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Thanks Asana.
Even the explanation Colter just gave makes no sense. The Hebrew genealogies trace Noah all the way back to Adam anyway – flood or no flood.
So if they lied to bring Noah to Adam, then why did they NEED to invent the flood to do this?
It is definitely an oversight by the men who wrote the UB, IMO.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 13 2013,12:23) Thanks Asana. Even the explanation Colter just gave makes no sense. The Hebrew genealogies trace Noah all the way back to Adam anyway – flood or no flood.
So if they lied to bring Noah to Adam, then why did they NEED to invent the flood to do this?
It is definitely an oversight by the men who wrote the UB, IMO.
They have a massive amount of oversights a good example of this is not really delving into Islam and why that would be important is that Islam obviously makes declarations that would be extreme such as “God has no son and Jesus was saved from the cross by God”The problem is at thetime the Urantia Book was written Islam was not that known in the U.S. my point is any huge compilation of so called other worldly beings would have certainly metioned those things as if they were true or false, I mean the book is HUGE and the information about Islam which was growing by leaps and bounds at the time this so called revelation came down is almost completely absent in the book.
If the Quran is true they would have supported it and if the Quran was false they would have utterly condemned it but neither happened and that's how I see it as a “False revelation”
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 13 2013,14:15) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 13 2013,12:23) Thanks Asana. Even the explanation Colter just gave makes no sense. The Hebrew genealogies trace Noah all the way back to Adam anyway – flood or no flood.
So if they lied to bring Noah to Adam, then why did they NEED to invent the flood to do this?
It is definitely an oversight by the men who wrote the UB, IMO.
They have a massive amount of oversights a good example of this is not really delving into Islam and why that would be important is that Islam obviously makes declarations that would be extreme such as “God has no son and Jesus was saved from the cross by God”The problem is at thetime the Urantia Book was written Islam was not that known in the U.S. my point is any huge compilation of so called other worldly beings would have certainly metioned those things as if they were true or false, I mean the book is HUGE and the information about Islam which was growing by leaps and bounds at the time this so called revelation came down is almost completely absent in the book.
If the Quran is true they would have supported it and if the Quran was false they would have utterly condemned it but neither happened and that's how I see it as a “False revelation”
Boditharta.Any religion that is popular is of this world,
for the world loved its own.
True believers are put in a corner,and hated,because they also hated the Lord.
Jesus said: they will hate you, because they hated me.wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 13 2013,12:23) Thanks Asana. Even the explanation Colter just gave makes no sense. The Hebrew genealogies trace Noah all the way back to Adam anyway – flood or no flood.
So if they lied to bring Noah to Adam, then why did they NEED to invent the flood to do this?
It is definitely an oversight by the men who wrote the UB, IMO.
Mike, I didn't say the Hebrew editors were being smart, the UB just explains what their thinking was. The story itself is a weakness for the Bible; the UB has a far greater and detailed story of creation by the process of evolution. The editors left other clues to their editing, but again, it wasn't until the Jews returned to Israel that the priest claimed the new books were “scripture” and hence the “word of God.” To this day the Jews still stumble over the exaggerations in their so called scriptures that were redone during the captivity period.Colter
Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 13 2013,14:15) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 13 2013,12:23) Thanks Asana. Even the explanation Colter just gave makes no sense. The Hebrew genealogies trace Noah all the way back to Adam anyway – flood or no flood.
So if they lied to bring Noah to Adam, then why did they NEED to invent the flood to do this?
It is definitely an oversight by the men who wrote the UB, IMO.
They have a massive amount of oversights a good example of this is not really delving into Islam and why that would be important is that Islam obviously makes declarations that would be extreme such as “God has no son and Jesus was saved from the cross by God”The problem is at thetime the Urantia Book was written Islam was not that known in the U.S. my point is any huge compilation of so called other worldly beings would have certainly metioned those things as if they were true or false, I mean the book is HUGE and the information about Islam which was growing by leaps and bounds at the time this so called revelation came down is almost completely absent in the book.
If the Quran is true they would have supported it and if the Quran was false they would have utterly condemned it but neither happened and that's how I see it as a “False revelation”
The UB explains that all religions contain elements of “spiritual truth”, some have more historic, factual truth than others. There is no one religion that has all its facts right, but each religion tends to think it is the only right religion. So the revelators give credit where it is due and criticism as well. The “chosen people” delusion is a product of human egotism. No people have suffered more from this unfortunate racial pride then the Jews. That’s where Christianity gets it's arrogance from at least as an institution.In the UB story, before Jesus began his public teaching, he traveled extensively as a tutor and caravan leader. While at Lake Urmia, which is in modern day Iran, Jesus gave a series of talks in a community of religious scholars. I will start a thread on The Urmia Lectures.
Colter
It is so discouraging to talk with sincere religious people who stubbornly hold onto these stories of the priest class, who never claimed to be writing the word of God. This thinking that God became disappointed in what he had created, killed every living thing….except a descendant of the Hebrews who wrote the story, then decided he would never do that again, it's soooo human in thinking!!! Do ANY other races of the world claim to have come from the Jews?
How about Chinese Jews, they have written records going back 4,000 years. How about Aboriginal Jews??? They've been in Australia for 50,000 years!……and before that they migrated from an even older group! No tradition whatsoever of coming from Noah’s kids. Is it any wonder that secularists and atheistic scientist have gained so much ground in the world?
Colter
The Lord smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: “Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 14 2013,00:26) The Lord smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: “Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done. Colter
Colter.You must learn to quote scriptures correctly.
The *WATERS* shall no more become a flood
to destroy *ALL FLESH*.TWISTING SCRIPTURES FOR OWN GAIN WILL GET YOU NOWHERE.
wakeup.
Quote (t8 @ Aug. 11 2013,23:43) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 12 2013,03:07) Interesting! Yet your faith rest in three, the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost, Right?
You do believe that the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost are ONE don't you?
You do believe in the three as the means by which you are saved don't you?
So in reality you believe in a Trinity also, just a different version of it, hey?
WJ
You've been posting here for how many years, and you make a post like this. Just shows you that nothing is retained in your understanding and always arguing the same old stuff at base one.I will give you a clue.
1 Timothy 5:21
“I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels”.Now let's look at your question and relate it to the above.
Yet your faith rest in three, the Father, Son and the Elect Angels, Right?
Now for the truth. I believe that there is a Father, Son, and Elect Angels. Do I believe they are one being? No.
Now apply this wisdom to your question and please do not ask this again.
Nevertheless t8I don't believe I have to have the elect angels to be saved and neither do you, or do you?
Your religion still requires a trinity for your salvation.
So your little diversions don't work.
Is it not true that you believe that you cannot be saved or redeemed without the Father, Son and Holy Spirit?
If you are honest you would fess up and say “yes it is true that without the trinity, the Father Son and the Holy Spirit I couldn't be saved'.
It doesn't matter whether you believe they are “One Being”, what matters is if you do not have the “three” you are none of his.
Here is a little scriptural test for you, but I adventure to say you will not answer the questions, but here goes anyway…
Can you be saved without the Father?
Can you be saved without the Son?
Can you be saved without the Holy Spirit?
In case you need help, the scriptural answers to the questions are “NO”.
Is that right or not?
WJ
Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 14 2013,01:11) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 14 2013,00:26) The Lord smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: “Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done. Colter
Colter.You must learn to quote scriptures correctly.
The *WATERS* shall no more become a flood
to destroy *ALL FLESH*.TWISTING SCRIPTURES FOR OWN GAIN WILL GET YOU NOWHERE.
wakeup.
That IS a direct quote from the NIV of the fables of the Hebrews:Gen 8:20
20 Then Noah built an altar to the Lord and, taking some of all the clean animals and clean birds, he sacrificed burnt offerings on it. 21 The Lord smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: “Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though[a] every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 12 2013,19:09) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 12 2013,17:42) No It just means you believe in a trinity also for your salvation, right?
How many words did Jesus himself write down for later generations, Keith?
MikeTwo thirds of the NT was written by Paul and he said the revelation was given to him from Jesus! Your point is?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 12 2013,19:09) Who is it that told us there is only one name under heaven by which we can be saved?
Peter who was filled with the Holy Ghost!Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,… Acts 4:8
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 12 2013,19:09) And wouldn't we include the person who actually wrote that down for us as “important to our salvation”?
Only because Jesus chose him to bring the message. But the question is could you have been saved apart from Peter? Get the point?Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 12 2013,19:09) Also, is there a scripture where we are ever told to “believe in” the Holy Spirit OF our one and only God – who also happens to be Jesus' one and only God as well?
Is there a scripture that says to believe in the Father to be saved, or that you can be saved apart from the name of Jesus which is the only name under heaven whereby you must be saved, not Peter?So again the questions are…
Can you be saved without the Father?
Can you be saved without the Son?
Can you be saved without the Holy Spirit?
So you see Mike your faith rest upon the fact that you have to have a trinity, The Father, Son and the Holy Ghost! Will you be honest and admit the answer to the above questions are “NO”?
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 14 2013,07:12) Can you be saved without the Father? Can you be saved without the Son?
Can you be saved without the Holy Spirit?
Can you be saved without your parents?We know we are first born of the flesh, then the spirit.
Flesh first spirit second.
It is God who gives us salvation. It is he who sent his son. It is he who sent his spirit. He is the Father.
This has nothing to do with 3 persons in one God. Rather it is God saving us through his son and spirit.
Wake up WJ. You are drunk on babylonian wine. You need to be sober minded in these last days.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 14 2013,06:33) Nevertheless t8 I don't believe I have to have the elect angels to be saved and neither do you, or do you?
Your religion still requires a trinity for your salvation.
We need the Father and if he accept him, then we accept his spirit and son.God sent his son and spirit to us.
God is the Father WJ. If you fight this, then you fight God. He considers this truth above almost all else.
And as for the other Trinity with the elect angels. Well what can I say. That is not a Trinity either. Just as a family with a father, mother and child is not a trinity.
You have trinity on the brain. But that can be cured by having truth in the heart.
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 13 2013,01:41) t8, it's ok that you don't get it, others do, but the insight into the Trinity is not a requirement for salvation….nor is map reading. Colter
I get that the Trinity is a lie. And I get that your Trinity is derived from previous trinities and that it came from Babylon.Show me the Trinity in the Bible.
And if you cannot, then consider coming out of Babylon as we are advised in scripture to do.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 13 2013,11:12) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 12 2013,19:09) And wouldn't we include the person who actually wrote that down for us as “important to our salvation”?
Only because Jesus chose him to bring the message.
You seem to have arrived at my point all by yourself, Keith.What was “the great commission”? Could any of those people have been saved if the disciples didn't go baptizing in the name of Jesus?
So it seems to me that God gave His servant Jesus a commission. And then Jesus his servants the disciples a commission. And then many people were saved by the hand of many people.
Not one thing you have said teaches that we have a Godhead made up of three persons, Keith. Let me know when you ever find a scripture that DOES teach such a thing, okay?
Take a good look at your teaching in picture form WJ.
This is what you labour so hard to produce in others.
The Pharisees also laboured hard to make disciples like them. Jesus spoke out this in not so kind language.
Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 13 2013,21:09) Boditharta. Any religion that is popular is of this world,
for the world loved its own.
True believers are put in a corner,and hated,because they also hated the Lord.
Jesus said: they will hate you, because they hated me.wakeup.
Tht does't make sense because Christianity was made popular by Jesus telling it to be preached everywhere it was so popular they were attacked and became even morepopular until those who used to attack became Christians as well.And religion is never “popular” with worldly people.
And look on this board who is th most persecuted “the muslim”
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2013,11:55) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 13 2013,11:12) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 12 2013,19:09) And wouldn't we include the person who actually wrote that down for us as “important to our salvation”?
Only because Jesus chose him to bring the message.
You seem to have arrived at my point all by yourself, Keith.What was “the great commission”? Could any of those people have been saved if the disciples didn't go baptizing in the name of Jesus?
So it seems to me that God gave His servant Jesus a commission. And then Jesus his servants the disciples a commission. And then many people were saved by the hand of many people.
Not one thing you have said teaches that we have a Godhead made up of three persons, Keith. Let me know when you ever find a scripture that DOES teach such a thing, okay?
Awesome post!Quote (t8 @ Aug. 14 2013,11:49) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 13 2013,01:41) t8, it's ok that you don't get it, others do, but the insight into the Trinity is not a requirement for salvation….nor is map reading. Colter
I get that the Trinity is a lie. And I get that your Trinity is derived from previous trinities and that it came from Babylon.Show me the Trinity in the Bible.
And if you cannot, then consider coming out of Babylon as we are advised in scripture to do.
Maybe one day you will swallow your stubborn unbelief Thomas and God will grant you a vision of the Son of God (who is Lord and God) sitting in his rightful eternal abode. Plural deity is most certainly in Romes current bible.Colter
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