded the same thing, so your argument that it's all a matter of misunderstanding Words today is failed logic. I see you are cherry picking the scriptures again to support your unbelief. John 1 teaches Jesus was with God in the begining. Colter
John 1 does not teach that ca you show me where it says Jesus was with God in the beginning? Of course not! The sripture says the word was with God and the word became flesh. note it does not say the beginning of time because God does not have a beginning. So in the beginning of the story of Jesus there was the word and the word was with God and the Word was God and the word became flesh.That does not mean God became flesh. point in case God said let there be light and the word became light God was not the light or the other creations he commanded through His Word
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 17 2013,15:18) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 17 2013,12:27) The Jews heard Jesus and concluded the same thing, so your argument that it's all a matter of misunderstanding Words today is failed logic. I see you are cherry picking the scriptures again to support your unbelief. John 1 teaches Jesus was with God in the begining. Colter
John 1 does not teach that ca you show me where it says Jesus was with God in the beginning? Of course not! The sripture says the word was with God and the word became flesh. note it does not say the beginning of time because God does not have a beginning. So in the beginning of the story of Jesus there was the word and the word was with God and the Word was God and the word became flesh.That does not mean God became flesh. point in case God said let there be light and the word became light God was not the light or the other creations he commanded through His Word
John is making a philosophical consesion to illustrate that The Son was with the Father in eternity and that the Son is the Father of our world.Colter
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 16 2013,19:27) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 17 2013,07:12) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 17 2013,02:59) In the case of Jesus Christ you are wrong, “I am in the Father and the Father is in me” “If you have seen me, you have seen the Father.”
Jesus could not have been talking literally because it is clear:1 John 4:12
No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.John 17:23
I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one;………..So Jesus made the same statement regarding his disciples therefore your logic has failed.
If Jesus is in the Father and the Father in him and Jesus is in his disciples and God is in them then either the point is unity of purpose or you have a huge problem because the would ALL be God according to your view of thescripture you quoted
I see you are cherry picking the scriptures again to support your unbelief.
Aren't YOU cherry picking “I am in the Father”, Colter?It seems Asana has clearly and SCRIPTURALLY showed you that being “in the Father” or having the Father “be in you” is NOT the equivalent of “I AM NOW GOD HIMSELF” – as you seem to claim.
Just think it out. If God is IN Jesus, then Jesus must, by necessity, be someone OTHER THAN God. God cannot be IN Himself.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 15 2013,22:22) He should easily be able to recognize that only ONE BEING would or could have a Sovereign Right above all others.
Agreed. Jesus either IS the Most High God, or he is the Son of the Most High God. Scripture teaches only one of these things.Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 15 2013,22:22) Genesis 3:5
for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.The lie is not in knowing good and evil the lie is in the word “gods”
In this case, Satan WAS telling the truth, because God went on to say:Genesis 3:22
The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil.Satan, Jesus, angels, demons, and Jehovah are all called elohim in scripture. Consider that Jehovah couldn't be the MOST HIGH elohim if there existed no less high elohim. Nor could He be the elohim OF elohim if there existed no other elohim for Him to be the elohim OF.
As Paul said in 1 Cor 8:5, “as indeed there ARE many gods and many lords”.
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